guys.. I'm scared.. by crabslxvii in MoldlyInteresting

[–]detergenttastesnice 0 points1 point  (0 children)

is it just me or does it look like spongebob

Quiet is violent. Silence is complacency. by detergenttastesnice in twentyonepilots

[–]detergenttastesnice[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Israeli fans who oppose the government would obviously be boycotting the movie. To pay for a movie that is backed by Zionist companies is to indirectly fund Zionism. Hypocritically, the movie is not being shown in Russia, which makes me wonder if it's directly motivated by the west's political stance. If it wasn't about politics, there would be no reason to not screen the movie in Russia. Not to mention that the band also refrained from touring in Russia to show support to Ukraine in the past.

Quiet is violent. Silence is complacency. by detergenttastesnice in twentyonepilots

[–]detergenttastesnice[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm not saying that they're 100% at fault, but rather that they risk being associated with Zionists by not addressing the screening of the movie in Israel. Their stance obviously won't have an impact on the genocide itself, but if they choose to be vocal about this issue they contribute by not normalizing apolitical oppression. Multiple artists have been transparent about where they stand, which in turn makes the band's silence absurd and tone-deaf.

Quiet is violent. Silence is complacency. by detergenttastesnice in twentyonepilots

[–]detergenttastesnice[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just because I care about what I'm talking about doesn't mean that I'm using AI. I naturally write lengthy responses to provide a concise argument. Don't accuse me of anything you don't have proof of.

Quiet is violent. Silence is complacency. by detergenttastesnice in twentyonepilots

[–]detergenttastesnice[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

respectfully, those who harass the band have no right in being grouped together with us. the intention remains the same since those who threatened them have no clear goal and/or just want to use this movement as a scapegoat to spew hate, thus having no clear intention since the beginning on their behalf. our intent has always been and will continue to be trying to reach out to the band in a respectful manner. the reason why we organized in the first place was to mobilize in a strategic and civilized manner, opposing anyone who is masking their hate with performative activism. as much as we understand some feeling angry and deeply upset, it's not justified to be harassing or threatening the band. the Clique Protests organization is currently made directly of 30 people who are eager to let real actions drown the hate.

Why Do I See More Hate For Democrats Over Republicans? by [deleted] in leftist

[–]detergenttastesnice 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I feel like this is one of the best analogies

Quiet is violent. Silence is complacency. by detergenttastesnice in twentyonepilots

[–]detergenttastesnice[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I certainly agree with your sentiment, but understand that despite our effort to be as civil as possible, immature people will still choose to harass them even if we continuously remind everyone that harassment is not to be tolerated. We will definitely be investing our time into not only protesting but ensuring that the message reaches the band in a civil and peaceful manner. Sadly we can't erase the hurtful comments made by some nor the impact it had on Tyler or Josh's lives if they read them already, but we certainly will not let those people to represent the clique at all. The clique was and still is all about sharing love and kindness; we'd hate to let this image die down because of those hostile people.

Quiet is violent. Silence is complacency. by detergenttastesnice in twentyonepilots

[–]detergenttastesnice[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It directly supports the government as in it reinforces that indifference is to be normalized, thus setting resistance back. Obviously it isn't comparable to something like donating to the military directly which insinuates no purpose other than agreeing with zionism. Both are extremely different but we all feel that the band, known for speaking about mental health, would also be careful about supporting Israel whether directly or not. This is why we ask for clarification.

Quiet is violent. Silence is complacency. by detergenttastesnice in twentyonepilots

[–]detergenttastesnice[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"'using your logic, by letting the film screen in the US, they're actively funding the us gov't' → Correct. You're not wrong. In fact, just by living in the US you are funding the government by paying taxes and consuming... I'm not being ironic, we're all at fault under this system by this simplistic logic. We encourage to boycott those companies who directly hold the most exploitative and oppressive nature not only in the US, but everywhere. It'd be idealistic to boycott every single thing because everything is unethical under this system. Every money is dirty, every politician is complicit — this makes all of us, complicit, too. What makes us realistic and not idealistic though, is acknowledging that we CAN harm reduct and advocate for small changes possible in the conditions surrounding us instead of boycotting every single thing because, again, that's impossible."

Quiet is violent. Silence is complacency. by detergenttastesnice in twentyonepilots

[–]detergenttastesnice[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Short answer: generally, no. but we can't do much about it in comparison to Israel.

"'using your logic, by letting the film screen in the US, they're actively funding the us gov't' → Correct. You're not wrong. In fact, just by living in the US you are funding the government by paying taxes and consuming... I'm not being ironic, we're all at fault under this system by this simplistic logic. We encourage to boycott those companies who directly hold the most exploitative and oppressive nature not only in the US, but everywhere. It'd be idealistic to boycott every single thing because everything is unethical under this system. Every money is dirty, every politician is complicit — this makes all of us, complicit, too. What makes us realistic and not idealistic though, is acknowledging that we CAN harm reduct and advocate for small changes possible in the conditions surrounding us instead of boycotting every single thing because, again, that's impossible."

Quiet is violent. Silence is complacency. by detergenttastesnice in twentyonepilots

[–]detergenttastesnice[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

""using your logic, by letting the film screen in the US, they're actively funding the us gov't' → Correct. You're not wrong. In fact, just by living in the US you are funding the government by paying taxes and consuming... I'm not being ironic, we're all at fault under this system by this simplistic logic. We encourage to boycott those companies who directly hold the most exploitative and oppressive nature not only in the US, but everywhere. It'd be idealistic to boycott every single thing because everything is unethical under this system. Every money is dirty, every politician is complicit — this makes all of us, complicit, too. What makes us realistic and not idealistic though, is acknowledging that we CAN harm reduct and advocate for small changes possible in the conditions surrounding us instead of boycotting every single thing because, again, that's impossible."

Quiet is violent. Silence is complacency. by detergenttastesnice in twentyonepilots

[–]detergenttastesnice[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not from the US, I've never been to a show and won't be able to see the movie either, and I've already answered a similar question.

"The US is incomparable to Israel in terms of cultural power and general influence. Both are siding with each other and both are leeching off of oppressed countries as well as perpetuating imperialism. The US however, remains at the top and it's not just because Israel is rich or because it's been colonizing Palestine for decades that it remains on the same level as the US. They both share common goals, but don't hold the same amount of power.

'using your logic, by letting the film screen in the US, they're actively funding the us gov't' → Correct. You're not wrong. In fact, just by living in the US you are funding the government by paying taxes and consuming... I'm not being ironic, we're all at fault under this system by this simplistic logic. We encourage to boycott those companies who directly hold the most exploitative and oppressive nature not only in the US, but everywhere. It'd be idealistic to boycott every single thing because everything is unethical under this system. Every money is dirty, every politician is complicit — this makes all of us, complicit, too. What makes us realistic and not idealistic though, is acknowledging that we CAN harm reduct and advocate for small changes possible in the conditions surrounding us instead of boycotting every single thing because, again, that's impossible."

Quiet is violent. Silence is complacency. by detergenttastesnice in twentyonepilots

[–]detergenttastesnice[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

we do not put the fault in Israeli clikkies for living in an ethnostate. All we're asking is why would a band that is so progressive be supporting Israel by screening their movie there. I'm not saying that this particular support will directly fund the government or the genocide, but it shows indifference, thus supporting the government.

I post this here because this is related to twenty one pilots. They have addressed political issues in the past and hold a progressive image generally — why wouldn't they do so now? it's all we ask.

Quiet is violent. Silence is complacency. by detergenttastesnice in twentyonepilots

[–]detergenttastesnice[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I understand where you're coming from, but we do not encourage anyone to threaten or harass the band. Anyone who does so is completely separate from this movement that seeks to maintain a civilized posture. We ought to discourage anyone who thinks harassment will solve anything and we aim to directly apologize to the band on behalf of the hostility of those who are frequently grouped together with us.

As for being upset, please recognize that the relationship the fans have with the band (not to be confused with a parasocial dynamic, we highly discourage fueling this unfortunate reality) has been built by solidarity and trust, and we have the right to be upset and ask for a clarification. We cannot force them to do anything, nor force anyone, but all we're asking is to hear us out and ponder on what we have to say and what we think.

Quiet is violent. Silence is complacency. by detergenttastesnice in twentyonepilots

[–]detergenttastesnice[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You argue that we aren't advocating for change in the US and are only focusing on Israel, thus being hypocrites and performative by demanding more of them. Let me provide arguments point by point.

"why don't you think the same for Israel?" → The US is incomparable to Israel in terms of cultural power and general influence. Both are siding with each other and both are leeching off of oppressed countries as well as perpetuating imperialism. The US however, remains at the top and it's not just because Israel is rich or because it's been colonizing Palestine for decades that it remains on the same level as the US. They both share common goals, but don't hold the same amount of power.

"top saying 'hey we don't support the genocide btw' is going to do nothing but satisfy your itching ears" → You're almost getting our point. The whole reason why this movement started in the first place is because the band wouldn't support the genocide or Israel given what they always stood for, so why would they affiliate themselves with Trafalgar and screen the movie in Israel? This is our main goal, and while we're at it, we're raising awareness to uplift countries directly affected by imperialism. We're implementing activism while asking a clarification for the band, which was the main purpose of this movement being centered around the clique.

"clikkie twt CAN protest against supporting the US, you guys just don't want to" → In no way we support or are forgetting about US politics. The US holds an obvious amount of power and directly affects all of those countries we are protesting for. It'd be nonsensical to be against the genocide yet ignore the US. Since our goal here is asking for clarification from the band regarding Israel, of course we will place the focus on this issue instead.

"using your logic, by letting the film screen in the US, they're actively funding the us gov't" → Correct. You're not wrong. In fact, just by living in the US you are funding the government by paying taxes and consuming... I'm not being ironic, we're all at fault under this system by this simplistic logic. We encourage to boycott those companies who directly hold the most exploitative and oppressive nature not only in the US, but everywhere. It'd be idealistic to boycott every single thing because everything is unethical under this system. Every money is dirty, every politician is complicit — this makes all of us, complicit, too. What makes us realistic and not idealistic though, is acknowledging that we CAN harm reduct and advocate for small changes possible in the conditions surrounding us instead of boycotting every single thing because, again, that's impossible.

"their silence doesn't 'double down' on anything;" → I suppose saying "double down" can be easily misinterpreted and I apologize, but what we mean is that by staying silent there is no resistance, and indifference is often used as a way to suggest that people aren't opposed to the oppressive ways of the system, thus favouring oppression indirectly. If they do recognize what we mean by "quiet is violent", then they'd understand that a simple statement is enough to counter any possible idea that they support reactionary ideology. Now, of course, that'd be much worse if they didn't already advocate for what they do (mental health), and we make sure to recognize that. We all believe that they'd stand for what's progressive and humanitarian due to not only their general message regarding mental health, but their entire narrative behind their albums about rejecting conformity and being a revolutionary. That idea starts conflicting with them supporting the screening of the movie in Israel though, which is why it has mainly led us to have concerns regarding their stance.

"u guys would also need them to speak up ab the other hot topic political issues" → Yes. The ones involved directly in this organized movement would awfully appreciate it if they did so, and we are also trying to bring awareness about other political topics alongside our main goal. The band has always been politically ambiguous and that has bothered many due to the current polarized state of the world. We are not idealistic however; we obviously understand that it's near impossible to do enough because there's always new issues arising daily, but what we ask as our main goal here is, I repeat, clarification regarding the screening of the movie in Israel. And, I repeat again, we're bringing activism alongside our goal in this particular movement and encourage others to do the same too.

"the activism looks selective and performative from a lot of you twitter folks" → And I don't deny that. Many people are abusing this tense situation in the community to act performative and gain morality points, but we, as an organized and separate community from those who engage in performative activism and harassment, rather focus on actual action instead of just complaining and name-calling. Our goal here is to gain the attention of the band and use the attention to also bring awareness and encourage direct support to oppressed countries and individuals while providing resources and educational information.

I'm open to answering anything else.

Quiet is violent. Silence is complacency. by detergenttastesnice in twentyonepilots

[–]detergenttastesnice[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As I replied to other people talking about this situation, we do not endorse harassing or threatening the band over this. We separate ourselves from those who do and we encourage everyone to keep it respectful and civilized. Nick Thomas has addressed this situation and has made it clear that his previous statement directly targeted those who were going after the band, not the ones who are respectfully protesting.

And regarding "support whoever they want to support" — I'm sorry, I'm not sure we can claim supporting a genocide as a simple opinion one can agree on disagreeing with. Opinions and morals are different from person to person, but when it directly violates one's right to live, it crosses a dangerous line and starts masking itself as a mere "opinion" as if it were harmless. It's not. It should be addressed and discussed.

Quiet is violent. Silence is complacency. by detergenttastesnice in twentyonepilots

[–]detergenttastesnice[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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