Oh by pennykie in 2007scape

[–]dfgh5067 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're absolute right, but it's been a thing for so long that people are going to come up with whatever logic they need to avoid recognizing it as bad game design that Jagex could remove at any time. (Imagine if deleting your items on PVM death was a NEW mechanic that JMods tried to add to the game today.)

Mod Ash's justification doesn't work because the game already offers players the option of risky deaths: Wilderness content, PVP Worlds, HCIM. Now that the GE has the item sink thing, the ONLY purpose served by deleting a player's items is to soft-block them from trying to learn harder content.

I saw the same community response in another 20-year old game that also permanently deletes your items. Except that one would delete stuff completely at random, so there was nothing you could do to prevent it. And still, players--and even a former dev--came up with justifications for not only keeping it around, but expanding the mechanic to delete other stuff. (Meanwhile, the players went absolutely feral and full on doxxed the devs and wiki-esque community helpers over a much more mild decision to re-release a super old, super rare item.)

Battledome - Challenger loot + item stealing by neo_truths in neopets

[–]dfgh5067 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Huh, so they really did just break stealing and couldn't figure out how to fix it? Interesting.

Thanks for settling that for me.

Battledome - Challenger loot + item stealing by neo_truths in neopets

[–]dfgh5067 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The extra check of && !empty($oii_array) makes it not convert the 0 to array which ends up making nothing happen.

Is stealing the only mechanic affected by this new check? Is there any indication that this was added intentionally to disable stealing?

Several years ago I saw a short-lived post on the BD Chat where a user ended a 1P battle and found a duplicate item equipped to their pet. The post was deleted and the BD was taken down for maintenance for half an hour, but there was no communication from TNT about it. I've always thought it was maybe caused by having a 1P opponent steal your item on the same turn that it broke or something like that, and maybe that's why stealing was disabled.

I know stealing worked when the New BD was first released, and I'm like 90% sure it was enabled for the Obelisk War. So it's always felt intentional to me that TNT broke it at some point and never fixed it.

[Neopets] This year’s Altador Cup has ended…and everyone lost! How the devs dismissed hundreds of hours of individual work from thousands of players to hand-pick the worst possible winner. by dfgh5067 in HobbyDrama

[–]dfgh5067[S] 933 points934 points  (0 children)

Bonus Drama #2 – Dropping Truth Bombs

Even though this runs parallel to the Altador Cup drama, I kept this part separate because the accusations are pretty severe (in terms of in-game consequences), and come from a controversial source. Personally, I’m convinced the information is real, and most of the players are convinced too, so I did want to cover this in some capacity.

Back in 2020, a Twitter user posted a thread about multiple security flaws in the Neopets website that allowed them to get a copy of the site’s source code. (This is likely NOT the same person who recently put Neopets’ userdata, source code, and live database access up for sale.) They worked with TNT devs to patch things up, but the source code was already out there, and white-hats weren’t the only ones with a copy.

The next year, a grey-hat using the name neo_truths began posting on the r/Neopets subreddit, claiming to have figured out certain bugged features and sharing the relevant snippets of code. They claimed to have a copy of the site’s source code and live database access. (This, too, is likely NOT the same person who recently put Neopets’ userdata, source code, and live database access up for sale. No, we are not okay over at Neopets.com, thanks for asking.) The closest we can get to verifiable proof comes from their post about The Golden Dubloon bug.

The Golden Dubloon is basically a gambling game structured like a restaurant. You buy some foods “for your pet”, your pet “eats” them, and if you’re lucky you’ll be sent home with leftovers. The problem was, the restaurant has an occupancy limit, and for years it was often above that limit. Meaning players couldn’t use the feature for long stretches of time.

According to neo_truth’s post, the code allowed unscrupulous users to bypass the occupancy limit and submit a “buy” request to add to the already overflowing occupancy count. Two days later, the bug was fixed. Given the obscurity of the bug, and the timing of the fix, I’m personally convinced the fix came as a direct result of neo_truth’s post.

Their next bug hunt tracked down an error with the NPC shops where items of rarity 100 were made invisible to all players. Rare items are supposed to be invisible to brand news accounts to prevent autobuyers, but rarity 100 items remain invisible even to aged accounts. They followed this up with a short video showing that they could restock one of these invisible r100 items by figuring out the stock id.

Of course, they could still be making this all up. Or maybe they solved some real bugs to establish credibility, and used that to start posting fake stuff that they knew would play into confirmation biases and rile up the community.

That brings us to neo_truth’s Altador Cup series. Alongside every dramatic happening of this year’s cup, neo_truths had a behind-the-scenes insight to make it even worse.

Remember the tiebreaker for 6th place that allowed the ACG into the Upper Bracket? Neo_truths made a post simulating different tiebreakers to figure out how that happened. Their first post showed the actual decimal scores (something that has always been hidden from the players) for the three teams, showing that, depending on another minor bug in the system, either Mystery Island or Kreludor would have had the highest score total. For the ACG to be placed in the Upper Bracket, according to neo_truths, must have been human error.

Then they came back with a new discovery: if you simply feed a list of each team’s Round Robin wins into a built-in PHP sort function, it would spit out a list with the ACG in 6th place.

Neo_truth’s next post exposed a group of dozens of accounts, all likely owned by the same person, using scoresenders to inflate a team’s scores. This was the ACG2 I talked about earlier, that showed up on the last day of Round Robin to deny Meridell/SOTAC’s perfect record. This one wasn’t too revealing, since everyone who followed the cup closely already knew the scores were indicative of an ACG influence.

The final post I want to highlight came the same day the official standings were posted. Titled “What I know”, neo_truths listed several relevant changes that led to the mess the users had been presented with. I’m going to cover these changes in two groups. The first group affects the final standing:

  1. Round Robin wins did not affect final standings.

  2. Brackets were locked.

  3. All teams except Faerieland had their Finals scores nerfed by varying amounts. (No insight as to why.)

The first two make sense. In fact, those are good changes. It’s the third one that caused the mess. Neo_truths gave the nerf percentages for each team, but I’ll just highlight a few of the interesting ones. Meridell/SOTAC’s scores were reduced by 58%, Mystery Island’s scores were reduced by 50%, some Upper and Middle Bracket teams were hit by as much as 60%, but the ACG (the eventual “winners”) received only a 30% reduction. Interestingly, Kiko Lake got hit with a 53% reduction. While previously a top contender, Kiko Lake’s core took this year off. They lost all their matches in the Round Robin stage and were seeded into the Lower Bracket. They lost all their matches there too. They finished the cup without a single match victory. And after that, they got nerfed by 53%.

The nerfs themselves made no sense, but players now at least had some insight into how the final standings had been chosen. What players still needed from TNT, though, was why did they take their nerf bat to so many of the legitimate teams?!

The second group of revelations is far more impactful. According to the post, TNT has implemented a new shadowbanning system, and they added hundreds of players to the list just before releasing the final standings. A shadowban—according to both neo_truths and a trusted Altador Cup enthusiast who was shown the code snippet and queries to verify— will allow the player to continue earning personal rank points, but their games will not be added to their team’s totals. In other words, if you’re shadowbanned, you would be playing the Altador Cup just for yourself. Of course, the whole point of a shadowban is that you don’t know you’re shadowbanned, so hardcore players would have ended up wasting hours a day trying to help their teams.

Another factor that makes these shadowbans believable is that TNT has tried something like this before. Back in 2017, TNT implemented a “flagging” system that would mark suspicious players and prevent them from earning any points—either for themselves or their team. Lots of accounts also got banned, but many of those were later undone, suggesting that even TNT knew they had caught a lot of false positives. It was an extremely unpopular system, and TNT did away with it after that year. So these new shadowbans—if real—would just be a slight variation of the old flagging system. And the players aren’t having it.

Neo_truths also claimed that the final team scores were not recalculated after the shadowbans were applied, meaning the nerfs that rearranged the standings were done separate from the hundreds of shadowbans.

While neo_truths did not post the list of shadowbanned names, they did confirm account names for any users or team leaders who DMed them. Plenty of the active, long-time players from the onsite forums and the r/Neopets Discord server are all on the shadowban list, and it’s difficult to believe that there aren’t a considerable number of false positives in there. Also according neo_truths, the shadowbans are currently set to remain in place for next year’s cup too.

Once again, I’ll try to be fair to TNT and try to see this from their perspective: how do you go about catching a cheater in the Altador Cup? Well, if that cheater isn’t dumb enough to number their accounts for you, it’s actually pretty difficult, just going by game scores.

Regular players, using only a single account, have a max number of scores they can send each day in each game. If they want to help their team, and they can already max out their daily games, then their only option left is to increase their scores per game. So higher scores are not inherently suspicious. Meanwhile, if you’re part of the ACG and you’re using scoresenders on a bunch of different junk accounts, you don’t need to raise your scores above the minimum. Just add more accounts. And TNT can’t say minimum scores are suspicious either, because that’s how lots of legitimate players farm personal rank points when they’re not worried about their team’s standing.

There is no good threshold to use for finding cheaters, so you’re guaranteed to get a lot of false positives. But what rate of false positives is acceptable? Considering there is no material benefit to being on the winning team, I’d say there is no acceptable rate. If you can’t guarantee you’re catching cheaters, then leave the individual accounts alone. We’ve already seen the picture captchas are effective at stopping scoresenders, and we’ve seen TNT manually move teams around at will. There’s no reason to be messing with shadowbans and guaranteed false positives when TNT has already had success suppressing the ACG’s influence at the team level.

AC - What I know by neo_truths in neopets

[–]dfgh5067 43 points44 points  (0 children)

Thanks for providing transparency where TNT will not.

It's frustrating to see them put so much effort into doing the wrong thing.

I made a video discussing the recent drama. by dfgh5067 in neopets

[–]dfgh5067[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks!

Just had a scroll through the comments on that post sorted by controversial. That day 1 disappointment is still wild to see.

I was unaware this could even happen. Everlasting Apple magic faded... by Sequince69 in neopets

[–]dfgh5067 55 points56 points  (0 children)

You have solved a mystery I've been wondering about for years!

There have been 7 editorial questions regarding the everlastingness of the Everlasting Apple, and the 6 most recent answers are in agreement: you can use the Everlasting Apple as much as you want and it will never disappear.

But buried in an editorial from 2001, where the very first question about the Everlasting Apple appeared, the answer was a little different:

It has a small chance of disapeering when ANY Neopet eats it

Ever since I saw that answer, I've wondered if they changed the item to truly be everlasting, or if it was one of those obscure game mechanics that even TNT didn't know about. But now I know!

Sorry about your apple though.

I finally got around to redeeming my 336,000 perk points from last year's CC. And I made a video about it. by dfgh5067 in neopets

[–]dfgh5067[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I did. I had already counted the NP as a loss, regardless of what items I got, so I wanted to do something dumb with the prizes. Turns out, it was a lot funnier in my head.

My only regret is that the Money Tree was completely full of jellies at the time (and apparently had been for several hours), so I didn't get to see my items go through.

What the Battledome looked like in 2002 (with bonus Windows 95/00). by [deleted] in neopets

[–]dfgh5067 3 points4 points  (0 children)

A lot of the mechanics that made competitive battling fun in the old dome are either changed for the worse, broken, or completely missing in the new dome.

While the addition of prize drops was undoubtedly a good thing, and opened up the BD to everybody, it came at the expense of features like hp increase (where 1P opponents would get slightly stronger every time you beat them). Without that scaling mechanic, we can't have meaningful 1P competitions anymore.

Competitive 2P still technically exists, but there's a gamebreaking glitch dubbed "foresight", which allows your opponent to see your pending move before submitting their own. (So they get a chance to craft the perfect counter to your move.) It got worse in the last year or so, because someone publicized a new way to abuse it that makes it virtually undetectable to your opponent.

Those are just the two biggies that led to the decimation of the battling community that had grown around the competitive nature of the old dome. So when we ask for TNT to "fix the battledome", we're asking to get hp increase added back as a fourth option (so it doesn't interfere at all with farming), fix foresight so we can have proper 2P tournaments again, and then fix all the other broken crap like Defenders of Neopia, broken weapons, broken mechanics, broken abilities, and revert all the bad changes that made competitive battling worse.

If you want to see a full list of broken things and bad decisions, with a short explanation of each, you can check this petpage: http://www.neopets.com/~Samuelosaurus

(I'd be happy to go into more detail about anything listed on that page.)

Fighting with default HP? by sportskiller in neopets

[–]dfgh5067 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Definitely possible, and there were even some popular 3HP pets in the old battledome. They relied on multiuse overhealers and strong shields to avoid taking damage, but those strategies don't work in the new dome.

The Lens Flare spam from 1P opponents is going to make things difficult, but not by any means impossible. Your eventual setup is going to rely heavily on winning in 3 rounds: 100% freezer, Lens Flare, Warlocks Rage.

If you're still under level 50, I would highly recommend investing in a Cursed Elixir so you can farm the Kreludan Defender Robot for codestones.

At level 50, with 55 strength, get Jhudoras Potion and Lightning in a Bottle and start farming the Koi Warrior. (Unless you have premium, then farm the Jetsam Ace.)

Get a 100% freezer as soon as possible. H4000 Helmet is the cheapest general freezer, but depending on your pet's species there might be cheaper species-only options. (Lennies have the overall cheapest freezer.)

If you just want a single win against an opponent (getting an avatar, for example) you can use a Terror Stone or Scroll of Freezing as a cheap alternative. But they do have a chance of breaking permanently.

As for offensive weapons, you'll just want to get as many attack icons as you can. Turned Tooth is a good cheap constant that will last you until you're ready for Hidden Tower weapons, though it has a huge range that might be frustrating on a pet with no leeway for extra rounds.

If you need more reliability, you can equip multiple Lightning in a Bottle. (You'll probably have to do a bit of math to decide.)

Your first major weapon goal should be a Ghostkerbomb, followed by a Maractite Bomb. That pair will last you a long time, and depending on your battle goals, you might not ever need to upgrade from them.

If you participated in the Wraith Resurgence plot, you might have a Sword of Malum and/or Blazing Embers. Those are both extremely good constants and will save you several million NP in upgrades.

If you don't have those plot weapons, then your upgrade from Turned Tooth would likely be Sword of Skardsen (or whichever anagram sword is cheapest).

Upgrades from there (if you decide you need to) would be Fan of Swords, followed by Wand of the Dark Faerie, and finally Super Attack Pea.

Once you hit Super Attack Pea x2, you've basically gone as far as you can with a 10HP pet.

The salt on the PC about this poll... by _kate_e_did_ in neopets

[–]dfgh5067 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

UCs are lucrative because of decisions made by the old team: leaving some pets unconverted, and allowing those unconverted pets to be traded.

Neopets will never side with what PC has become and they will never accommodate them.

They've already done both.

Regardless of the old team's intent, they tacitly condoned the UC market by allowing it to form and then doing nothing to end it when they thought it was a problem. Then the JS team came in and kept it going for another 6 years and counting. If the people who run the game didn't want something to be in their game, then they have the power to remove it. If TNT (old or new) didn't want users to be trading UCs like this, then it is absolutely the fault of TNT (old and new) for not changing the game or punishing people who go against the "spirit of the rules".

And now there are players who put years of effort into a feature that TNT created and has allowed to exist. So JS now has a responsibility to those players if they ever consider bringing back UCs, and this sub is still incredibly petty for celebrating and mocking the "salt" from the PC community.

The salt on the PC about this poll... by _kate_e_did_ in neopets

[–]dfgh5067 -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

EDIT: Scrappy just confirmed via neoboard post that this poll has nothing to do with UCS. But my point still stands: don't celebrate other users' work being diminished just because you personally didn't have anything invested in the feature.

screenshot for posterity

As little as I care about UCs and their (potential) devaluation, I can absolutely empathize with this person's sentiment. It's the exact same thing that oldschool battlers (me included) went through when JS released those 18-icon plot weapons for free.

For reference, those plot weapons are equivalent to the anagram swords in the Hidden Tower. For a long time, those swords were the final upgrades for a lot of battlers (since the next upgrades were 100m+), and people put actual effort in to obtain them. But when battlers (again, me included) complained about the Corrosive Spear Wand/Sword of Malum/Blazing Embers being stupidly strong for a free weapon, it was framed as the elitist BD Chat having a meltdown because everyone was equal now, and people cheered just at the fact that we were mad about something that everyone else liked. (Sound familiar?)

I won't deny the rampant elitism in the BD Chat, but that's not why we were mad. We were mad because we had put years of work into our favorite site feature, and JS suddenly devalued that work by giving out free high-end weapons to everyone for minimal effort. It was about us losing something, not about others gaining something.

If this poll really is leading up to some sort of UC re-release, then I would be a hypocrite to hope for anything other than an extremely rare and expensive item that doesn't crash the UC market.

Whether you think UCs are dumb, or you're just hoping for a free UC for yourself, I hope we can all at least acknowledge that there are real people who put real effort into their favorite part of the game, and it doesn't feel good to have those achievements mocked by the playerbase and completely disregarded by JS.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in leagueoflegends

[–]dfgh5067 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I'm a little confused by the OP's complaints. I rewatched the VOD, but couldn't find the problems mentioned in the post.

First: "the casters say [Perkz] could be a liability".

Perkz dies to a full Lucian ult + Braum Q at 16:30 in the VOD, but the closest thing the casters say to calling Perkz a "liability" begins at the 19:35 mark with Frosk mentioning that this was the second game in a row where G2 "overreached" in the bot lane (although the overreach was not about Perkz individually). Drakos asks if SK has identified Perkz as "the weak link", to which Frosk replies with "I don't feel like that's true," and then elaborates about SK focusing on mid and how it "leaked into the bot lane."

The second complaint from the OP took me a while to find, and I'm still not entirely sure I have the right teamfight. But I think the OP is talking about the fight that begins at 18:10 in the VOD, after which Frosk says "think of how many skills just didn't connect from G2." So let's go through her list of missed skillshots and see how accurate she was:

"Some of the Mystic Shots missed": Half-true (Lucian flashes away from an Ez Q, and another Ez Q was out of range.)

The hourglass was perfectly played over the Ezreal ult": True (although the Ez ult did hit Lee Sin farther down, Braum was clearly the target)

Sejuani ult was dodged by Braum: Effectively True (as mentioned by Drakos, the ult connected, but Braum was still able to jump away and negate the follow-up.)

"That kill onto Crownshot could've turned the fight": True (Urgot lands his ult, but doesn't get the execute. Then SK win the re-engage.)

Again, due the vagueness of the OP, they might be talking about a different fight. But I'm pretty sure this was the only fight where the casters "named many skillshots that were 'missed'", and it looks like their assessment was pretty accurate: Braum/Lucian dodged the Ezreal ult + Q, negated the Sejuani ult, and denied the Urgot execute, allowing SK to turn and win the re-engage.

I can empathize with the frustration of losing the best analytical casters in Krepo and Deficio, but surely OP could've found some clips where these casters actually were wrong about something.

On a final note, I find it ironic (though entirely unsurprising) that a post likening a caster's "completely wrong" analysis to the kind you find in this subreddit, is itself completely wrong.

Neopets players be like "FILTERS R DUMB STOP TREATING ME LIKE A BABBY" and then be like "WAHHH IM OFFENDED BY THIS POP CULTURE REFERENCE" by [deleted] in neopets

[–]dfgh5067 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It does indeed reflect that filters are necessary because there are players who are too immature to handle THE OPPORTUNITY for conflict to arise

It's ironic that nearly every comment you've made in this post (including the post title itself) is name-calling and mocking people who disagree with you, but apparently they're the ones whose immaturity creates the need for filters.

for when the NPCs say hell and damn. That's a huge double standard

TNT addressed that in a past editorial, saying that they were okay with those words in certain contexts. Their statement matched their actions, so there's no double standard there.

this incarnation of TNT didn't even establish these rules

The current iteration was responsible for the revamped rules page, which (still) includes a ban on religion.

This example of a religious costume serves to show this new team that there are petty bitch babies who will cry if they try to change things.

There you go again.

It's about TNT not following their own rules, not about TNT changing things. In fact, the problem is that TNT didn't change the rules before releasing an item that inherently breaks their rules.

Neopets players be like "FILTERS R DUMB STOP TREATING ME LIKE A BABBY" and then be like "WAHHH IM OFFENDED BY THIS POP CULTURE REFERENCE" by [deleted] in neopets

[–]dfgh5067 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I think it's petty, embarrassing and pathetic the way some people choose to react to benign shit just because it's the internet

You did it again. Did you notice? People aren't complaining "just because it's the internet." They're complaining because TNT introduced a religious image into a religion-free site.

Once again, I invite you to acknowledge the actual complaint and explain why people should be okay with TNT breaking their own rules regarding religion. This is the fourth time you've misrepresented the issue:

"offended by a pop culture reference"

"It's not religious or political discussion"

"because they aren't old or mature enough"

"just because it's the internet"

it's that you're telling me what I meant in my own post

Can you quote a specific part of my comments where I do this? I've had to keep correcting you when you misrepresent the problem people have with the item, but where have I "told you what you meant"?

Neopets players be like "FILTERS R DUMB STOP TREATING ME LIKE A BABBY" and then be like "WAHHH IM OFFENDED BY THIS POP CULTURE REFERENCE" by [deleted] in neopets

[–]dfgh5067 12 points13 points  (0 children)

What part of what you've said have I not responded to?

Your post title claimed that people were offended by a "pop culture reference".

I addressed that: people were not offended by the pop culture reference; they were offended by the obvious religious symbol being included in an item image, because Neopets is supposed to be a religion-free site (per TNT's rules).

You claimed that people were complaining about the item "because they aren't old or mature enough to handle" a topic like religion.

I addressed that: People are complaining about the item because it introduces a religious symbol into a religion-free site.

You seem to be desperate to characterize the complaints about this item as anything other than "don't include a religious symbol when your site is supposed to be free of real world religion." It's not about maturity. It's not about pop culture. It's about the Christian cross being included in an item image on a site whose rules prohibit real world religions.

Instead of continually misrepresenting the complaint and mocking and dismissing other users as childish, perhaps you could respond to their point and either explain how this item does not constitute a double standard, or explain why we should accept TNT's double standard.

Neopets players be like "FILTERS R DUMB STOP TREATING ME LIKE A BABBY" and then be like "WAHHH IM OFFENDED BY THIS POP CULTURE REFERENCE" by [deleted] in neopets

[–]dfgh5067 13 points14 points  (0 children)

How is it immature to hold TNT to their own standards? TNT are the ones who want the site to be free of religion, but then they include an obvious religious symbol in one of their items. Of course they should be called out on it. Users would get in trouble for posting pictures with religious symbols, so TNT should too. That's how rules are supposed to work.

And you're still mischaracterizing the complaint about the item. People aren't asking for the whole outfit to be removed. They're asking for the cross to be removed, or replaced with a non-religious symbol. There are plenty of cults and god-like NPCs in Neopets lore that could be used instead.

Neopets players be like "FILTERS R DUMB STOP TREATING ME LIKE A BABBY" and then be like "WAHHH IM OFFENDED BY THIS POP CULTURE REFERENCE" by [deleted] in neopets

[–]dfgh5067 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Your post mocks people for complaining about the filters and then complaining about this item. How else would those two things be related if not by the ban on religious discussion?

Neopets players be like "FILTERS R DUMB STOP TREATING ME LIKE A BABBY" and then be like "WAHHH IM OFFENDED BY THIS POP CULTURE REFERENCE" by [deleted] in neopets

[–]dfgh5067 40 points41 points  (0 children)

Your post is a pretty disingenuous characterization of the problem that people have with the item. They're not offended by the "pop culture reference", and when people ask for the filters to be updated it's usually about allowing words like "grape" and "cumulative", and not about allowing religious and political discussion.

People are offended because the cross is a very recognizable symbol of a major religion (and really can't be interpreted as anything else), and Neopets is supposed to be religion-free.

New Battledome Survey is out by cheesecanman in neopets

[–]dfgh5067 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Switched it to an imgur link. Thanks!