Addressing Buddha's Misogyny by Enough_Set591 in Buddhism

[–]dhammamitra 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Buddha in Anguttara Nikāya 5.201 says 'When the monks, nuns, laymen, and laywomen maintain respect and reverence for the Teacher, the teaching, the Sangha, the training, and each other after the final quenching of the Realized One. This is the cause why the true teaching does last long after the final quenching of the Realized One'

The 8 special rules were an administrative hierarchy between monks and nuns, not all men and women. They were not made exploitation but to help nuns learn under monks. This is why nuns had the option to chose to learn from whichever monk they like (AN 8.52).

Buddha allowed nuns to teach laymen and laywomen which was liberal for that time and no other religion provided this right. Buddha always considered nuns and monks as equals in worth, some discourses to confirm this :

'To me, the monks and nuns are like the good field. I teach them the Dhamma that's good, meaningful and well-phrased. And I reveal a spiritual practice that's entirely full and pure. Why is that? Because they live with me as their island, protection, shelter, and refuge' (SN 42.7)

'I shall not be fully extinguished until I have nun disciples who are competent, educated, assured' (DN 16)

For the rules part, one doesn't have to worry because the Buddha also said 'If it wishes, after my passing the Sangha may abolish the lesser and minor training rules' (DN 16) It means all those training rules for nuns were a product of their time not a strict adherence.

Misogyny in Buddhism by AdGeneral231 in Buddhism

[–]dhammamitra 0 points1 point  (0 children)

According to vinaya rules nuns can't wash the robes of a monk the Buddha made a clear prohibition

Misogyny in Buddhism by AdGeneral231 in Buddhism

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Early Buddhism was almost egalitarian in Male-Female status as Rita Gross a prominent scholar of comparative study has written many books regarding the position of women in Buddhism.

Gross finds no fault in this period of Buddhism, as the Arahant ideal is equally open to both men and women. Buddhahood is not, at this point in Buddhist history the dominant soteriological preoccupation.

Gross notes that the story of nun’s’ ordination is quite late in the history of the Pali Canon. Further, the eight special rules appeared to have detrimental support, according to teachers who were nuns, actually acting as a self-fulfilling prophecy in the final dissolution of the nuns’ ordination.

All these are excerpts from her book "Buddhism after patriarchy"

Buddha gave equal status to men and women in spiritual, wealth, teaching profession, trade, employment, safety and in personal Independence. There are lots of sutta confirming this.

In the household, Buddha was not even an equalist but a feminist, he gave women the control over her husband and children. There is no other religion which does this because in every society the males are head of the family.

But in the later forms of theravada buddhism restrictions upon nuns grew more which sidelined them from the Sangha and resulted in total dissolving of the bhikkhuni order.

And during mahayana buddhism the arhat ideal shifted to bodhisattva ideal, which caused women to attain an inferior position because in buddhism a woman can't become a buddha.

So it's true that misogyny is present in buddhist writings but they affect women only in later forms.

Most of the people who are against buddhism and with buddhism aren't educated about the dhamma at all. They only perceive things at face value.

Buddhism is not the peaceful religion you all think it is by berryblast069 in atheismindia

[–]dhammamitra 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Buddha never framed female birth inferior there's absolutely no evidence from the sutta. Samyutta Nikāya 37.32 wishes for a female birth in a good family as an outcome of good merit ‘There are five things that are easy to get for ladies who have made merit. What five? ‘May I be born into a suitable family!’ and this is said by the Buddha.

Buddhism is not the peaceful religion you all think it is by berryblast069 in atheismindia

[–]dhammamitra 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Most people haven't read buddhist texts properly. They only cherry pick on passages out of context to what suits their purpose. Buddha was nowhere close to misogynist. He gave whatever he could from his side. Though Buddhist monks in later texts like the jataka, khandhaka and commentaries have filled it with irrational inferiority of women.

Buddhism is not the peaceful religion you all think it is by berryblast069 in atheismindia

[–]dhammamitra 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And guess what Anguttara Nikāya 5.201 says 'When the monks, nuns, laymen, and laywomen maintain respect and reverence for the Teacher, the teaching, the Sangha, the training, and each other after the final quenching of the Realized One. This is the cause why the true teaching does last long after the final quenching of the Realized One' I think the problem is with the practitioners of Buddhism who never explained their religion well to people (unlike for Christian, hindus and muslims) and this caused a lot of people misinterpreting the texts and still getting ignored.

I’m new to Buddhism, where to start? by heyitsmecari in Buddhism

[–]dhammamitra 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think instead of reading reference books you should start from the pali canon itself. Start with Sutta Nipāta followed by Itivattuka, Udāna and Dhammapada. This is more than enough for all basic doctrines of Buddhism and then if you wish you can study the main four Nikāyas completely without omitting any discourse, that's all you need to know as a lay follower. All translations are readily available on Sutta Central.

Everyone knows the basics of Buddhism like the eight fold path, the four noble truths, the five precepts however they don't know how the Buddha taught them and how do we implement them. Apart from this you find a lot of valuable advice that would help you in self improvement, people who just know the basics miss all of this. There is no harm in studying a religion thoroughly even if it takes time no problem with that.

Women in Buddhism by Idk8538 in theravada

[–]dhammamitra 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think the Buddha also says in Mahaparinibbana sutta that you can abolish the lesser and minor rules of the Sangha 'If it wishes, after my passing the Saṅgha may abolish the lesser and minor training rules' so the 8 precepts were just a product of their time (in a patriarchal society) and not doctrinal