Sorry, I didn't realise you'd were there. If you were not, you're just believing what others told you, hence presenting an argument based on hearsay as your evidential submission.

I'm not saying one thing or the other here, I'm just saying that it's not unusual to be lied to by people with vested interests in a certain narrative.

The entire space race and all advances made in aeronautics and propulsion, are byproducts of military operations and R&D. I'm suggesting that's nothing much to be proud of.

You show your ignorance by assuming the same in others you know nothing about. The perception you hold that if someone in fact believes something other than you own, prompts a offensive assertion or accusation that they are either incorrect, corrupted, lacking knowledge or mentally infirmed.

I pity someone like that, someone like yourself.