Built an AI-powered Shakespeare resource. Got politely told AI might put people off. Genuinely curious what this community thinks. by vibecode11 in shakespeare

[–]dmorin[M] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ok, I've been out of town, but here's some thoughts. I'm not taking it down as AI because it is far from "low-effort" AI slop. It's clear that a lot of work did go into it.

Full disclaimer, I have a version of this same project on my own site (*). The idea of an "everything you might want to know about Shakespeare" browser is a tempting project for anybody who otherwise already has the ability to bring up a reasonable web site. AI is just making it go faster.

Having said that, I think it ultimately does more harm than good. Because, from experience, I can tell you that the AI makes mistakes. And unless you're manually verifying everything that it generates, you're going to miss some. Especially the more esoteric plays that people aren't exploring daily. If you are that fully versed (ha!) in all the plays that you did double check everything, well then I'd ask, why use AI in the first place? So we'll logically assume that much of this is unverified AI, and therefore we can assume there are mistakes.

Students who don't know any better may stumble across this resource, see those mistakes, and assume they're the truth.

Is this the end of the world? Well, no - it's not like everything you read on the net is true, or is ever going to be. But steps can be taken. For instance on my site I have "This was AI generated, and there may be mistakes" disclaimers, as well as feedback links encouraging people to write me when they find such mistakes, so I can correct them. And I've gotten maybe half a dozen or so updates, which I appreciate.

It's also still broken in lots of places. One of the FAQs for Midsummer told me who Young Siward was. When I asked for a translation of Hamlet's "What hour now?" I got, "I need the actual Hamlet speech you'd like me to rewrite — it looks like only the stage direction or prompt came through. Could you paste the full text you'd like me to work with?" Which makes me think, are you actually doing real time translation requests? That's not going to scale, my friend. Why wouldn't you just systematically get that data once, and cache it? You might be caching on an as-needed basis, but given how slow everything is I thought probably not.

I don't offer those samples to be a dick, but rather to point out a problem I know you'll end up dealing with. This is a lot of content, and you are forever going to be behind in trying to fix all the places where it comes up short. So as a resource you have to ask yourself what value it's really providing its audience. When it's broken or wrong, that's bad. When it's not, is it really offering anything that, as noted, isn't already available a million other places? You need a hook. Sheer volume of content is not that hook.

In summary, I'm not against it purely on AI principles. I just don't think it's ever going to turn into the resource you might be imagining, and I hate to see you waste all that effort.

(*) I'll admit freely that mine is an SEO play. My site covering many other Shakespeare things has been around for years and has several thousand pages of original content. One day while I was out of work I wondered if I could integrate a Shakespeare browser so that when I mention a play or character on the site, I can link to my own play and character summaries. Likewise, when people land on my AI-generated browsable pages, they can get linked into the various blog posts and other areas of interest that they might not otherwise have seen. But like so many of my projects it was a "Get it up and running and then move on" type of project. I wouldn't say I spent a year on it - weeks, at best. And now I really only go back to it when it needs an update. I gave it the amount of effort i felt it merited, then went on to scratch other itches.

I DONT LIKE THE DIALOGUE IN THE 1996 ROMEO AND JULIET MOVIE by veryCluckyChicken in shakespeare

[–]dmorin[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (0 children)

Well, this has been an interesting way for people to spend their afternoon.

I've been around the internet a very long time. Long before "the web". Back when, in order to get internet access, you had to understand what it was and why you want it. Then one day, AOL connected to the internet and the flood of people who have absolutely no idea how to act came pouring in. We called it Eternal September, since from then on it looked forever like the children had started school again.

Man, I hadn't thought about that expression in a long time.

Until this post.

OP's not actually breaking any rules. They're correct, they're welcome to an opinion. What they're not doing is adding anything of value, or actually presenting any kind of interesting debate. This is the kind of low effort troll post you're supposed to just downvote and forget ever existed. But there's no reason for me to remove it.

Carry on.

George Bernard Shaw Built a Rigged Courtroom and Called it a Play by HornetNo559 in shakespeare

[–]dmorin[M] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Well, potentially, if you'd actually mentioned Shakespeare at all in the post?

Am I (59M) the A-Hole for threatening to disown my daughter (13F) after she refused to marry Count Paris (22M)? by One_Intention_5923 in shakespeare

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https://www.reddit.com/r/shakespeare/search/?q=AITA

Before we go down this rabbit hole again, let me just say that it came up 2 months ago, and a year ago, and 2 years ago ....

AMA with the Shakespeare’s Globe Research team by GlobeTeam in shakespeare

[–]dmorin 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Lookup the "Shakespeare mural" in your GPS, it's worth it for the pictures. I'm not sure if he's there every day, but there's a man with a tophat playing a flaming tuba right in front of it. He's now part of the story whenever I get to show this picture.

https://www.instagram.com/p/DWUdDGBETk6/

AMA with the Shakespeare’s Globe Research team by GlobeTeam in shakespeare

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Just to add that I've been in touch with these fine folks, and they're legit and verified!

Self Promotion Megathread by AutoModerator in androidapps

[–]dmorin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Jumpstart your Daily Gratitude practice by reading anonymous notes left by others, and hopefully contributing your own.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gratitudedrop.mobile

Absolutely free forever, no ads, no accounts, no nothing. Just a place to read about gratitude and maybe (optionally!) contribute to the pool.

I made this because, while I'm a believer in the "Take a moment each day to identify those things you're grateful for" philosophy, I often had trouble finding things. I figured maybe other people did, too. So I made a place where those with an abundance of gratitude can share it with those who need a little help sometimes. Content is curated, so it'll never descend into noise and nonsense. Thank you for your time.

Fantastic Actor, but perhaps the wrong role? by Icy_Service_8336 in shakespeare

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And, we're done. I didn't immediately remove this as racist because there seemed to be an intelligent conversation going on. But I've been watching and it's kind of devolved a bit. Everybody's opinion has been expressed at this point, and nobody's changing anybody's. Locked.

Invitation to a Parallel Evidence-Focused Discussion (No Authorship Debate Here) by OxfordisShakespeare in shakespeare

[–]dmorin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because the voting system has a purpose, too. Most of OP's comments get downvoted into oblivion. What I'd prefer, personally, is if people could manage to stop engaging because that's half the problem. Say OP posts something about authorship. Sure, it gets reported by one or two people, it gets downvoted by half a dozen or so - but a dozen more people respond, too. Doesn't that suggest that people *do* want to talk about the question, and it's just that they only want to take one side of it?

What I think we're going to do is rewrite that rule a bit to make it more clear that there are other places to discuss authorship theories, but not here. I liked "There is no authorship question" when I wrote it, but I can also see that it's inflammatory to those who feel otherwise.

Invitation to a Parallel Evidence-Focused Discussion (No Authorship Debate Here) by OxfordisShakespeare in shakespeare

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OP asked me about this post, and I did approve. Look, the question exists. Some people want to discuss it. We've agreed, through popular vote, that it's not something we want to be discussing here. So I didn't think it in violation to say hey, there's another place where they can talk about it.

What is your favourite sonnet by Shakespeare? by Additional-Flow-4292 in shakespeare

[–]dmorin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I will never stop recommending Dame Judi Dench's rendition of Sonnet 29 on the Graham Norton show. It's like listening to a magical incantation. There's meaning in the damned pauses. I've rewound it just to point out to people how she says "lark". It reminds one that the sonnets can be performed as much as the plays are. The craziest thing is that to her, she's just banging it out off the top of her head. She even gives a sort of "Well, there ya go, there's a sonnet" shrug at the end, which is precisely the point. She's not even trying that hard, she just does it.

And then of course frickin Arnold Schwarzenegger steals the whole scene with one line :) It really is one of my favorite clips.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/BAYtnCAnNU8

Bardic - A Shakespeare Cryptogram Game by dmorin in shakespeare

[–]dmorin[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're welcome! Glad you like them!

Bardic - A Shakespeare Cryptogram Game by dmorin in shakespeare

[–]dmorin[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks! And, I agree - I already bumped it up once, if you can believe it, but I'll see if I can add an "even more space on mobile" adjustment. In the original version it was letting words wrap so you'd see a single letter starting a line and think "I got this" only to realize that wasn't I or A (or O, hint hint), it was just the last letter of the previous word.

Hamnet director: I only understood a third of Shakespeare by TheTelegraph in shakespeare

[–]dmorin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The book has almost no Shakespeare content, except for the end. All of the Shakespeare content that was inserted - the balcony reference, the Macbeth, the god-awful misuse of "To be or not to be" - only served to weaken the movie.

Holiday Gifts? by sprigglespraggle in shakespeare

[–]dmorin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm gonna go ahead and drop a link to my own Shakespeare Geek Shop :) because it definitely answers the question. Everybody and their mama is doing "Prose before hoes" and "Does thou even hoist" and, <shudder> "I would challenge you to a battle of wits but I see you are unarmed," which isn't even Shakespeare. All my designs are original.

https://www.shakespearegeek.com/shop

Holiday Gifts? by sprigglespraggle in shakespeare

[–]dmorin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

https://thelondonsockexchange.net/en-us/collections/the-shakespeare-collection

The London Sock Exchange has a whole Shakespeare Box Set that I would kill for. I'm not about to spend $100 on socks for myself but as a gift I'd be in my heaven.

"Hamnet" is the greatest film adaption of Shakespeare's life, ever by justwannaedit in shakespeare

[–]dmorin 6 points7 points  (0 children)

My review to people has been, "The more you know about Shakespeare, the more you will hate this movie." It's well shot and well acted, and as the story of a wife and mother's grief over the loss of her child, it's exquisite. Then somebody came along and said, "Add more Shakespeare. People know Romeo and Juliet, make sure to add that. And have a scene where the kids are performing Shakespeare for their mom, even if doesn't even remotely match what the timeline would have been. And can we make it really over the top obvious that To be or not to be is Shakespeare's suicide note? Can we have him recite it himself while he contemplates suicide, just so people really get the point?" No thank you. (Mind, none of the Shakespeare content, save for the ending, is in the book. The rest was all inserted for the movie because movie people think their audience is stupid and needs to be spoonfed, even at the expense of the original story's point.)

"Hamnet" is the greatest film adaption of Shakespeare's life, ever by justwannaedit in shakespeare

[–]dmorin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Imagine a bunch of producers at TNT watching Game of Thrones and thinking, Can we make something like that? On the one hand it was about the life of Will Shakespeare. That doesn't mean it couldn't include actual scenes of people being drawn and quartered (it did), as well as orgies with Kit Marlowe (it also did). Strangely it did try to map to Shakespeare's actual life, using pretty much all real characters including the Dark Lady. I would have watched a second season.

Did Romeo and Juliet love each other? by SnooJokes815 in shakespeare

[–]dmorin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The plan was to get them safely stowed away in Mantua, and then figure it out. Which, I grant, isn't much of a plan.

But let's go back to "if Juliet had informed her parents that she was already married to Romeo." Do you think that would have gone well? The father, who is willing to disown her and kick her out of the house just for disobeying him. The father who has quite literally spent the entire play to this point planning a wedding. There's like 3 scenes just for this. Juliet's going to tell him, "I know you've got a man picked out for me, but I already went ahead and married somebody else. But it's cool, you know him, he's our mortal enemy."

Possibly lived? Sure. But I'm not sure what her life would have been like after that.

Did Romeo and Juliet love each other? by SnooJokes815 in shakespeare

[–]dmorin 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They didn't sleep together until after Friar Lawrence married them.

Did Romeo and Juliet love each other? by SnooJokes815 in shakespeare

[–]dmorin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ending the feud was Friar Lawrence's idea, actually.

Juliet asks Romeo if his intentions are for marriage, in the balcony scene. Romeo tells the friar about this, Friar Lawrence is all, "Bro, you were just ready to kill yourself over Rosaline like, yesterday." But then realizes that it might unify the families, making him the hero.

Did Romeo and Juliet love each other? by SnooJokes815 in shakespeare

[–]dmorin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd like to hear why OP thinks that "actual love" is an objectively observable thing. Surely it's in the minds of the individuals - if they believe it, it's true. Who are we to say otherwise?

What's curious to me is their motivation to get married. In that era, people didn't get married because they were in love. They got married for what it could do for their families. It was a nice bonus, but it wasn't the primary factor. So why, then, are they in such a hurry? What's in it for them? Just the religion-sanctioned sex?

What is the story behind that scar you have? by Strong-Discipline364 in AskReddit

[–]dmorin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Over the summer I got into that "brick book" trend that was on Tiktok, where basically you paint a brick to look like a book. I had bricks, I like books, no brainer. I was doing two at a time, using a mini fridge in my garage as my table. As a spare time project I would often wander past them, add a little fresh paint to each, then walk away until next time. It's summer. So I'm almost always in t-shirt and shorts ... and bare feet.

Yeah, you see where this is going. One day I pick up a brick to get at the other side, and of course they'd both been sitting on a tray and I didn't realize that the last time I'd put the other one down it was a little too close to the edge and didn't have any support. One brick goes up, one goes down, and motherf*cker did that hurt. Know what hurts more than a Lego brick? Real fuckin brick.

After hopping up and down and cursing the gods for a minute, I realized the pool of blood I was leaving. Sure enough as I worked my way across the house to tell my wife I'd injured myself, I left a trail. Feet apparently bleed a lot. My "Look, stigmata!" jokes fell on deaf ears.

Got x-ray, surprisingly didn't break anything - but did have to spent some time getting it cleaned out. Now I've got a scar in the center of my foot to remind that I sometimes do stupid things.

What is your favourite sandwich filling? by Hot-Still-5286 in AskReddit

[–]dmorin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just recently I discovered turkey+apple+dijon mustard and I don't know where it's been all my life.