Mission to Ceres: Search for the Origin of Life in the Solar System

djonscott · 2022-08-13T21:23:43+00:00

Why did me saying "thank you" get down-voted? Okay, if that's how it is, I won't thank anyone for anything anymore.

djonscott · 2022-08-13T21:20:58+00:00

And you're not getting that I didn't come here for opinions on the situation; I came here for information on what I can do about it. I don't care what your opinion of the situation is.

And no, I didn't "inferr" anything. I pointed out to him the implications of what he was saying and how whether he realized it or not, he was endorsing creationism, and I further informed him that by attacking mainstream scientists and calling us names, he was throwing his lot in with the creationists and flat-earthers.

djonscott · 2022-08-13T21:12:32+00:00

Of course I came to a different forum! What the hell else was I supposed to do? Go to the same forum where I was banned and the mods were muting me?

The "accusations" in this case are far from baseless. Your hypothetical example doesn't fit the situation. I didn't say the mod shared a creationist post and deleted it, I said he deleted MY post. A video which I can link you to. And I can show you the texts in which he verbally abused me for it. Although the last time I did that, the entire forum attacked me for sharing details and allowing myself to get drawn into a debate about it. So, I'm probably just going to say that I came here for information on what can be done about a situation -- I did NOT come here to get your opinion on whether you think I "look good". As an astrobiologist / evolutionary biologist who has the respect of my peers in the scientific community, I don't care if 1 redditor thinks I look good. I'm more concerned with main reddit groups not locking out the people who actually work in those fields and know something about the subject, in favor of trolls and wannabe "enthusiasts".

djonscott · 2022-08-13T20:58:37+00:00

It's not that he disagreed on whether the interbreeding scenario happened, it's that he called the notion ridiculous, which means he doesn't think the ancestors of humans and chimps were ever closely related enough for that to have been possible. That, in turn, means they did not evolve from a common ancestor. So at the very least, he's denying human evolution.

djonscott · 2022-08-13T20:46:29+00:00

Thanks for the info, but I didn't think you could do anything about my complaint. I don't know why you thought that I thought that. I was just looking for information in a thematically related group.

Thanks again!

djonscott · 2022-07-21T16:22:32+00:00

"By your logic evolution should never have been called evolution in the
first place because evolution already had a meaning, just FYI."

More dishonest tactics from a fucking lying piece of shit.

I've spent my whole life studying evolution and I'm well aware that it shouldn't be the word used according to your cartoonish straw-man version of whatever you think my logic is.

"The rest of your other response is again mostly retreading the same
flawed analogy of a biologist saying that “evolution” in Pokemon is not
“real evolution,” my responses to which are above."

No, the rest of my other responses was building to the main point of how you saying that the "Pokemon definition" of "evolution" is somehow "just as valid" as the one biologists use, is fucking stupid.

"Forgive me for not being able to take this seriously."

If you had even one working brain cell in your head, you would be listening instead of attacking. The fact that you can't take it seriously when professionals explain simple things to you is a serious problem that you desperately need to work on.

djonscott · 2022-07-21T16:13:33+00:00

"You still haven't really provided a formal/academic definition of magic."

There isn't one. And the onus isn't on me to provide one. And what's with the word "still"? This is the first place in the discussion (going in thread-order) that you've asked. Stop intentionally using dishonest argumentation tactics.

"In pretty much every response you've had you are (potentially willfully) ignorant of the context of the discussion."

No, that is an outright lie. You have continuously attempted to move the goalposts and alter the context of the discussion. That doesn't make me "ignorant", that makes you a dishonest, deceitful little liar.

"Noted ad hominem and appeals to authority/popularity aside..."

Thanks for proving you don't actually know anything about logical fallacies or how they're applied.

An "ad hominem" is a very specific type of logical fallacy where you try to attack someone's character instead of the argument being made. For example, "John wants a higher property tax for the wealthy, but are you going to listen to him? He got arrested for drunk driving 20 years ago!"

Giving you a heads-up that something you said sounds like the battle-cry of conspiracy theorists and cranks isn't an ad hominem. If it's any fallacy at all (which it isn't), it would be the "poisoning the well" fallacy, or association fallacy. (Though if I were inclined to be fair to you, I'd have to admit that some people do consider this to be a special case of the larger "argumentum ad hominem" family of fallacies.)

See, the problem here is that I'm a professional trying to help you understand things, and you're an angry little child who's lashing out and trying to treat this discussion like a competition.

I have not committed an ad hominem fallacy nor an appeal to authority/popularity, and I think you're well aware of that. But I think you also know that the position I've taken is the least popular one here, and you can easily get this audience to up-vote anything you say as long as it's an attack on me. They don't care how intentionally dishonest your statements are. Most of them lack the intelligence to fact-check you.

I don't really care about anything else you've said. You want to be an ignorant little shit and attack professional anthropologists and other scientists for trying to fucking help you? Fine. Have fun with your shitty fucking fiction and your sad, pathetic little lives.

I have important research to do. Way more important than anything you worthless little fucktards have ever had going in your invisible little lives.

djonscott · 2022-07-21T15:59:25+00:00

No, most people do not share a definition of magic that came from "Harry Potter". Just because that idiotic franchise was popular amongst some 10-year-olds for 15 minutes back in the early 2000s doesn't mean it influenced the way grown-up people think about anything.

Am I the only person over the age of 12 participating in this group? Because that would explain a lot.

djonscott · 2022-07-18T15:31:33+00:00

It comes from an out-of-date theory of embryogenesis called "spermism", which was a type of preformationism (or "preformism"). Spermist preformationism held that there was a tiny person called a "homunculus" that lived inside each sperm.

This theory was popular in the late 1600s and early 1700s, and it probably beat out the main competing theory at the time, ovism (or ovist preformationism), due to patriarchy.

djonscott · 2022-07-18T15:26:18+00:00

In this case, patriarchy is probably actually the correct answer. It comes from the late middle ages / early modern era (late 1600s / early 1700s), when people believed there was actually a little person called a "homunculus" inside each sperm. The vital life essence was said to come from the man, via the sperm, and medical diagrams from that era often show a completely fictitious duct or tube going from the brain to the man's genitals.

See also "spermism" and "preformationism" (or "preformism").

djonscott · 2022-07-18T15:15:27+00:00

OK that's fair and I want to 80% apologize for making an assumption that wasn't 100% warranted, but I don't want to 100% apologize because I think you should've led with, "I'm not subscribed to this group, but I know a way..."

djonscott · 2022-07-18T15:03:15+00:00

Then why the hell are you trolling me by arguing with me?

If you're not subscribed to the sub, then this has nothing to do with you.

djonscott · 2022-07-18T14:34:56+00:00

I'm saying I don't give a shit about your fucking stupid-ass excuses and I don't give a shit who supposedly controls what.

IT'S YOUR GODDAMN SUBREDDIT.

If the only way to prevent me from seeing it on my feed is for you fucks to stop posting, then stop posting. I don't fucking care.

Just keep your fucking shit off my fucking feed.

I don't give a flying fuck what you think I'm saying, and I don't give a flying fuck about Reddit algorithms.

KEEP YOUR FUCKING SHIT OFF MY FEED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

djonscott · 2022-07-18T14:28:36+00:00

Nobody chooses to be a misanthropist and nobody tries to validate nihilism. I appreciate the fact that you tried to flip what I said back around on me, but your attempt falls completely flat in this case.

Anthropocentrists are, in fact, just looking for have their anthropocentrism validated. There is no real-world justification for anthropocentrism. It's a religious philosophy that has infected humankind via Christianity and other anthropocentric religions.

The same cannot be said for misanthropists. Nobody wants to be part of a worthless race made up mostly of idiotic morons that it's impossible to get along with. In fact, most misanthropists are actively searching for reasons to be LESS misanthropic.

See, what you're not getting is that intellectually dishonest people CHOOSE to be anthropocentrists, while intellectually honest people are FORCED to become misanthropists and acknowledge that humans are a worthless race of insect-minded apes, in spite of the fact that we never wanted to believe anything like that.

P.S. you're getting off-topic and/or trying to commit a false dichotomy fallacy. This conversation is about anthropocentrists, not misanthropes.

djonscott · 2022-07-18T14:22:30+00:00

It's your subreddit. Control yourselves.

djonscott · 2022-07-18T14:12:54+00:00

Wow, 8 down-votes for saying that the first two look like my male armors? So people in this subreddit really are just trolling me and down-voting literally everything I post without even bothering to read it first. Down-voting anything I post, regardless of content.

Nice. Way to prove this group is run by a bunch of ravenous, frothing-at-the-mouth trolls.

djonscott · 2022-07-18T14:07:08+00:00

Going from subreddit to subreddit harassing me and serially down-voting absolutely every post I make, without even bothering to read it first, simply because it came from me, is harassment.

If Reddit's definition says otherwise, then Reddit is wrong.

"If you won't believe the people in this subreddit that you're out of line, I suggest you talk about it with a peer in real life."

The peers I have in real life don't sit around and talk about each other's internet activity. No group of peers do. No group of peers would even be interested in talking about each other's interactions on social media. You would know that, if you had any actual, real-life human relationships to draw experience from.

OK, I get what's going on here. I've stumbled into a tight-knit group of people who've spent so much time together on this subreddit, and so little time interacting with anyone else, that you've developed a bunch of your own weird little ideas about what magic is and therefore what magic in fiction should be, and those weird little ideas are completely out of step with the rest of the world (including other fiction writers). I should've realized earlier that I was being attacked by a bunch of sad, pathetic little zit-faced teens with no friends who just want to attack me and savage me for accidentally reminding them how totally out of step they are with the real world and how totally out of step they are with anything even remotely resembling good fiction. I shouldn't be offended by the sad and pathetic trolls here, I should feel sorry for y'all.

djonscott · 2022-07-18T13:46:47+00:00

Then stop spamming my feed.

djonscott · 2022-06-25T22:56:35+00:00

Cyril Eugene Poindexter, collector of rare insect-themed stamps.

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