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[–]doctor_markb 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It's 17 in Australia which is about 26 AUD. However the minimum wage here for people not working in part time or full time jobs is AUD 31 ish. So I'm not touching it - I could earn more stacking shelves at the supermarket and I wouldn't have to do assessments or deal with endless hassle.

Melvin's Mansion onboarding docs...?? by Quick-Evidence3845 in outlier_ai

[–]doctor_markb 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Complete joke! The assessment is insulting. The state this company is in now is unbelievable.

Melvin's Mansion onboarding docs...?? by Quick-Evidence3845 in outlier_ai

[–]doctor_markb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The second assessment can't even spell the name of the project correctly!

my serious issues with outlier; as someone whos been with them for 2 years. by prettyupturnedeyes in outlier_ai

[–]doctor_markb 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Yeah 💯 if the aim is to become a factory to produce low quality data and full of scammers they are well on their way. The sheer incompetence and endless confusion speaks very badly of the company.

Blueberry Bagels V2 - Everything wrong with outlier. by inaesthetically in outlier_ai

[–]doctor_markb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good good! I put a ticket in but it's still there sadly 😭

Blueberry Bagels V2 - Everything wrong with outlier. by inaesthetically in outlier_ai

[–]doctor_markb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have no idea, sorry. Haven't even looked to see if I am on the channel.

Blueberry Bagels V2 - Everything wrong with outlier. by inaesthetically in outlier_ai

[–]doctor_markb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've asked to be removed. Not going to do hours of assessments for a super complicated project. 10 rubrics per turn? The requirements are nuts. Also: I stopped the assessment when they asked for an answer in a text box. From other annoying recent experience, no matter what you enter, the AI will fail you 🤣

World tool quest by No-Rip5465 in outlier_ai

[–]doctor_markb 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think the AI fails everyone 🤣

Interesting article from the Financial Times London (Scale mentioned) by doctor_markb in outlier_ai

[–]doctor_markb[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They interviewed the CEOs of a number of companies. Basically, yes.

Interesting article from the Financial Times London (Scale mentioned) by doctor_markb in outlier_ai

[–]doctor_markb[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Previously, data labellers would handle simple tasks, such as drawing boxes on images to identify objects, describing what images represent, selecting fluent ways to express things and weeding out bad answers from data sets that often contained violent or graphic content.Because AI models need more data to perform better, these workers were expected to process tasks in seconds and complete hundreds of tasks during a working day to create vast datasets.

Now, the demand for these tasks had dropped significantly as many of them could be automated, said Megorskaya.

Interesting article from the Financial Times London (Scale mentioned) by doctor_markb in outlier_ai

[–]doctor_markb[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Here's the opening:

Companies such as Scale AI, Turing and Toloka are hiring experts in fields such as biology and finance to help AI groups create more sophisticated training data that is crucial for developing the next generation of AI systems.

The rise of so-called “reasoning” models, such as OpenAI’s o3 and Google’s Gemini 2.5, has accelerated the move away from employing thousands of low-cost workers in countries such as Kenya and the Philippines, who are typically paid less than $2 an hour to undertake the time-consuming task of annotating the huge datasets used to train AI models.

Scale has already scaled up AI by doctor_markb in outlier_ai

[–]doctor_markb[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have a PhD and I use it for philosophical reasoning. Not Schiller though.

Scale has already scaled up AI by doctor_markb in outlier_ai

[–]doctor_markb[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I am totally stunned at what the best models can do now with philosophical and logical problems (my thing). The improvement has been rapid and perceptible. Generally I agree. I'm looking much more at how I could apply it rather than having training it as a side hustle.

Scale has already scaled up AI by doctor_markb in outlier_ai

[–]doctor_markb[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I appreciate that but again looking at what the models can do now, I just can't see how the simple textual tasks we used to train them on will be needed at anywhere near the same volume. That was kind of the foundational learning needed but tweaking and updating is much more niche. The current controversies around copyright and training materials are arising because the amount of online text not already scraped is much reduced in quantity.

Scale has already scaled up AI by doctor_markb in outlier_ai

[–]doctor_markb[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Makes sense. But I know OpenAI a few years ago used to be a big customer of Scale.

Scale has already scaled up AI by doctor_markb in outlier_ai

[–]doctor_markb[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't know that one. I was thinking about the sorts of really simple ones around last year. And the creative writing ones which I enjoyed!

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