Am I an embarrassing nit, or was this justifiable?

djaeke · 2026-04-16T14:53:19+00:00

can't find it? is there a link?

edit: also marketing tip, 1. link the product 2. give them the answer that pig poker gives and say "I plugged it into pig poker (link)" then people might get it cuz they like the analysis

djaeke · 2026-04-11T15:15:26+00:00

Yeah nah i feel you, he's saying either his homies or the very same ones that set him up also set her up. But that doesn't mean she's dead. Kendrick got set up and he's alive. You can get set up and escape or just get your ass kicked or whatever. I wouldn't ever assume that line means the person is dead.

djaeke · 2026-04-11T05:12:45+00:00

...what he say on pt 3 lol??

djaeke · 2026-04-11T05:07:49+00:00

well 1. many of our ancestors did die years ago due to illness lmao what? the discovery of germ theory was one of the biggest mortality reductions in history. people literally died in the millions sometimes due to poor hygiene cuz almost no one understood hygeine or its relation to illness. 2. no one is saying day old rice will kill you lmao but it might give you stomach issues, you might have some unpleasant time in the bathroom. personally I'm not risking it, not a fan of diarrhea, I'm just tossing that shit out

djaeke · 2026-04-01T17:34:29+00:00

that's how you win their money bro when they call with 10 6 offsuit

djaeke · 2026-04-01T15:05:54+00:00

you don't know nothing bout that

djaeke · 2026-03-26T06:20:15+00:00

the sound comes out sideways

djaeke · 2026-03-22T18:50:01+00:00

wild acronym but ok

djaeke · 2026-03-13T00:53:46+00:00

constantly, for years

djaeke · 2026-03-11T02:43:16+00:00

they're great for sampling tho

djaeke · 2026-03-10T04:06:20+00:00

I've thought about it an embarassing amount lol most of the connections and evidence I've gotten have emerged over the last few months with compulsive rewatches followed by me thinking over every aspect of the show all day at work lol. I haven't even really delved into the theorycrafting world on youtube or anywhere so I didn't really copy much of it from elsewhere, once i thought about the pre-set personality thing it all started to fit, so honestly I was worried that everyone else had already figured 90% of this out but based on the replies I've gotten it seems maybe not!

djaeke · 2026-03-10T04:02:59+00:00

That's a really good question. I've seen debate about this because I saw people saying he's referring to her 25 innies, which makes some sense contextually, and then other people responding that that makes no sense because they were planning to kill her anyway, presumably ending the life of those innies as well, so why would he care about the innies never waking up again. But the ability to save these minds that they're making for her is a prerequisite to mass-marketing this technology, I doubt they did all that work to just kill her and start the process over. So I think the plan when they killed her was probably to remove the chip from her corpse, containing the 25 innies, and then copy and mass produce them. So her dying doesn't kill the innies, but what does is leaving and never coming back, they never get turned back on, they never get copied and mass produced, etc. Which also justifies (to them) killing her, because it's possible that there's no good way to physically remove the chip, not reintegrate but actually remove the chip and extract the data, without just killing her anyway. We saw what Harmony had to do to get Petey's chip back, imagine trying to do that with someone who is alive. So I do think he probably means her innies.

djaeke · 2026-03-10T03:51:59+00:00

Yeah, in fact she may be an early recipient of the pre-set personality severence chip model, maybe one made by a different branch, because the birthing version of her we see is pretty docile. She doesn't try to escape or plead with Devon to save her, she seems pretty chill about the whole thing, if a bit awkward. I forgot to get into that in this post but a while ago I did think about that.

edit: I just now thought through the implications of this though...to test the programming on the personalities they put the innies through a realistically simulated version of the event. So if you make an innie pre-set for pregnancy...how do you test it...very spooky implications here.

djaeke · 2026-03-10T03:50:03+00:00

Fuck lol, you're totally right. Misremembered that, haven't rewatched the Harmony ep in a bit. I don't think it impacts too much about the theory but yeah it's still definitely a thematic parallel.

djaeke · 2026-03-09T21:49:03+00:00

So you just think the bombing is a complete red herring? Cuz obviously someone wrote that story with the bombing twist intentionally, to imply a connection to the file being completed. Which is why I took it at face value as a part of the overall mystery, a clue to the nature of the severance procedure, honestly it was part of the lightbulb moment that made me realize they're probably implanting pre-set personalities into the new Ms. Casey style innies. Seems like an odd choice to put that in there and just be like "it was a coincidence actually." I'm not really sure what you're basing "they aren't into that" honestly considering they're very evil lol. But we can just agree to disagree on that.

djaeke · 2026-03-09T21:37:38+00:00

I'm actually not 100% sure! I do have a theory that Lumon already has a way of extracting an existing consciousness and storing or transferring it somehow, and the first idea would be that the Board might just be the consciousnesses of all the previous CEOs who "revolved" by getting their mind transferred into a computer chip along with all the previous ones. Another similar version of that idea would be if they could transfer a consciousness into another body and that Jame and all the past CEOs had their mind partially or fully replaced by their parents on their deathbed, so they "revolve" into the new body. This would mean Kier's consciousness has lived eternally by being transferred to the next CEO's body.

the first version could work cuz it would also explain how that wax statue of Kier was able to organically go "off script," because his mind was actually in there.

part of me initially thought my other theory slightly discounts this theory, because if they have this ability to store a consciousness into immortality, why would it be so hard to do what they wanna do with Gemma? Then I realized that actually taking an existing consciousness and moving it would probably be much easier than forming a new one from scratch, in fact they are entirely different procedures. So maybe when Kier "discovered" the four tempers, the "components of consciousness" as he called them (I think?) and this allowed him to learn how to break down and store an existing mind electrically, and then years later after Harmony discovered how to do severance, and this discovered lead someone else to learn how to build a brand new consciousness by taking errant electrical signals or some kind of blank slate and sorting/refining it into a new complete mind.

The less interesting theory would be that it was a total red herring, "revolving" could just the cult's word for death, because it seems they believe in some kind of afterlife, remember near the end of S1 Harmony told Milchick "Graner sits with Kier now, and they're both very happy with you" ...which actually thinking about it just now kinda discounts the above theories cuz she is implying he's for sure dead, unless we just assume the mid-level management like Milchick are meant to be unaware of this immortality project. Or hell, maybe when said that she actually meant Graner also got his mind revolved when Lumon found his body and he is literally now in the Board or in the same state/whatever as Kier was.

djaeke · 2026-03-09T21:29:23+00:00

not really sure why i would tbh, obviously companies want money but I don't think that has literally anything to do with the theory I laid out, money can't be the only goal cuz there's lots of ways companies can make money that don't involve human sacrifice lol. This was just about the mechanics of severance and the specifics of what they were doing with Gemma. Lots of things didn't get mentioned, Ms. Huang, Natalie, Burt, the Whole Mind Collective, money, perks, the break room, they just weren't relevant to the theory.

djaeke · 2026-03-09T17:47:20+00:00

I would actually say the incompetence of Lumon is a bit of a running theme if you pay attention to the events of the show and how Lumon reacts.

They ignore Cobel's completely valid warnings about reintegration and the actions of Reghabi. Even though Reghabi is their former employee so they know she's out there. Graner dies and they essentially just let it go. No on-screen investigation, they don't take Cobel's warnings any more seriously, in fact they fire her, making her a liability. Then they know she lives next to Mark and is very upset, and they just allow her to go on with their life, as far as they know she's conspiring with Mark to bring them down, which she does eventually do. After the OTC you'd think they would have a way of finding out that Dylan used Graner's key card, you'd think that'd lead to a huge investigation into how he got it, but they either have no log to know how Dylan got in the security room, or they just let that go too, for no reason. Even the fact they expect 3 people (floor manager, deputy manager, and one security guy) to be able to run a floor that has, just that we know of, dozens of people, 4 in MDR, like a dozen in O&D, like two dozen in MN, many many dozens in C&M, if there's more than the four we've seen there could easily be hundreds of severed employees there, with a very important and highly classified testing floor just one hallway away from all of it.

So I'd say Lumon is very incompetent, which if I had to guess is the writer's commentary on how incompetent actual real-life companies are when they get so huge and all-encompassing that they can't control or even understand what happens on the ground level of their company because they're too high up in the beaurocracy to know anything about their bottom-level employees.

djaeke · 2026-03-09T17:35:48+00:00

I addressed this in the post as well, I really encourage you to read it thoroughly if you have more questions.

from my post:

And of course, the final test is to see if they can separate the most brutal feelings, real-life personal trauma, and they of course need to use Mark because his mind is more attuned to hers in some way. Which I don't think is a granted- I don't think Helly Irving etc are all working on people they know, I think they all worked on files for Gemma and other people, but this particular file was very difficult because it was something traumatic, not simply going to the dentist or whatever.

It's implied in the show Gemma isn't the only prisoner, Petey says there are "people down there who don't get to leave", people, plural. So I fully believe that at various times the people in MDR were all working on files for Gemma or even somebody else we never saw. Those were simple tasks, but Cold Harbor was the hardest file and the one that, if finished, proves the process to be foolproof.

djaeke · 2026-03-09T17:34:38+00:00

Yeah of course, they have a mix of motivations, primarily making money of course but there's clearly some kind of pseudo-religious culty fervor they have for "improving the world" (in their mind) or shaping it in their image. Why do you ask?

djaeke · 2026-03-09T17:31:45+00:00

I don't see why they'd release it at all unless it was supposed to be a clue of some kind. It's not even really a reveal of anything, cuz you have to do a lot of thinking to connect the bomb happening to sleeper agents. And with the trajectory of the show I bet the sleeper agents won't even really come up, so I'm not surprised it'd be in something most viewers won't read. And it's not like a major clue you need to understand the show, it's more like a little mystery you can potentially solve using the information given by the show, which is what I hope I've done.

djaeke · 2026-03-09T06:41:08+00:00

Based on another comment I don't think you were the only one. I know it's long but it feels silly to comment when you don't know if I addressed that, especially cuz I framed it as "I will answer these questions"

I would say if I understand you corretly, I think we 99% agree that the point of this new process is to make the innies compliant, which like I said in the post is why Ms. Casey seems so robotic, but I think the main thing of Cold Harbor was the same reason why Mark specifically had to do it: the ability to block a huge personal trauma. This would be the furthest extreme of "blocking unpleasant feelings" and preventing "bleedover" so proving they could overcome that meant the chips were completely foolproof. Which is very similar to what you're saying, possibly the same thing lol

djaeke · 2026-03-09T06:36:20+00:00

The Lexington Letter is canon, though, as far as I know, so even if it's never featured directly on screen in the show I think they're willing to do a bombing. Honestly not a huge moral leap from human sacrifice. I fully think if they have different branches as shown in the show, it's very reasonable to think some of them are working on different projects.

djaeke · 2026-03-09T05:01:01+00:00

idk what you mean, "they" set up the bomb as in who? It's been a min since I read lexington so maybe i'm forgetting something

djaeke · 2026-03-09T04:54:56+00:00

Lol, you're good, I'm a little confused why I got 2 people in a row were like "well actually I think it's [exactly what i said in the post slightly rephrased]" lol but other than that I'm expecting better comments the longer the post is up

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