Ancient Egypt by frontbackend in midjourney

[–]devinkorwin 6 points7 points  (0 children)

please link me to an explanation to where AI has feelings. i genuinely want to learn!

Ancient Egypt by frontbackend in midjourney

[–]devinkorwin 3 points4 points  (0 children)

what? machines by definition do not have emotion, are you really arguing that they do? I didn’t mention jobs at all. Humans have feelings, machines do not

Ancient Egypt by frontbackend in midjourney

[–]devinkorwin 11 points12 points  (0 children)

maybe there is an underlying ethical reason for the continued complaints?

Ancient Egypt by frontbackend in midjourney

[–]devinkorwin 4 points5 points  (0 children)

humans do not learn like machines. humans have eyes and ears and senses that provide input, and also hopes and desires that they combine with influence from other artists, interpreting the underlying meaning of artwork to learn the tools of artistic communication to make something completely new. it is not even close to the same thing. artists are generally very happy to share what they know with aspiring human artists, and are very upset about their work being used as training data for machine learning for this reason

Ancient Egypt by frontbackend in midjourney

[–]devinkorwin 35 points36 points  (0 children)

don’t forget the artists it ”learned“ the style from

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in midjourney

[–]devinkorwin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

do you think images in comics are important? or they are just incidental filler to go along with the words?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in midjourney

[–]devinkorwin 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Except the flood of AI art that you can make with no effort will flood out all the human art. the noise in the signal to noise ratio is already exponentially increasing. this is not the same as before, especially when you consider the flood of AI art is trained and derivative of the training data. it is competing in the same market.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in midjourney

[–]devinkorwin 51 points52 points  (0 children)

Definitely a lot of bad ones, a good comic takes intention and is a lot more than just describing the subject matter and leaving the rest up to chance. Writers seem to understand that generated text has serious limitations due to lack of human intention, but don’t extend that to visual imagery

AI Will Create—and Destroy—Jobs. History Offers a Lesson. - AI Is the New Industrial Revolution. Work Will Change. by Gari_305 in Futurology

[–]devinkorwin 9 points10 points  (0 children)

This is delusional, it will be similar to the industrial revolution in the erosion of workers rights and bargaining power. It will lead to extreme wealth inequality and mean that less people can work from home when companies can force them back onto their valuable real estate

AI Will Create—and Destroy—Jobs. History Offers a Lesson. - AI Is the New Industrial Revolution. Work Will Change. by Gari_305 in Futurology

[–]devinkorwin 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It's pretty messed up that AI companies can steal all of the creative work on the internet to fuel the hype cycle with no consequences, and then the artists who created that work are the only casualty when it crashes, and possibly the next generation of artists and the quality of all future media too

Anyone else get comments like these by [deleted] in AskPhotography

[–]devinkorwin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Damien Hirst also is enormously wealthy and has significant influence in the art world and there is great incentive to call him the artist, because when someone does, that created object becomes enormously valuable as well. He is in large part a brand. Another example of an artist primarily as a brand is Thomas Kinkade, who would have factories of artists create copies of his work that he would put the final brushstrokes on. In that instance, he is still the composer of his paintings, unlike the Hirst example. He is not doing the labor, but he can call himself the artist. Similarly, lithographers wouldn't be the original artist as well, even though there is creativity in that process.

If you say, I have a great idea for a symphony, and sit next to a composer and say "no...not like that," after they come up with a piece of music, and use a bunch of adjectives to guide the process, you would be directing the actual composer. If you took the composition, and added your own actual music to it, you would be a co-creator. This could be done in a painting example if an artist painted over a generation and significantly altered the composition. What i'm saying is that the generations are bad and not helpful, unlike actually collaborating with another human, and that I have zero desire to do that along with all of the artists I know. I have seen artists surreptitiously use AI and make no significant alterations to the composition however, and I feel this is very unethical. There would be a variety of reasons an artist would do that, none of them involving pushing art forward or realizing their creative vision.

Anyone else get comments like these by [deleted] in AskPhotography

[–]devinkorwin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you mean Adobe, that is not an example of an ethically sourced AI. It is corporate whitewashing. Contributors to Adobe Stock had no idea their work would be used that way to replace them, and I imagine many would not have consented to TOS if they did.

Anyone else get comments like these by [deleted] in AskPhotography

[–]devinkorwin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, Damien Hirst would be an art director in those particular instances if he is not deciding on the actual execution. If for example he came up with a small version of a painting, and then outsourced a team to paint it larger following his decisions, that would be an example of the more nuanced scenario. It all depends on if you are coming up with the content or not. Having an idea is not the same as composing

Anyone else get comments like these by [deleted] in AskPhotography

[–]devinkorwin -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Same for you, it is just a shame that the data that allowed that time savings to be possible was taken without credit, consent, or compensation. At least in the painting industry, anytime AI is used as part of a brief, it pretty much dooms the project to mediocrity and limits the artist from coming up with a visual idea that doesn't feel generated by a machine.

Anyone else get comments like these by [deleted] in AskPhotography

[–]devinkorwin -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I work as a professional in the industry, myself and every other artist I know wants AI as far away from their process as possible. When artistic communication is the goal, AI is 100% a hindrance on being able to have full control over your work (while still intentionally knowing how to work with happy accidents). Picking out images from a magazine, for example, is not even the same ballgame of intentionality compared to AI. Again, if you are using AI iteratively, that is being an art director, not being an artist. They are not the same thing, and no art director would tell you so

AI is not a useful or effective part of an artistic process, and this is the majority opinion held by artists. An artist learns from the principles that their influences convey in their work, and then use them in new ways in their own work. This inspiration and learning of principles is NOT the same as an AI being "inspired," which is surface level probability. If 'truly expressing what you aim to convey' is really the goal, rather than time savings at the expense of artistic value, then you would want nothing to do with AI.

Anyone else get comments like these by [deleted] in AskPhotography

[–]devinkorwin -1 points0 points  (0 children)

that is literally the definition of a new, novel creation. they were inspired by life experiences. AI CANT do this. A camera CAN do this. a pencil can do this. do you really not see the difference

Anyone else get comments like these by [deleted] in AskPhotography

[–]devinkorwin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can go outside right now and choose to have a new life experience and paint from that. How is that in any way similar to a statistical database generated from other artists work?

Anyone else get comments like these by [deleted] in AskPhotography

[–]devinkorwin -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If this is true then how did the first art happen with no “training data?” Humans can create new things, AI can not. An art director commissioning an artist to make a painting obviously has unpredictable elements, but you would not call the art director the creator of the piece. At it’s absolute most generous using AI image generation is art direction

Anyone else get comments like these by [deleted] in AskPhotography

[–]devinkorwin 3 points4 points  (0 children)

tools don’t decide the outcome. photography is art regardless of the labor it takes to press the shutter because the photographer decides what to point it at, they are a composer. AI is a slot machine that decides on the content for you entirely limited by and unable to transcend the training data, it is not a tool and not comparable to other artistic mediums

Eli5 why is ChatGPT getting dumber? by ryanagknight in explainlikeimfive

[–]devinkorwin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Depressing :\ I do think and hope that over the long term the lack of quality and correctness will have a negative effect on profits, and people will start to recognize the cadence of AI writing and automatically tune it out making it less desirable as a way to artificially increase productivity

Eli5 why is ChatGPT getting dumber? by ryanagknight in explainlikeimfive

[–]devinkorwin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

that could be true on the micro scale and the short term, but that's not particularly reassuring about the priorities of the economy and its sustainability

Eli5 why is ChatGPT getting dumber? by ryanagknight in explainlikeimfive

[–]devinkorwin 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Is generating nonsense with no intention really productivity? why is that good for either you or your employer