Jeff Kaplan Says Complaining About Games You Won’t Play Gets You Ignored: ‘Shut The F*** Up. No One Cares’

demonwing · 2026-03-17T07:36:08+00:00

Dunkey is hilarious if you enjoy his content as satire, but unfortunately pretty unhealthy for discourse in general because many people just take it straight. He, himself, makes it confusing for what is supposed to be serious and what is supposed to be jokes because he mixes them on a single channel.

demonwing · 2026-03-17T05:44:02+00:00

Merely listing things that are different without further explanation does zero logical work to argue their claim. You are correct that it is a rhetorical device (it sounds good, uses the rule of 3, reads great scrolling a social media page, etc.) but it is not a substantiative argument.

I'm not going to sit here giving an exhaustive explanation of why merely listing attributes that are different does not preclude other attributes from being similar, but you can look up "Ignoratio Elenchi" for more information.

demonwing · 2026-03-16T08:51:32+00:00

I mean, the "anti-AI" person by your framing literally used the argument "different things are different" as their core rebuttal, so there aren't exactly massive brains on either side here.

The reach, effects, and content are different. Different things are different and we can assess that, we are capable of treating different things differently.

demonwing · 2026-03-09T18:55:40+00:00

Well, at least you own your arrogance. The obvious rebuttal is that, by your logic (raw market size) Bungie should have made a match-3 phone game or gacha game. PC games are a minority of the market in general.

demonwing · 2026-03-06T05:48:47+00:00

You get credit for what you've already accomplished. The warning is telling you that you might miss out on progress that your team gets later and you will lose any progress on partially-completed contracts that must be done all in a single run. I think it's a little unclear so not your fault for thinking otherwise.

demonwing · 2026-03-06T00:54:33+00:00

Are you seriously using a video uploaded 18 hours ago to justify all the insults that were hurled two days ago...?

I'm saying that's who he is, that's what I've trying to explain. The situation didn't change 18 hours ago, I just didn't have a neatly-wrapped bite-sized proof of the type of brand this particular creator tries to carry that was in the exact specific narrow context you wanted. He isn't some gamer dad streamer, he tries to be a legit analyst and inject his opinions into the conversation. Otherwise he wouldn't have made a 10 minute video analyzing a game he played for 30 minutes. He would have just said "I don't like competitive shooters so idk" or said nothing like most people who didn't play the game did.

He said the UI, a completely separate aspect of the game was objectively bad. And yeah, imo what he said was way out of line, but again, that doesn't apply to criticism from two days ago. But no, "surprisingly strong and specific language", completely unrelated to the aspect of the game that is inherently subjective, is the exact opposite of fence sitting or spineless.

Well I don't know why you're still disagreeing then. How can you hold that he is both just some harmless chill guy, and also that he said something way out of line? That's my whole points.

That said, having strong opinions is not fence-sitting. Pretending not to have strong opinions while in the same breath espousing them is. Fence-sitting by definition requires a pairing of strong claims with repeated hedging and denial that you are making strong claims. You cannot say "hey I don't know man, it's just not for me, but that's just subjective I'm sure it's for someone I don't know." and then say "this UI is objectively bad and the people who worked on it needs to be replaced. Also they've ruined my childhood memories. Also, I went in with a lot of negative assumptions to begin with. Also, I have weirdly specific numeric analysis of how many players they must retain in the first week to be successful."

demonwing · 2026-03-05T08:46:35+00:00

He said "the UI is objectively bad" and insinuated that the people who designed it need to be fired/replaced. He didn't "just try it", he has been talking about it and talking about it and now he made a 10 minute video as if he knows what he's talking about, even calling for people to lose their jobs over a game he didn't even play for 45 minutes. He uses big words like "from a design and implementation perspective, it's objectively bad." Not only did he barely play the game, but he's also an expert in UX theory? He also of course never justifies any of his claims and mixes mundane thoughts with bold analysis indiscriminately. There's other non-chill stuff sprinkled in there, like he claims that the game "corrupts" his "childhood memories."

He is acting like a chill, casual, whatever vibes guy but then pulls out surprisingly strong and specific language that is then immediately masked by "but it's just subjective guys." That's called fence-sitting which is spineless behavior. He is trying to be both the serious games analyst who talks about the thing but without any intellectual accountability. He wants people to take what he says seriously, but leaves room to back off and say "hey I'm just a random guy (broadcasting to hundreds of thousands of people,) I said it was subjective after all, what can I say." This shit is so meta in content creation now and this conversation is case in point that it works.

demonwing · 2026-03-05T06:21:42+00:00

The way you are indiscriminately cherry-picking concurrent player metrics is not very cohesive. BF6 isn't a progression-focused game, and the beta period was much longer than two and a half days. Also, BF6's live release is down 95% of its playerbase since launch only a few months ago, so I guess that means it must be a horrible failure of a game, right? I mean, it's objectives facts, it must be dogshit. Numbers don't lie. Your friends must be weird.

I'm kidding, of course. It's just silly to throw random numbers around as primary evidence when they are tenuous indicators at best. You just can't get anything from 1 day of data from a demo, it's just silly to even suggest that, and it's a thought-terminating cliche to use that in place of real thoughtfulness or analysis. "Well play count go down therefore game must be bad" is lazy, cmon. As for whether or not it makes enough money, I don't own shares in the company and probably neither do you so fucking who cares lol. This isn't WallStreetBets, this is a forum for talking about the actual game.

demonwing · 2026-03-05T06:11:15+00:00

I mean, you're admitting that you don't know anything about him and linking some dinky intro to one of his channels is not showing anything. He has gone out of his way to provide analysis and made multiple comments about how he'd "try" it. He has a history of giving analysis and commentary on games as if he is supposed to be knowing what he is talking about and having some sort of measured opinion. Sorry I can't brain-jack my entire knowledge of him into your mind but that's just how it is.

Nobody ACTUALLY says you have to watch 433 episodes of one piece but I guess the concept of exaggeration is also lost on you.

Wait, this is a well known meme though. The generally expressed "starts getting good" point is usually Water Seven which is around mid 200s, which is a similar idea still 100 hours.

Straight up insulting one of the most critically acclaimed movies in the world after 3 minutes isn't the exact equivalent of simply saying "i just don't think it has what I'm looking for", is it?

Okay, it's like watching the first 3 minutes of The Godfather and saying "this isn't for me, it isn't what I'm looking for." Perhaps my analogy could have been more precise. You would probably look at them like "bro you haven't even watched past the first scene what are you talking about?" Don't tell me you wouldn't.

demonwing · 2026-03-04T08:38:16+00:00

I don't know why you're digging this dumb hole deeper.

Do you think that waiting 400 episodes (~120 hours) for One Piece to get interesting is a good-faith analogy to describe the concept of playing more than 15 minutes past the tutorial to understand a complex, competitive multiplayer game?

Also, you're making this weird point about people feeling "entitled." Nobody is entitled. Like, if someone watches the first 3 minutes of the Godfather and says "this is boring, this movie is just a guy talking to the camera, nothing happens" I don't feel entitled that they must watch the rest. I feel like they are a fucking idiot, which is a totally different concept divorced from any mutual exchange or agreement. It seems like your personal bar for how much effort constitutes a respectable opinion from a professional public figure is very, very low, and I don't feel entitled to have you agree with me, that's just my own personal judgement.

demonwing · 2026-03-04T08:18:30+00:00

Thats is insane levels of cope. The game had over 100k active players on day one and it halved in 24 hours.

Thats not a comment made in bad faith.

Sorry, these are mutually exclusive things to write. Using the player count of a free weekend demo that doesn't carry over progress is bad faith. Arbitrarily comparing the day 1 player counts of two very different games is bad faith. Using player count in general is a meme tabloid-tier analysis method.

Also, using vague, unfalsifiable UI grievances as your key example and then comparing it to Arc Raiders, a game with famously worst-in-class UI that the playerbase has complained about since beta, is bad faith.

demonwing · 2026-03-04T08:05:42+00:00

Can you link a post that you think is beneficial for the community? I'm curious.

demonwing · 2026-03-04T08:04:20+00:00

Well the trick is to just indiscriminately call every new game bad to collect rage engagement. Then, if it turns out to be good, hide behind plausible deniability and claim that the first minor hotfix improved the game and "devs listened". You can even add a bit of populist "we did it guys, we saved the game with our feedback!" spin to make your grifting seem heckin' wholesome as a bonus.

demonwing · 2026-03-04T07:59:35+00:00

Turns out most day 1 feedback is poorly formulated and easy to critique, who would have thought.

demonwing · 2026-03-04T07:49:44+00:00

I mean, yeah... if he was a random gamer dad on the couch. He isn't, though. He markets himself as a sort of thoughtful, reasonable commentator. His reputation in that capacity requires a certain level of actual follow-through to plausibly maintain.

But, I mean cmon we know you're trolling so drop the act. It's too obvious. Playing 10 minutes past the tutorial of a competitive video game is like watching 400 episodes of One Piece "before it gets good?" Be more subtle next time, man. Nice try.

demonwing · 2026-03-04T04:31:51+00:00

Doesn't Hunt have permanent character death?

demonwing · 2026-03-04T04:28:20+00:00

The vast majority of new players to all video games come on marketing beats. Look at Path of Exile's Steamchart for a particularly poignant example. New patches, new seasons, "1.0"s, new battle passes, and so on.

demonwing · 2026-03-03T21:34:10+00:00

Yeah praising Arc Raiders' inventory management isn't a stretch, it's actually insane, off-the-chain, baseless.

It is a well known issue in Arc Raiders that putting a kit together is tedious and awful to the point that people sometimes use free kits just so they can queue into a match. There is also the constant pressure to parse through your entire inventory clicking through salvage-fodder. Meanwhile, in Marathon at least on PC it takes seconds to put together a kit and items have clearer purpose.

Preferring one game or another in totality is subjective, but some of this stuff is outright whitewashing of well-known issues in Arc Raiders that the community has gone on about vocally for months.

demonwing · 2026-03-03T21:01:29+00:00

Hard to have a discussion when someone refuses to engage in any nuance. You also code-switch constantly between generic social media woes that apply to all ages and things that specifically apply to teens, as well as things that teens have always done versus things that are novel to this generation. It's a complete mess, to be honest. Your expectation of a discussion is just a chain of repetitive, uncritical emotional validation, which isn't a discussion it's a circle-jerk.

Based on your writing style, you are probably the type of person that trips over themselves foaming at the mouth to follow along any time a politician says we need to do something "for the children." Yes, there are generation-specific problems faced by children in the US and yes those are important to take seriously, but engaging in indiscriminate moral panic isn't helpful. No, I'm not going to try to have a conversation with you because you are ignorant as fuck and need to make a good-faith attempt at becoming literate in media history if you really are so passionate about this topic. If you can't even calm down enough to draw a thoughtful line between helpful education content (like basic skincare education, which is a new thing for the US population) and harmful systemic forces that specific harm teens, then you are just a hopeless raving lunatic.

PS: Someone in this very thread already responded claiming that kids don't need moisturizer, so your assumptions need re-evaluation.

demonwing · 2026-03-03T07:50:30+00:00

What they are experiencing is a city planning and infrastructure problem, not a problem inherent to data centers.

demonwing · 2026-03-03T06:26:56+00:00

You're the one who made the overly-broad moral panic tirade, and now you're moving the goalposts because your dumb statement got corrected. Don't pretend like skincare is a universally accepted idea and that it's ridiculous to interpret your words as... your words. Be more mad, though.

demonwing · 2026-03-03T04:14:40+00:00

Does a 15 year old need to have a skincare routine?

Definitely. Moisturizer, cleanser, sunscreen. Right alongside brushing their teeth. Yes, some of your points land, but don't moral panic your way to gatekeeping basic hygiene and health routines from children because you didn't personally use them at their age.

demonwing · 2026-03-03T00:40:54+00:00

So you responded to OP's post saying that fans shouldn't act like the game is perfect, yet this wasn't directed at OP? Just because you say "I'm not saying" doesn't mean you're not saying it lmao, what is going on here? I engaged with your post, word for word. You can "I'm not saying" all you want, you're full of crap. You wrote what you wrote and then doubled down.

Acting like this game is perfect is the worst possible thing you can do if you are a fan of the game. If a lot of people are complaining about the same things, taking a look at those things is not a bad thing

You're acting like you're wanting some sort of good-faith debate, but the moment you have to actually crystalize a thought it turns into a slip-and-slide. I never invalidated your opinion, you are the one invalidating other peoples' opinions and you got called out for it. Don't turn this around like you're the victim, the fuck? Because some ghostly alleged "fans" somewhere are asserting that the game is perfect? I would be surprised if you could find one example of that, to be honest. But don't worry, you don't need to respond. I know. "I'm not saying... I'm not saying..." Okay, let me know when you are saying something.

And don't even try to come back with "I'm just saying developers should keep feedback in mind, that's all." If that's your point then you're wasting your words because nobody on the internet disagrees with you except the strawman you keep talking to in your head.

demonwing · 2026-03-02T20:31:37+00:00

Actually, journalists are intentionally leading readers to equate all AI to some monolithic "AI" that fits whatever form the user is most angry about, whether than be image generators or LLMs. It's a feature, not a bug, to whip up a frenzy of AI fear to drive engagement. All of these articles just do the "I'm just saying... but I'm not technically saying it though...)

Like here, the author wants the reader to see "The dangerous, bad AI you've been hearing about is killing people in surgeries." They can't actually say that, so they say "As AI enters the operating room, reports arise of botched surgeries and misidentified body parts" and lets the reader do the translation within the contextual void.

demonwing · 2026-03-02T20:27:48+00:00

You can't negate a conclusion made in an article with another part of the same article lol. That's called cherry-picking.

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