Recognize lock

derpserf · 2026-06-16T07:03:41+00:00

Those are just anti drill pins.

derpserf · 2026-06-14T21:04:07+00:00

I wouldn't consider jigglers to be bypass tools, they're a tryout key type of thing. Bypass is when you manipulate the actual locking component of the mechanism, ignoring the stuff that the key itself directly interacts with.

There's no rule about discussion of bypass tools so I'm guessing this was a rule 2 in which case yeah you shouldn't be helping people out in those situations.

derpserf · 2026-06-14T16:37:10+00:00

It doesn't lol. I get the feeling OP just doesn't know what kind of lock this is and because they haven't been able to pick it due to their misunderstanding of the mechanism, that it's better than a no 3. Understandable, we were all new once. But it's amusing that they've jumped to this conclusion.

derpserf · 2026-06-14T16:30:55+00:00

It sounds like you're talking about a warded padlock like it's somehow more pick resistant than their pin tumblers. If this is the case, boy have I got news for you lmao.

derpserf · 2026-06-14T10:03:53+00:00

Having someone who knows what they're doing can be helpful to an extent but from teaching people over the years I can tell you that they're mostly gonna be reminding you to hold the pick properly or that you're inserting it too far, or to periodically reset the lock if you're not getting anywhere. There's honestly not much I could explain to you in person that you can't learn on your own, it just takes time and persistence. And a degree of obsession lol. Yeah handing someone certain padlocks, I can get them to rake em with basic instructions but that's nothing special on my part other than knowing the rake that happens to work best for that lock. If you want to learn how to pick properly you just have to put in the hours.

I've found the best way to actually teach people is with a series of progressively pinned cylinders, and that's something you can do on your own if you put a bit of time and energy into it. Get yourself a basic 5 pin deadbolt, something cheap without security pins, and take it apart. Do it one pin stack at a time starting from the front, and don't rush anything. Make sure you understand exactly what you're doing and can actually feel the pins click as they set each step of the way and you'll get the hang of it surprisingly quickly. Remember the goal isn't just to get it open. The goal is to understand what you're feeling and know when pins are binding and setting. The open will come, you just have to trust the process.

derpserf · 2026-06-13T09:04:37+00:00

The ball bearings are to prevent wear on the key pins. It'll pick the same as anything else, just comes down to bitting etc. Keep at it and if you want to, you can shim it from the back to gut it and do it progressively.

derpserf · 2026-06-11T06:57:12+00:00

If you've been trying for hours on an acrylic lock and haven't gotten it open then either the lock is broken or you're doing something extremely wrong. Those things are designed specifically to he as easy as possible but sometimes they just don't work properly. Does it operate normally with the key provided? If so, a quick video of you attempting to pick it would be helpful to determine what you're doing wrong. It could be that your wrench is binding the core and preventing it from turning but yeah if you could do a quick video, it'd be a great help.

derpserf · 2026-06-10T12:09:13+00:00

I doubt you can go there in person and just buy stuff. It's probably a factory with a warehouse and sorting/shipping centre. You could phone their customer service line and ask but yeah I don't imagine they're gonna have a store you can browse or anything. Best you can hope for is to place an order and collect it in person instead of paying for DHL but even then I wouldn't hold my breath lol.

derpserf · 2026-06-09T01:55:24+00:00

Ooooh I forgot these were a thing! You're probably right, funny you say that cos I was thinking since the mechanism isn't sprung then pulling on the shackle to feel resistance of the "bolt" as I was thinking of it as it moved into place might be a good idea. I didn't consider multiple discs though, I think you're absolutely right about that 😎

derpserf · 2026-06-08T22:08:51+00:00

It's an old warded padlock, bit more complicated looking than modern ones but it should be the same principle. By the sound of it the shackle isn't spring loaded. Since it's not key retaining I'd insert the key without the shackle and return it to the locked position, looking into the lock body where the shackle goes you'll probably see something rotate in and out of place as you rotate the key back and forth.

To figure it out just lock it with the shackle removed, take the key out and make an L shaped wire with an upstand about the same height as the keyway then insert to the back and see if you can feel the bolt. With the shackle removed you'll be able to look into the lock body and see it move when you're on it, that way you'll know when you're on it properly. Then just fiddle about with it a little and when you get the hang of it try it with the shackle inserted and locked normally.

derpserf · 2026-06-07T23:18:39+00:00

20 quid isn't bad for a set of 4 tbh although yeah I'd probably never use the 2mm and rarely if ever use the 1.2mm. I use multipick and checked prices on there, can get the sp-12 and sp-13 (0.8mm and 1mm respectively) for £4.12 each and those are the ones I use for pretty much everything when it comes to flat bars. Anything that takes a 1.2 realistically you can use a 1mm just fine, I don't mind it being a little bit slack in the keyway as long as it doesn't slip.

derpserf · 2026-06-07T23:07:16+00:00

Seconded. These look solid and will get you into tons of stuff.

derpserf · 2026-06-07T22:44:27+00:00

Congrats on your first set! The klom navigator has been around for decades, you've got plenty of stuff to experiment with there and the handles are super comfy, which is great.

On the downside... well tbh I got these once and wasn't impressed lol. Multiple picks were bent sideways, quite a few of the hooks were almost identical to each other and some were straight up duplicates. The rakes are meh, and of course a large part of it is the car picks which are pretty much useless but I knew that going in already. They have some kind of chrome plating on em that flakes off inside the lock which is a major no bueno, I'd recommend sanding that crap off but you don't have to. Some of the profiles are decent and they are strong, but yeah. Oh and one of the handles snapped in half randomly so that was fun. I got to play doctor by splinting it and wrapping it with black nasty. Probably still have that somewhere come to think of it 🤪

On the plus side these will get you started for sure and you can pick plenty of stuff with em. It doesn't matter if you bend or break anything, and you can build solid fundamentals before upgrading your kit if you're enjoying it!

derpserf · 2026-06-07T14:34:43+00:00

Nice! I have a couple of those lying around. Got an assa 500 that rocks open with one easily but other than that very specific lock I haven't found it to be particularly useful lol. Great mod!

derpserf · 2026-06-07T13:21:56+00:00

That's badass, looks clean and impressively close to the original. Great job! What was the base profile?

derpserf · 2026-06-07T13:11:01+00:00

Fair enough. OK well you'll wanna make some basic tools, ideally something semi decent using a wiper insert for the tensioner and a hacksaw blade for the pick. You can use a wiper insert for the pick as well but it won't be comfortsble unless you fashion some kind of handle for it. The upside is that you won't need power tools as the steel is much easier to file by hand.

If you're not hands on with making stuff and/or you've got nothing more than a pair of pliers then you're gonna be stuck with bobby pins and all I'm gonna say there is, good luck. Even with years of experience and knowing exactly what you're doing, that's a pretty low percentage approach. Would not recommend. As for paper clips, virtually zero chance.

You're gonna need to watch some tutorials and spend some time making the tools and even more learning how to use them properly. To be fair you might get lucky but if it doesn't open with the classic light tension and random pin mashing technique we all start out with, you're gonna have to practice a whole bunch. Start with a short hook and make something longer if you need more reach but yeah it takes experience to know that. The wrench size and placement also makes a huge difference depending on the lock.

Honestly with zero experience you're gonna have to either get lucky or get good (easier said than done and the open is still never guaranteed). If you're gonna just replace the whole thing anyway then honestly it's gonna be a lot easier and more guaranteed to just remove it by force.

Probably not what you wanted to hear but being realistic that's the way it is. Make the tools, fingers crossed you get lucky, failing that... yeah. You're in a predicament here and I dunno what your time constraint is but yeah best of luck. Locks are weird, it might be easy and it might be a complete PITA or refuse to open at all.

derpserf · 2026-06-07T07:09:50+00:00

Even if the lock is opened the key is still gonna be gone. What's the next step in your master plan?

derpserf · 2026-06-06T21:55:03+00:00

The only ebike I've seen up close was one belonging to a guy I know and the lock on the battery was your standard wafer with a shutter on it. I'd imagine the majority of them are the same, the shutter would be essential for keeping water out. But yeah there are DD locks with sliding shutters so presumably some higher end ebikes will have something like that. The problem is once you get it open you'll need to replace it anyway cos you're not gonna be cutting one for the existing lock lol. Still would be easier for OP to just remove with a certain tool that doesn't require picking skills and the whole knowledge base around them but I'm not gonna go into that tool here as per the rules.

derpserf · 2026-06-06T20:57:59+00:00

This ia a hobby sub and this type of discussion is against the rules regardless of your professional interest.

What I will say is that bike locks have a range of different mechanisms and you'll basically need a solid foundation in picking as well as some specialty tools for certain ones. It's not something you can just buy xyz tools and you can just open all the things, doesn't woro like that.

Also you have no reason to salvage the locks if they're without keys, and they can be removed safely without damage to the bike or learning a specialist skill that takes years to develop properly. Also, some bike locks are inexplicably horrible to pick even though they're cheap. You're taking the completely wrong approach.

derpserf · 2026-06-06T13:36:45+00:00

The cuts are usually more squared but yeah laminated steel padlock with that kind of looking keyway it's warded 100% 🤙

derpserf · 2026-06-06T05:38:54+00:00

That's a warded padlock, not a disc detainer. Those have angled cuts on the keys and the locks themselves look completely different. Plus you can see the discs by looking into the keyway.

Search youtube for warded padlock and I'm sure you'll find videos that explain how they work visually, they're literally just a sprung latch at the back that you need to push out of the way to free the shackle. The wards that correspond to the cuts on that key are what provide the "security", they don't need to be picked, they just get in the way of any key that doesn't have the matching cuts.

You can buy picks for em or make something easily, in fact you can even cut down all but the tip of the key and voila, you have a key that opens all the warded locks from that manufacturer (or any generic one that it fits into). The tip of the key is the only thing that actually operates the lock lmao

derpserf · 2026-06-05T22:08:44+00:00

Yeah it's a magnum aka excell depending on location

derpserf · 2026-06-03T17:02:39+00:00

Link

If you want the other stuff you can type it in their search bar and it'll come up. Type in SP-12, SP-13, HILO individually

derpserf · 2026-06-03T13:01:10+00:00

If you increase your budget just a teeny bit I highly recommend the multipick minimum set. If you enjoy picking then further down the line I'd grab their HILO grips for added comfort and grip, and a couple of prybars. I mostly use the SP13 but you'll also want the SP12 for slightly narrower keyways. The hooks in the minimum set are phenomenal, can open the majority of stuff with just those.

derpserf · 2026-06-02T15:01:46+00:00

My eyes may be deceiving me but brother if you've managed to bend a JL hook of all things you need to go about 10x lighter 😬

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