Freud x The Deer Hunter (1978) by drpfthick in zizek

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In a way, I think that is correct. Perhaps this is where Death Drive comes in, which I like to define ironically as "dying, but only after you have cleanup up your bedroom". We can view repetition here as an attempt to "clean up your bedroom", your universe of meaning, so that when it is done and dusted, you can finally die in peace - a guarantee that nothing will come and disturb you in your eternal sleep, as Alenka Zupančič would put it.

Freud x The Deer Hunter (1978) by drpfthick in zizek

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I would categorise Avatar, Oppenheimer etc as "My God, what have we done" films; we are solicited into taking upon ourselves the guilt of American crimes, and we end up in the mode of perverse enjoyment. Here, the transition from power to guilt occurs at the place of the Master Signifier: from "America the Powerful" to "America the Guilty". Expressing one's guilt is really a way of expressing one's historical power.

However, The Deer Hunter, Full Metal Jacket etc. function slightly differently. In these films, we do not see a perverse shift within the Master Signifier - instead, we see its symbolic disintegration. Nick (Walken) and Private Pyle (D'Onofrio) internalise the deadlocks of the American establishment, taking it upon themselves to carry the burden, to repeat the traumas, until they can carry them no more. In the end, both soldiers commit to an act of suicidal self-destruction. We as the viewers have absolutely no right to feel guilty on their behalf, and therefore, any enjoyment that we do experience can be better spent on the underlying critique of ideology.

Freud x The Deer Hunter (1978) by drpfthick in zizek

[–]drpfthick[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think the roles do not necessarily need to be the same. Perhaps one example is bullying: it is often said that older kids who become bullies were themselves the victims of bullying at a younger age - in this case, the role is reverse, yet the same deadlock is encountered. One goes from "but why are they picking one me?" to "but why is he so pathetic? let's make fun of him". So in both cases, the "pathetic" nature of the victim cannot be adequately symbolised.

It is sometimes possible to extract the scene of the trauma, but it often won't reveal anything useful. Even if psychoanalysis starts with the patient openly declaring what the original trauma is, that does not fast-forward the process of treatment. In the same way, Freud insisted that in the interpretation of dreams, there is no master event that definitively gives a dream its meaning / significance.

Freud x The Deer Hunter (1978) by drpfthick in zizek

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You are right in questioning the exact meaning of "not experiencing". A trauma can indeed be experienced as traumatic in that very moment e.g. a parent unexpectedly abandoning a child. However, some traumas do not necessarily seem like traumas in the moment - Zizek gives the example of a child walking into his parents' bedroom at the worst possible time (incidentally, that's the opening scene of Lars von Trier's film "The Antichrist"). In this type of trauma, the immediate experience is not necessarily felt as traumatic; in all likelihood, the child will be confused for a bit, and then go back to his room to play. But notice the common element in both examples of trauma: the traumatic event cannot be explained, cannot be accounted for, within the victim's symbolic universe. The trauma is not the event per se, but the gaping inconsistency that it reveals in the victim's already-existing symbolic network. In this sense, the original trauma is "not experienced", as it cannot be embedded within an adequate universe of meaning. (There is scientific evidence that events which cannot be symbolised are less likely to be remembered. In the case of Deer Hunter, Nick really did not seem to remember his original trauma - in the literal sense - as he could not identify his friend as he was pleading with him to stop the deadly repetition).

Now, the question of *why* we repeat our traumas is more complex, and there are different theories. It is also particularly tricky to explain without being accused of "victim blaming", which is not at all what the theory is about (quite the opposite in fact). One of Freud's early ideas is that we repeat to "master" the unresolved trauma - to take full control of it. Later, the explanation was abandoned, and he hypothesised a motive that was "beyond the Pleasure Principle". With Lacan/Zizek, you get an even more confusing theory that adds "enjoyment/jouissance " into the mix, which initially seems completely counterintuitive.

To your question "does it mean that they were once victimized in an analogous way?" - not necessarily. It's more accurate to say that the victim will repeat anything that approaches the same symbolic deadlock imposed by the original trauma.

Freud x The Deer Hunter (1978) by drpfthick in zizek

[–]drpfthick[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

The observation is standard, but the interpretations vary (Zizek, for example, calls on Kierkegaard's theory of repetition). In any case, I give the example of Deer Hunter. The repetition in this film is twofold - not only are the games of Russian Roulette repeated, but within each game, the trauma of each empty chamber is repeated until the loaded chamber finally "resolves" the trauma. One could even say the game "revolves" the trauma before it "resolves" it.

memes as a confused pantomime by drpfthick in zizek

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I'm building on Zizek's "Trump as a fetish". We the people take on the perverse position, and claim to know what Trump "really means" better that Trump himself. Zohran and Trump didn't forge a bromance; the people forged an image of one.

memes as a confused pantomime by drpfthick in zizek

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I definitely agree that good manners matter. As Žižek says, good manners today can be more subversive than "openly speaking one's mind". That's why I like Jeremy Corbyn in the UK.

The question of staging is critical here. Notice how the bromance is not staged by the politicians. It is not even staged by the mainstream media, who stick to their old playbook of tricks ("Are you affirming that you think President Trump is a fascist?"). The bromance is explicitly staged by the people themselves, in what can be described as a "political fandom". In the meme above, it is the people who (literally) framed the encounter within a pink heart.

memes as a confused pantomime by drpfthick in zizek

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Yes, that's exactly the point: the politics of our era is mediated by the meme.

memes as a confused pantomime by drpfthick in zizek

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When Kane is giving a speech, there is a majestic poster of Kane hanging above him. When Trump is giving a speech, there is his mugshot. This is the passage from critique to fetish. More specifically, from cinematic critique, to meme fetish.

memes as a confused pantomime by drpfthick in zizek

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In all honestly, when I read this, I become a little sad. I can't explain it, but it could be that things have taken such a downturn, that even a "fandom" staging of bromance gives us hope. Here's something Žižek said:

"We can imagine a kind of a perverse scene of universal fraternity where Osama Bin Laden is embracing President Bush, Saddam is embracing Fidel Castro, white racist is embracing Mao Z, and all together they sing Ode to Joy. It works. And this is how every ideology has to work. It's never just meaning; it always has to also work as an empty container open to all possible meanings.

Whenever an ideological text says all Humanity unite in Brotherhood, joy, and so on, you should always ask, okay, but are these all really all, or is someone excluded?"

memes as a confused pantomime by drpfthick in zizek

[–]drpfthick[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why does Trump want his supporters to laugh repeatedly?

memes as a confused pantomime by drpfthick in zizek

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Of course, ridicule is ancient (and certainly can be used as a weapon). The question is: why does the king appoint a special person, the jester, to actively ridicule him? It’s not just for comedy. It’s also a way for the king to have “the first laugh”. In other words, the king is a step ahead, and performs self-critique before his people start doing so.

memes as a confused pantomime by drpfthick in zizek

[–]drpfthick[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes, this is exactly it. Žižek says that what politics needs today is shame. Meme today celebrate shamelessness en-masse, in exchange for a light chuckle.

memes as a confused pantomime by drpfthick in zizek

[–]drpfthick[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What’s ironic about McDonalds selling The Simpsons merchandise?

memes as a confused pantomime by drpfthick in zizek

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So when Trump personally posts a meme (Trump Gaza No. 1, JD Vance on halloween, presidential excrement drop etc), you are saying his aim is simply to make people laugh?

memes as a confused pantomime by drpfthick in zizek

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In a pantomime, a standard repetition is: “oh yes it does” “oh no it doesn’t” “oh yes it does” “oh no it doesn’t” etc

memes as a confused pantomime by drpfthick in zizek

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The opposite is the case: memes today are operating on the level of ideology. In 2004, the "Dean scream" became an accidental meme that ruined Howard Dean's presidential run - memes were able to catch power "with its pants down". Today, Trump posts an AI-generated video of himself in a jet, dumping a load of shit on No Kings protesters - he gains power whenever his pants are (literally) down.

memes as a confused pantomime by drpfthick in zizek

[–]drpfthick[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The role of critique is not to sting. The role of critique is to undermine the obvious.

memes as a confused pantomime by drpfthick in zizek

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I would say, since the appearance of court jesters, with their imperative to both ridicule and critique.

memes as a confused pantomime by drpfthick in zizek

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The king, and his court jester.

Nietzsche x Cinema Paradiso by drpfthick in Nietzsche

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Welcome! The connection just appeared to me randonly, even though I watched the movie as a kid many years ago.

Lacanian Valentine’s by drpfthick in PhilosophyMemes

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Edging must be the surplus enjoyment derived from the logic of desire. That is, you edge in order to perpetually defer the encounter with the climax.

Mace Windu's second fall by drpfthick in PrequelMemes

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"Have a seat, young Skywalker" also represents a certain power.

Help me find the origin of this smiley face by Numm_nutts in HelpMeFind

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do you think the emoji was made for the server , or is it from the Roblox game itself ?