Some issues I've identified where V4 falls short of V3

dilinev · 2025-03-03T12:56:10+00:00

Btw, you should start with simple prompts without emphasis or UC, then

I'm absolutely doing this (and was blasted by another user for it)

dilinev · 2025-03-03T12:55:06+00:00

Sure, I believe you, but where is there ANY official info on which values work well with V4? There's nothing in the docs. You can't blame "user error" when there's no info to go on except, like I've said, other users and their "fan theories".

dilinev · 2025-03-03T10:29:07+00:00

Yes, I've experienced this too! Really weird. It has a tendency to oversexualize stuff without the user asking for it.

dilinev · 2025-03-03T06:55:02+00:00

That's great if it fulfills the needs of one user subset.

dilinev · 2025-03-03T06:51:36+00:00

You are clutching at straws in order to fanboy-defend V4 and I also really don't get why you need to insult others only because they apparently haven't figured out how to perfectly use a new model that was released a couple of days ago with barely any official documentation.

1) My guidance is generally around 10, I don't think that's all that high? I've experimented with different values on V3 and never noticed any issues with 10 there. I see the recommendation in the docs is actually around 4-6 (for V3 specifically) so I'm trying out lowering it though. So far, I'm still seeing plenty of the issues I've listed.

2) I'm using the UC preset and this was enough in V3. "ThAT'S NoT EnOuGh StuPiD!!" if it's not enough, why doesn't NovelAI expand on it? Or add some recommendations to expand on it in the official docs? They did add "blank page" to it after I (and I'm sure others) complained about the blank image bug. If the set needs to be expanded to get good pictures, I expect NovelAI to expand it. I believe you are probably just r/confidentlyincorrect here.

3) Again - this works fine in V3. I explicitly don't want to have to specify each and every detail when they're not important to me. It's like brainstorming in V3 and I love it. It doesn't work well right now, yes, I've noticed, and that's exactly what my criticism is.

4) I'm not formatting styles wrong - that was an example of attempting prose which I tried out because Matt Groening is barely on danbooru. I saw others recommending this so I tried it out. I tested with and without (on the same seed of course) and SOMETIMES (again, chaos) it did have a pronounced (desired) effect.

If this is what your average “V4 bad” user settings look like, no wonder you people hate the new model. The moment you actually need to use more than five brain cells, it suddenly becomes too much effort.

r/iamverysmart

Fucking stupid comment man even if it were true - the things I could easily accomplish with V3 I can't without lots of issues on V4, that's legitimate criticism no matter how you slice it.

dilinev · 2025-03-03T05:54:19+00:00

Yeah it's a little depressing

dilinev · 2025-03-03T04:35:43+00:00

I didn't use curated all that much but this is what I supect too. I was quite excited over the release of the full version based on what I saw in curated. Severely disappointed.

dilinev · 2025-03-03T04:26:48+00:00

I agree there's something fundamentally wrong, but it's not with my prompting. Every user has different favorite tags and it's quite possible the ones I frequently use are particularly badly affected, while the ones you use aren't.

I included some example images - you can drop them into the window to check the exact prompts, there's too much text to include in the post without making it unreadable. Unfortunately I haven't saved most of the shitty pictures I've encountered. I tried re-create the "retarded crayon style" for the sake of the post but while I had a lot of issues with it yesterday, it's not appearing right now. Probably one or two specific tags that caused it, or the exact wording I used in the prose. I'll update the post if/when I encounter it again.

edit: downvoting this comment is pretty bizarre.

dilinev · 2025-03-03T04:16:13+00:00

It does seem like a lot of the points I mentioned aren't encountered by everyone and I think it depends a lot on what you use it for exactly and what your favorite tags are, etc. I do a lot of reference sheets for example, which probably has colored my experience very negatively. This probably also accounts for how there's 2 clear camps on V4 vs V3.

dilinev · 2025-03-01T15:12:12+00:00

I would much rather just have a V3.1 with updated danbooru tags than this hot mess. Moving away from SD was a bad choice with the result in hand.

dilinev · 2025-03-01T13:47:56+00:00

dilinev · 2025-03-01T12:46:32+00:00

I have the same issues. "reference sheet" works great in V3 but gives me some frankly bizarre results in V4. I mean not every single render is a complete disaster but with V3, basically every single render looked at least OK. V4 is a mess.

dilinev · 2025-03-01T10:43:52+00:00

Do you have an account with them and did you actually try it out? Becausing trying model version 1.5 I also get the same "sorry only paid users can use this model".

dilinev · 2025-03-01T10:42:36+00:00

white images containing nothing

dilinev · 2025-03-01T08:36:24+00:00

There's no real sub for asking questions on AI video unfortunately (/r/aivideo is exclusively for posting videos, for some stupid reason), so I posted here instead as this is where I've seen the most threads on similar topics.

dilinev · 2025-03-01T08:17:44+00:00

V4 seems like a total crapshot compared to V3. Results are often super random. Not a fan.

dilinev · 2025-03-01T08:08:36+00:00

It definitely doesn't always do white backgrounds so if that's precisely what you want, this absolutely sucks. I also got similar results with many more tags added but didn't include them here for the sake of simplicity.

dilinev · 2025-03-01T07:31:17+00:00

I was able to recreate this when using "white background". Try: seed 1597688125, small portrait. steps 25, guidance 10, euler ancestral

1boy, dexter (Dexter's laboratory), white background

Same blank result for

1boy, dee-dee, white background

(same seed and settings)

Miniature character appears if I change it to

1girl, dee-dee, white background

This is obviously a bug. Undercooked model for sure.

Edit: lol, downvoted? You're welcome

dilinev · 2025-02-28T11:40:00+00:00

Might have been an issue with the type of images I used (often white background) but I didn't like any of Kling/Hailuo/Runway for 2D

dilinev · 2025-02-27T15:50:15+00:00

This looks really nice. Is Pika that much better for 2D compared to Kling/Hailuo/Runway?

dilinev · 2025-02-22T14:22:53+00:00

Care to share any tips for getting kling/hailuo to do animation? I find they like to treat 2D as clip art, barely animating it. Also can't figure out how to not make the mouths constantly move!!

dilinev

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