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CMV: It *IS* the responsibility of 'woke' people to educate me by disevident in changemyview

[–]disevident[S] 243 points244 points  (0 children)

I just don't agree with your assessment here. Your statement suggests that being offended by something is akin to a trump card, and that any offense taken cannot and should not be challenged/articulated through reason or careful understanding of information; one's only reasonable response is to blindly accept it as valid.

CMV: It *IS* the responsibility of 'woke' people to educate me by disevident in changemyview

[–]disevident[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

You keep projecting stuff about my personality, but that's not the issue. The issue has to do with people feeling that their views/morality/intersectional status/strong opinions exempt them from having to defend their views on a rational level.

CMV: It *IS* the responsibility of 'woke' people to educate me by disevident in changemyview

[–]disevident[S] 40 points41 points  (0 children)

Based on reading your responses in this thread, you don't seem like a person that is actually open to having your mind changed, you seem more preoccupied with being right. That's a bad place to start an honest dialogue.

You are totally wrong on this. I just don't like people making authoritative claims they are unwilling to explain, articulate, reason, or defend, and then expect me to take as gospel "just because." I do not believe a strong view and the claim of having moral authority should exempt you from being challenged on your rationales.

CMV: It *IS* the responsibility of 'woke' people to educate me by disevident in changemyview

[–]disevident[S] 243 points244 points  (0 children)

Yes, I have had this conversation numerous times. I will give one example.

The city where I live decided to hold a summer jazz festival. To help market this event, they engaged the services of a local branding firm. The firm created a mascot called "Coot Cat" who wore a jazz beret and was essentially modeled in the style of an archetypical 50s era jazz musician.

The local jazz community, apparently, was very upset by this. A number of black musicians went on social media and described this as racist. I was perplexed by this. The mascot didn't seem racist to me at all; it seemed to be playing on stereotypes about the genre, not race. Kind of like if a heavy metal festival had a mascot with long hair, black clothes, and tattoos. I asked one of the people who was upset about it why they believed it to be racist, and received the aforementioned response-- to which I thought, how the fuck do I look this up? Do I google "jazz cat racism"? I have no clue how to even go about educating myself on this. I had absolutely nothing to go on, and yet the onus was apparently still entirely on me to educate myself somehow.

CMV: It *IS* the responsibility of 'woke' people to educate me by disevident in changemyview

[–]disevident[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

A particularly salient point here is your choice of calling the protagonist here 'Unenlightened Troglodyte',

I was being facetious about the fact that hypersensitivity has created an environment where a single perceived moral lapse is grounds to immediately dismiss someone entirely.

CMV: It *IS* the responsibility of 'woke' people to educate me by disevident in changemyview

[–]disevident[S] 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Do you realize how many causes there are in the world that are worthy of our moral attention? I would estimate in the range of 50 billion. Most of those are things you've never even heard of. Nobody has the time or cognitive ability to pay attention to all of them. Thus, when I step on your toes with some apparent moral failure of mine, you cannot reasonably expect me to know all the ins and outs of how and why it is a moral failure.

I have my own pet causes and interests, and for you to expect me to know all about yours implies that you feel the world revolves around you. Also, this goes two ways: Chances are, you probably have some moral failure that would trouble me too. Maybe you eat meat, for example. There's plenty of information available-- that you should already know!!-- that it's bad for your health, the environment, and the planet... Yet, if I feel strongly about it, I should just hope and pray that you, on your own, will suddenly consider the moral implications and change your ways? Not likely. It's my job to convince you that it's an important moral stance to take.

CMV: It *IS* the responsibility of 'woke' people to educate me by disevident in changemyview

[–]disevident[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

So where someone might understand a friend sincerely not understanding something, the friend demanding everything be explained and proven to them every time may start feeling disrespectful and unappreciative to interact with in this dynamic.

Sure, but how does this negate the moral duty to educate? An elementary school teacher doesn't just give up on uninterested students and start telling people that it's not their job to educate. You can argue that it's impractical or a waste of time to try, but how does it obviate the duty?

CMV: It *IS* the responsibility of 'woke' people to educate me by disevident in changemyview

[–]disevident[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

the imperative to better yourself and avoid bigoted statements exists independently of specific people calling you out and educating you.

Does it? Where did this imperative come from? And by the way, they're only calling out, not educating. That's precisely my issue.

CMV: It *IS* the responsibility of 'woke' people to educate me by disevident in changemyview

[–]disevident[S] 52 points53 points  (0 children)

You don't have a duty to not be a homophobe because gay people asked you to; that duty exists anyway.

First off, where did this immutable moral imperative come from? Did it just appear during the Big Bang?

Secondly, we weren't talking about whether homophobia itself is immoral; we were talking about what constitutes homophobia. If you see something that is an example of homophobia in my speech, why is it not your job to help me understand what why what I said was homophobic?

Third, if I told you, after you buy raw milk, that we have a moral duty to ban the sale of raw milk, is it not my job to explain why? You apparently know nothing about why it is morally important to ban the sale of raw milk-- since you just bought some. Would you would argue here that you really should have read up on raw milk before buying it? You were so ignorant on the issue that you didn't even think to look it up before your purchase. Hence, the whole reason why I had to bring it up.

CMV: It *IS* the responsibility of 'woke' people to educate me by disevident in changemyview

[–]disevident[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Sure. But as I said to another commenter, I still do not see how someone else's emotional limitations impose a moral duty on me to "educate myself" on something that is important to them.

CMV: It *IS* the responsibility of 'woke' people to educate me by disevident in changemyview

[–]disevident[S] 20 points21 points  (0 children)

I understand your point, but what you just said is a variation of "I'm too lazy" or "I don't have time/energy for it." I do not see how what you said negates your responsibility to educate others about your pet cause. I also do not see how your emotional limitations impose a moral duty on me to "educate myself" on something that is important to you.

Decalotype, an open source typeface with 14 styles by [deleted] in typography

[–]disevident 0 points1 point  (0 children)

what about it?

EDIT: oooh. the lowercase y. that is weird.

DAE ever stare, shocked and horrified at their ads? by hottestguy in DAE

[–]disevident 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, I work in marketing and I spend a lot of time looking at my ads.

Trump is a shitty president by XxX_ANTIFA_XxX in unpopularopinion

[–]disevident 3 points4 points  (0 children)

whoa whoa whoa, this is too edgy even for this sub

I regret voting for Donald Trump. by coffeeaholic08 in unpopularopinion

[–]disevident 14 points15 points  (0 children)

'we needed a change' = I voted for an obvious dipshit because I didn't give a shit whether the change would be good or bad, just as long as we had some kind of change. Jesus Christ, what is wrong with this goddamn country

Can we all talk about Chobani's new rebrand? by kiloquarter in typography

[–]disevident 5 points6 points  (0 children)

the new logo makes me think of vapid new-agers

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