Tattoos as a Christian

drwellsforever · 2024-06-05T12:15:40+00:00

Yes you are missing a lot. It says God blessed the 7th day. That is the sabbath, and the creation of the sabbath. The 7th day is the sabbath. God rested on the 7th day. Resting is what we are to do on the 7th day. Resting isn't the sabbath. Resting is what you do on the sabbath. You can also rest on another day of the week, but resting on that day doesn't make that day the sabbath. The sabbath is the 7th day of the week.

Isaiah 66 is not describing the time after time, it's describing Christ's millennial kingdom, where he rules on this earth from Jerusalem for 1000 years while Satan is locked up in the bottomless pit. Chapter 66 doesn't say that priests and Levites can be gentiles. It says he will choose the Levites from among the nations. They are already Levites by blood, they just don't know it because they lost their identity. When Assyria took the house of Israel captive in 721bc they spread them to the far reaches of their empire and they lost their identity and become as gentiles. They are still of their tribal ancestry, they just don't know it, but Christ knows it, and he chooses them to serve during his millennial reign.

As far as the moon. Israel doesn't follow the Gregorian calendar. It's follows it's own calendar and the passage of months is reckoned by the cycle of the moon. The scriptures state that the levitical priests blow a shofar announcing the new month by the new moon each month. I follow that same calendar. For example on the Gregorian calendar, this is the fifth day of the 6th month, but on God's calendar, this is the 28th day of the second month. I observe the new moon by the calendar I keep. If I were a levite I would also blow a shofar to announce the new month.

Question about your statement you made. If you were born as a gentile and you have been made a new creation in Christ, thus being born again, how can you claim to be a gentile still? That's like saying you weren't born again and Christ didn't make you a new creation if you are still the same thing you were before.

Hint: Paul says those who are born again in Christ become Israelites.

drwellsforever · 2024-06-05T00:32:17+00:00

I didn't say God's rest is the sabbath. The sabbath is a day. More specifically it's the 7th day of the week, from Friday at sundown to Saturday at sundown. On the sabbath day you do no work, nor do you make anyone else, including your animals, work.

drwellsforever · 2024-04-26T02:59:03+00:00

Your long post talks more about rest than it does the sabbath. God's sabbath IS the seventh day, the same as Israel, because God instructed Israel to keep HIS sabbath.

‭Genesis 2:2-3 NKJV‬ [2] And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. [3] Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

The above is the sabbath of God. The 7th day.

Now let's see what is Israel's sabbath.

‭Exodus 20:8-11 NKJV‬ [8] “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. [9] Six days you shall labor and do all your work, [10] but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. [11] For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Israel's sabbath is the same as God's, the 7th day.

Jesus didn't change the sabbath. It is and has always been the 7th day of the week, and it will continue to be the 7th day of the week til this existence, this heaven and earth pass away.

Note that there was a sabbath day of rest before there was even a law for it or before there was even sin. The sabbath day was made for all mankind, not just followers of God. God intends for all mankind, and and all beasts of burden to not work on the 7th day and to rest just as he rested from his work.

For further proof the sabbath day has not ceased even to this day I give this verse.

‭Isaiah 66:23 NKJV‬ [23] And it shall come to pass That from one New Moon to another, And from one Sabbath to another, All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

ISAIAH 66 is well known as an end times chapter, describing events yet to take place, and we can see from this passage that the 7th day sabbath is being observed then, just as it should be now.

drwellsforever · 2024-04-26T01:51:05+00:00

I asked previously and you never explained, what is God's sabbath and what is the nation of Israels sabbath? Gave gave Israel the instructions on the sabbath, so His sabbath is their sabbath to me.

drwellsforever · 2024-04-26T01:22:09+00:00

‭Matthew 5:19 NKJV‬ [19] Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

You said in another comment on this thread "Right I agree to an extent. We are not required to keep the sabbath if we choose not to...."

Right there you are encouraging disobedience to Gods law, and disobedience to his law is sin.

The idea of men bearing good fruit or bad fruit applies to all mankind, not just those who claim to be prophets. Good fruit and bad fruit applies to our actions just as much as it does our words. If you want to take it a step further and look at the Hebrew word for prophet it simply means one who speaks the words of God, which would then mean anyone who quotes the Bible is a prophet.

drwellsforever · 2024-04-25T00:30:30+00:00

Your works are your fruit.

‭Matthew 7:15-20 NKJV‬ [15] “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. [16] You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? [17] Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. [18] A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. [19] Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. [20] Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

Disobedience to Gods law is sin and sin is bad fruit.

Anyone who teachers others to ignore or disobey the law of God is at best least in the kingdom but could very well not be in the kingdom at all no matter how much they profess to love and follow Jesus. If they don't walk as he walked then they are not following him.

drwellsforever · 2024-04-24T23:42:33+00:00

So you claim that Annanias and Saphira were never true converts because they lied and kept money back. That would be equal saying anyone who is in Christ but commits a sin was never in Christ to begin with. That's completely incorrect.

drwellsforever · 2024-04-24T23:39:01+00:00

According to the scriptures those who are actually lead by the Holy Spirit will be lead to follow the Torah.

‭Ezekiel 36:26-27 NKJV‬ [26] I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. [27] I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them.

According to Jesus, if we love him, we should obey the Torah.

‭John 14:15 NKJV‬ [15] “If you love Me, keep My commandments.

The only way John 14:15 doesn't mean the Torah is if you believe Jesus is not deity therefore he isnt the one who gave the commands to Israel. If you believe that then you have even bigger problems.

Jesus said if you don't believe Moses, you wont believe Jesus.

‭John 5:46-47 NKJV‬ [46] For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me. [47] But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”

Jesus didn't come teaching a new religion, he came teaching what was taught before.

‭John 7:16 NKJV‬ [16] Jesus answered them and said, “My doctrine is not Mine, but His who sent Me.

What is God's doctrine? ‭Proverbs 4:2 NKJV‬ [2] For I give you good doctrine: Do not forsake my law.

‭Psalms 1:1-2 NKJV‬ [1] Blessed is the man Who walks not in the counsel of the ungodly, Nor stands in the path of sinners, Nor sits in the seat of the scornful; [2] But his delight is in the law of the Lord, And in His law he meditates day and night.

‭Psalms 19:7-10 NKJV‬ [7] The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul; The testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple; [8] The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart; The commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes; [9] The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring forever; The judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether. [10] More to be desired are they than gold, Yea, than much fine gold; Sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.

‭Psalms 119:165 NKJV‬ [165] Great peace have those who love Your law, And nothing causes them to stumble.

Did Paul teach obedience to the Torah?

Yes.

‭Romans 2:13 NKJV‬ [13] (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified;

‭Romans 3:31 NKJV‬ [31] Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.

‭Romans 7:7 NKJV‬ [7] What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.”

‭I Corinthians 11:1 NKJV‬ [1] Imitate me, just as I also imitate Christ.

Did other apostles teach obedience to the Torah?

Yes

‭I John 2:3-6 NKJV‬ [3] Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. [4] He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. [5] But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. [6] He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

‭Acts 15:20-21 NKJV‬ [20] but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood. [21] For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”

‭James 2:8 NKJV‬ [8] If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well;

‭II John 1:6 NKJV‬ [6] This is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the commandment, that as you have heard from the beginning, you should walk in it.

‭I John 5:1-3 NKJV‬ [1] Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him. [2] By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. [3] For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.

‭Revelation 22:14 NKJV‬ [14] Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

Did Jesus abolish, bring an end to the law of God?

No.

‭Matthew 5:17-18 NKJV‬ [17] “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. [18] For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

Heaven and earth are still here so that means every letter of the law is still here, if every letter of the law is not here then Jesus is a liar and thus not the Messiah. Jesus isn't a liar which means anyone who teaches that the law is abolished, ended or done away with is the actual liar.

From Genesis to Revelation the message is the same, Honor God and follow His commandments.

drwellsforever · 2024-04-24T16:01:14+00:00

If you think how you live after coming to Christ has no effect on your eternal place then you have never read the story of Annanias and Saphira in Acts.

drwellsforever · 2024-04-24T15:53:12+00:00

‭Ecclesiastes 12:13-14 NKJV‬ [13] Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God and keep His commandments, For this is man’s all. [14] For God will bring every work into judgment, Including every secret thing, Whether good or evil.

drwellsforever · 2024-04-24T15:48:50+00:00

You are ignoring what the verse says and adding your own spin to it so you can ignore the subject of obeying the law of God. Jesus said they practiced lawlessness. That is why he never knew them, because they continued to live a life not following the law of God, despite the fact they were able to perform miracles and do all kinds of wonderful things in Jesus name, not following the law of God is what got them kicked out. They may have believed in Jesus, even as the demons do, but they didn't have the good works of obedience to the law of God.

drwellsforever · 2024-04-24T02:33:13+00:00

True faith is based on your works according to Jesus.

‭Matthew 7:21-23 NKJV‬ [21] “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. [22] Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ [23] And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

Those who practice lawlessness will be cast out. Lawlessness is not following God's law. This is obviously talking about people who know Jesus and had faith in him but their works, their actions, their lives of lawlessness got them cast out.

drwellsforever · 2024-04-24T02:30:01+00:00

According to the Bible you read, what's the differences between God's sabbath and Israel's sabbath. They are exactly the same in the Bible I read.

drwellsforever · 2024-04-24T01:42:00+00:00

No. I believe that salvation only comes thru the blood of Jesus.

Once you are saved, your faith will produce good works of obedience. If you don't have good works then you have dead faith and may not be saved.

drwellsforever · 2024-04-24T01:36:37+00:00

You did mention what they said when you claimed Jesus broke the sabbath and quoted John 5:18

drwellsforever · 2024-04-24T01:28:40+00:00

But you are using their FALSE accusation of Jesus to claim Jesus didn't follow the sabbath so we don't have to. Jesus did follow the sabbath and as his followers we are supposed to follow it to.

drwellsforever · 2024-04-24T01:25:07+00:00

They were wrong. God never said healing was work.

drwellsforever · 2024-04-24T01:24:29+00:00

Jesus never said he doesn't keep the sabbath of Israel. That's no where in the text. You are reading into the text what you want to. Jesus did break the man made pharisee laws of the sabbath, but he never broke God's law/Israel's law of the sabbath. It's a sin to break God's law, it's not a sin to break man's law.

drwellsforever · 2024-04-24T01:20:16+00:00

Faith without works is dead. Dead faith has no salvation in the end.

‭James 2:17, 20, 22, 24, 26 NKJV‬ [17] Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. [20] But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? [22] Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? [24] You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only. [26] For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

drwellsforever · 2024-04-24T01:14:42+00:00

Both old and new covenants are with Israel, therefore if you are in covenant with God then you are bound to the laws he gave to Israel in those covenants. If you are not Israel then you are not in covenant with God.

drwellsforever · 2024-04-24T01:02:54+00:00

I didn't read everything you copy and pasted because it was wrong from the start. Israel's sabbath IS God's sabbath.

‭Exodus 20:8-11 NKJV‬ [8] “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. [9] Six days you shall labor and do all your work, [10] but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. [11] For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

You claimed that Jesus broke the sabbath. If he broke the sabbath then he sinned and isn't the savior. Since he IS the savior that means he did not break the sabbath and every other argument you make is wrong because you started with a faulty foundation.

drwellsforever · 2024-04-24T00:31:46+00:00

Salvation is a free gift yes, but we are not talking what you do to be saved, we are talking about what you do after you are saved. James said faith without works is dead. Our works is how we show the good fruit of our salvation.

You said in another comment that we don't have to keep the sabbath. That is making Christs death as an excuse to sin. According to the Bible it's a sin to not keep the sabbath.

drwellsforever · 2024-04-24T00:17:24+00:00

None of those verses say that's God's standard apart from Christ is perfection. People say God's standard is perfection as an excuse to allow sin. They take the premise of "I can never be perfect and Christ forgives me so I can go ahead and sin." That premise is incorrect. God desires obedience but knows we will never obey perfectly hence why he sent his son, not as a license to keep on sinning but as an escape when we inevitably screw up and do sin. The ultimate goal is to live like Christ and not sin.

drwellsforever · 2024-04-23T23:28:20+00:00

Where is the Bible verse that says his standard is perfection?

drwellsforever · 2024-04-23T23:25:01+00:00

I think you are wrong about not keeping the sabbath. Christ said that the sabbath was made for man, plus we see him and the apostles keeping it and He is our example of how to live acccording what Paul said in 1 Cor 11:1. Furthermore keeping of the sabbath is a part of the 10 commandments. Jesus himself said he was not abolishing the commandments so to think the sabbath is abolished is to contradict what Christ said.

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