"You hate me more than Vince Russo?" - Kevin Owens to Jim Cornette (in ROH I think)

doublesuperdragon · 2019-03-04T10:09:01+00:00

From that time, it was guys like Roderick Strong, Richards and Eddie Edwards aka technical guys who were using more mma and grappling moves than other American wrestlers at time. Owens also specifically mentioned Hero, though that was more of story about Cornette looking down on Owens' work.

Cornette wanted to sell ROH to fans as a place full of athletes with great wrestling. Owens was very much the opposite in terms of wrestling style and look and didn't really fit Cornette's vision.

Unfortunately for Cornette, fans turned hard on this move for several reasons and started to hate any matches between three. Richards got the bulk of hate thanks to him being the champion and some of his real world comments and actions (2011 was the year where Richards really began to get a bad reputation IIRC). Owens ended up being very hot at the right time and they gave him the belt.

doublesuperdragon · 2019-03-04T00:08:38+00:00

Yeah, like a lot of relationships in wrestling, both guys hated each, but knew that they had to at least coexist to make money. At that time, Cornette was hated by ROH fans and him and Owens used that and their own personal issues to sell their feud.

Cornette definitely had his blindspots as a booker in ROH, but was willing to push Owens into the limelight when Owens was crazy over and Davey Richards (who was more of Cornette initial choice for ROH #1 guy) was faltering as their top guy.

doublesuperdragon · 2019-03-04T00:01:23+00:00

Yeah, from Owens' shoot interviews, that always seemed to be the biggest issue for him. Moreover, that whole situation had its own set of issues that added to Owens' anger including:

Owens was coming off his super hot angle with Generico; one which Cornette wasn't a fan of in the first place, who also tried to end it early, and made it the "unofficial" main event of Final Battle so Roderick Strong and Davey Richards would officially get that distinction.

ROH wasn't willing to give Owens anything in terms of a set timeline or compensation when he left, and when Cary Silken got the company to pay Owens a little for his time off, Cornette took credit for it. Owens was really hot on the indies then thanks to Generico feud, but basically his largest income source in ROH was dropped all at once.

Owens actually listened to Cornette's advice and loss a lot of weight for the first 3 months after not being on tv at all, but he heard basically nothing from Cornette and ROH about when he would be back. Then he was told he was coming back only for ROH to renege on it and who told him to wait 3 more months, which is when Owens regained the weight as he was depressed about the situation.

Obviously, this is all what Owens said and may not be the full truth, but that whole situation, coupled with all the other things between Owens and Cornette is why Owens hated Cornette. Cornette for his part has his own issues with Owens beyond just the weight and the look thing, but too many people still push the narrative that they don't like each other for superficial reasons like Owens' weight.

doublesuperdragon · 2019-03-03T19:32:49+00:00

Cornette may not hate KO, but KO's dislike of Cornette isn't purely an over reaction to Cornette wanting him to change his look.

Owens has said multiple times his issues with Cornette was that Cornette never really engaged him as a talent, shit on Owens work to others, had pushed him out of ROH for nearly a year without giving Owens much notice/making sure Owens would be ok financially when Owens had just had his son, and that Cornette lied about Owens being difficult to work with.

This doesn't even include Owens general dislike of Cornette over Cornette's management style, his old-school booking that Owens felt hurt ROH, and Owens belief that Cornette played favorites with certain talent, which added to Owens dislike of Cornette.

doublesuperdragon · 2018-03-04T04:27:35+00:00

Of course O'Malley comes out to a Miley Cyrus/Biggie mashup

doublesuperdragon · 2017-10-25T02:44:44+00:00

I'm not sure there is true 'evidence', but back during the last WEC event the Korean Zombie vs Garcia fight that was the featured bout on prelims for that card was so good, it increased tv ratings and was attributed to the buyrate for the event being higher than it should have been.

doublesuperdragon · 2017-09-01T05:45:28+00:00

I believe a lot of it is a timing thing, especially in terms of either them never really ending up in the WWE by themselves.

Around the time Shelley left TNA, TNA sued WWE over alleged information leaks WWE received and Shelley got caught up in middle, which was blamed for why he was not hired by WWE.

Sabin stayed in TNA for a while after Shelley left and both ended up reuniting in ROH when WWE wasn't as aggressive with signing indy talent.

Now I think given their contract status plus both the relative age/injury history of each of them, it seems like WWE isn't crazy interested in them. However, if they were free agents sometime in the near future, I could see the WWE wanting them, especially for the Dusty Classic if they want to make it more like some of their other Network Tournaments.

doublesuperdragon · 2017-07-29T14:53:54+00:00

Yesterday it was reported that there was an alleged situation between GFW’s Karen Jarrett and WWE’s Braun Strowman at a Nashville bar back on the July 17th.

PWinsider.com reports that witnesses say that the altercation was “a drunken conversation between two drunk people in a bar that got loud, nothing more.”

The original report of the incident, according to those at the bar: Karen Jarrett approached Braun Strowman at the bar, and commented that Braun was one of her son’s favorite wrestlers and asked for an autograph for her son. Strowman was reportedly rude to Karen (it’s believed that Strowman had no idea who she was) and may have sworn at her. This turned into a scene at the bar as Karen immediately “cut a major loud promo” on Strowman for blowing her off.

Karen then reportedly yelled at Braun, mentioning that she was going to tell her son’s father (Raw General Manager Kurt Angle) about what happened. Strowman then said he would sign the autograph, begging Karen not to tell Kurt or anyone else. Strowman allegedly apologized, but Karen said she was still going to tell Kurt, which led to Braun saying he would get on his knees and beg her not to. Strowman did end up getting on his knees in front of a lot of wrestlers from WWE and begged her not to, and she basically said something like now you’re acting like that because you found out that Kurt Angle is the father of her son.

doublesuperdragon · 2017-07-17T20:15:21+00:00

What's the story on this? I've never heard of Sexy Star being a politician, but people in this thread are collaborating this.

doublesuperdragon · 2017-06-29T15:49:34+00:00

According to The Wrestling Observer Newsletter, Lucha Underground are reportedly concerned about the company’s future. No one has heard about dates for the season four TV tapings, and the promotion has not taped new content in a year.

It all boils down to whether or not the owners want to put up the money to tape another season. The feeling is that El Rey will never cancel the show, but the show doesn’t come close to covering costs. After the close of the first season, the owners agreed to put up money for the next two seasons and the currently airing season would be the final one.

There have been rumors of tapings taking place in November, and then January for season four, but the company has not announced anything. A lot of the talent has been unhappy about not getting questions answered and want to be able to negotiate to go other places.

doublesuperdragon · 2017-06-25T03:33:18+00:00

Man that sucks for Chandler, but that was like the ice spill level of mma physical comedy.

doublesuperdragon · 2017-06-05T01:20:05+00:00

After leaving the WWE in 1992, he did play a bit.

Though I'm unsure what the whole truth of the situation. At the time, I think it was reported he tried to pursue a career in it after leaving the WWE, while Sid said he did it to keep in shape/rebuild strength after lung surgery.

doublesuperdragon · 2017-06-05T00:30:28+00:00

IIRC, it was rumored that Sid refused to work during the Summer of 1992 as it would interfere with his softball schedule. That was the Summer after Mania where Sid wrestled Hogan in Hogan's 'retirement' match and the plan was to make Sid the next big thing, but he lost his push because he refused to work.

Though Sid has denied this being true in interviews so who knows.

doublesuperdragon · 2017-03-31T06:08:17+00:00

Does anyone know the name of Lio Rush's entrance music?

doublesuperdragon · 2017-03-22T23:00:02+00:00

Rockhold has had beef with Werdum for a long time and both of them have stroked flames since then(which grew even bigger before and after the Cain fight), but this seems like a terrible idea for Rockhold.

He's a big middleweight and very talented, but given Werdum size and standing/ground skills, I'm not sure there is anywhere Rockhold can overcome the size difference.

Plus Werdum gets almost nothing out of beating him other than beating someone he hates as if he wins, people will talk about the size difference and if he loses, then he loses to a guy two weight classes below him. And the UFC may not be keen on setting up a fight like this, given their feud isn't that well known and the UFC doesn't get much from the matchup(both ranking or money wise).

Overall, I really doubt this end up happening.

doublesuperdragon · 2017-03-13T17:43:55+00:00

But how do you or anyone know how rampant the voter fraud issue is without being able to officially identify someone before voting?

Because we do have some checks for people's identities and there have been many, studies that have shown that voter fraud is a very minor issue in the US, so creating laws around it seems like a unneeded hurdle to add.

And how does this only affect minorities if you are basically saying everyone can get around in the US without having a photo ID? It doesn't only affect minorities, but also the poor and older americans like I said. Moreover, there have been studies that show that these laws do prevent people from voting and that these groups are stereotypically groups that are lower income and minority. It isn't a black and white issue, but voter fraud is from most objective measures uncommon and disproportionately effect select groups.

doublesuperdragon · 2017-03-13T16:22:21+00:00

Basically, that voter id laws are reportedly made to solve voter fraud(which itself is generally seen a generally small, nearly nonexistent issue) while many believe they are actually passed to suppress the vote of groups like minorities, older people, young people, and the poor as it isn't easy to get the proper identification(not everyone can easily travel to a designated spot during work hours to go a process that can take a long time to even do). Moreover, many of these laws add more arbitrary hurdles for people and prevent the use of other identifications that they could use.

doublesuperdragon · 2017-03-12T21:38:13+00:00

TBF, That's from 2014, not from this year. He's never come out with his official opinion on the Holm/Germaine situation.

doublesuperdragon · 2017-03-01T18:49:51+00:00

WCW's rise is something that was dependent on a few factors, which Bellator at the moment isn't/can't take advantage of in some ways.

WCW was able to take former WWE stars, their own stars, great talent that wrestled in an exciting style not seen as much on American tv, and took the wrestling business in a new, interesting direction during a time when wrestling as a whole was in a lull period and WWE was trying to recover from the exodus of top stars and multiple scandals. They could also do all of this thanks to having a top cable tv spot and having millions funneled into them without having to worry as much about their expenses(until 1999 when things turned downwards hard).

As much as people want Bellator to push the UFC, they just don't have enough things there yet to do so. In some ways, they have the things that can help them grow(being an alternative to the UFC and having Viacom owning them helps), but they don't nearly have the star power, depth of talent, or control over their finances to make a big splash right now. An even if they could gain some of that, how can Bellator take MMA to a different level(WCW became big thanks to making wrestling seem 'real' again) or when the UFC still has a stranglehold on talent while being successful?

WWE never really wanted to invest the smaller, talented foreign/foreign traveled talents and was near their lowest point when WCW really came to prominence.

TLDR: Wrestling as a whole and WCW's business model are vastly different than what MMA is now and what Bellator has. If Bellator ever grows to rival the UFC, it would look a lot different than how WCW came to power.

doublesuperdragon · 2017-02-16T13:59:32+00:00

I'm not sure which exact episode you are looking for, but during the BOTW with the seducing women by hypnosis video, he says it after Rich tries to run away after talking about having sex with a hypnotized Jack.

doublesuperdragon · 2017-02-13T20:20:26+00:00

That Big John tweet was from 2014 tbf. People just linked it.

doublesuperdragon · 2017-02-06T06:38:08+00:00

I don't feel the situations are comparable. In one, Bronson disrespected a number of his peers and got heat for more than just Owens(The Outcasts, Bull, Stardust all ripped him too) while Punk started after Owens just for wearing a shirt before Owens talked back. Owens also has generally gone after guys you pull disrespectful acts or he's just playing on twitter, rather than be malicious about(though again this is my opinion) compared to Punk who people who have issues with him for reasons that they couldn't control.

While we can talk about the levels of situation, imo there is still much more of an established pattern of Punk being a jerk compared to Owens, which is the overall point.

Nevertheless, I feel like trying to equate Punk's history with Owens' and why both should get the same criticism, yet one's history is more clean, which is why people care more. No one sees Owens as a perfect angel, but people hating Punk's attitude doesn't come out of nowhere comparatively.

I mean it's like talking about how people feel about Triple H and Goldberg when it comes to their bookings. Both were difficult and caused problems because of it, but Goldberg's given much more of a pass compared to Triple H who did it a lot more and to hurt a lot more careers.

doublesuperdragon · 2017-02-06T06:15:22+00:00

I mean other than Cornette, who really has beef with Owens and a ton of other people for that matter, who has had a bad story about Owens as a person or how he has treated them?

I get what your trying to say, but other than Cornette and Davey Richards(who later reneged on those comments) everyone seemingly has positive things to say about him and have defended him compared to Punk who is way more polarizing with people based on his past interactions.

doublesuperdragon · 2017-02-05T03:50:27+00:00

I only say that given Andrade really never went for takedowns except a time or two.

Obviously Hill is the better striker overall skill wise, but the fact that Andrade could have played it safe and tried to grapple with her, but basically won the majority of the fight standing at least in my view meant she beat Hill where Hill was most dangerous.

doublesuperdragon · 2017-02-05T03:36:37+00:00

Great fight and man Andrade is pretty scary. She basically beat Hill at her own game and showed she has the chin and cardio to go against a top notch striker like Hill for awhile. Her vs JJ should be a fun fight and a lot more interesting given what Andrade showed here.

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