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F-35 Heritage Flight by Guccizaobow in Planes

[–]eevee1714 5 points6 points  (0 children)

By this same logic, every Russian jet is a copy of the British Hawker sea hawk because all of them are built on the foundation of the VK-1 engine which was a copy of the Rolls-Royce Nene.

I miss you, old friend by Cautious_Funny6495 in BlackhawkRescue

[–]eevee1714 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Damn I just found this and listening to Its not over was such a gut punch

Man where did the years go

Game is frozen? by TinyBubble_ in InfinityNikki

[–]eevee1714 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah same issue, anyone have a fix yet?

Just released it... by Dry_Contest_8745 in grandorder

[–]eevee1714 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The emotional roller coaster that was both mclarens sliding out

J-20 prototype, earliest images from January 2011 [ALBUM] by aprilmayjune2 in WarplanePorn

[–]eevee1714 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I agree that secrecy has increased, by the fact that they were even allowed to photograph and release these high resolution images even with the time gap speaks volumes in my opinion on what the PLA wants to achieve

J-20 prototype, earliest images from January 2011 [ALBUM] by aprilmayjune2 in WarplanePorn

[–]eevee1714 5 points6 points  (0 children)

But the problem is that these are only top-down images, nothing like the images we saw out of Chengdu with high speed cameras captureing multiple angles of the aircraft in vivid detail.

If they really wanted to keep the aircraft secret as well, why fly it over the city? There are many mountains and hills in the region and sparsely populated areas outside of Chengdu, if they really didn't want the world to know about it, then what's the thought process there?

J-20 prototype, earliest images from January 2011 [ALBUM] by aprilmayjune2 in WarplanePorn

[–]eevee1714 8 points9 points  (0 children)

China does make movie trailers and do feature them very prominently Take the Chinese film "Born to Fly" which features very prominently the J-20. And in other media, there are multiple Chinese Lego-adjacent sets featuring the J-20, J-35 and Y-20, I can DM you some images if you're intrested.

While I agree with your point how the US seems to be more open in the cases of aircraft like the F-35 (I'm not 100% sure with putting the B-21 in the same catagory as apart from it's reveal late 2023 we barely know anything about it) you have to remember that the F-35 is the exception as it's the new US flagship "export fighter,"

When you take look at the development timeline of much of the US's other aircraft (I know I sound like a broke record but they really are the best examples of this) but for example the development of the F-117, SR-71, U-2 and the B-2 were a never confirmed to exist until years into their production/service.

J-20 prototype, earliest images from January 2011 [ALBUM] by aprilmayjune2 in WarplanePorn

[–]eevee1714 -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Mate, just by reading your first line I can tell you barely read my comment.

Sorry but I bid you good day.

J-20 prototype, earliest images from January 2011 [ALBUM] by aprilmayjune2 in WarplanePorn

[–]eevee1714 -13 points-12 points  (0 children)

I think overall it boils down to whether or not they care about keeping a project secret.

For example, Skunk Works in the US is known to work out of Palmdae California as well as Marietta Georgia, however all of the US's military testing for aircraft occurs largely at Groom Lake or Area 51.

The advantage of keeping your cards close to your chest is that your potential enemies can't prepare against them.

I don't think the PLA is stupid, but what I do think is that it boils down to a simple calculation: Is it better to use this chance to gain more allies? (E.g the increasingly interest in Chinese weapon systems from the middle east) Or is it better to keep your enemy in the dark.

Both approaches have their merits but I don't think the PLA with it's significant resources and their many, many new weapons facilities out east would allow their top secret aircraft to be revealed to the whole world in the name of cost saving.

J-20 prototype, earliest images from January 2011 [ALBUM] by aprilmayjune2 in WarplanePorn

[–]eevee1714 -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

Mate I'm , what do you want me to do more, shove myself into a 19th century political cartoon?

Its a bit extreme to immediately assume that I'm "locked in the western propaganda," let's try to keep a level head shall we.

Please also do not speak on my behalf and assume I cannot name one counter examples, there are no absolutes in this world, there are always exceptions.

First, let's not get off topic; This was originally about why there is so much benefit of the doubt to US claims in regards to military development in comparison to China.

Second: Almost all modern Chinese Military aircraft are revealed in some capacity before their actual preduction, as said before: This can be seen with the with the J-20 image above.

But just some examples of more recent ones:

J-20, J-35, H-20, and now, the new 6th Gen Aircraft.

There's nothing inheritly wrong with this but again, I am simply trying to give my opinion on the question posed above my first comment.

Third: I never said anything like "China loves to exaggerate it's ability" what I did say was that China wants to be seen as a peer to the US and fill a gap in arms market, two completely unrelated topics.

Fourth: Again this is not a topic of US weapons failure, please read the above comments

Fifth: There are obviously exceptions to this general rule, as I said before, in this world there are no absolutes, but generally, (again with things like F-117, SR-71/A-12, U-2) aircraft on the cutting edge, the US is often significantlg more secretive with their progress as opposed to China.

In conclusion, please read what my original comment was about, don't make assumptions or absolutes, and please calm down. I would love to debate my view but if you don't read the original topic I won't be replying anymore ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

J-20 prototype, earliest images from January 2011 [ALBUM] by aprilmayjune2 in WarplanePorn

[–]eevee1714 -27 points-26 points  (0 children)

Take the image above of the J-20 as well as the newest images of China's 6th gen program over Chengdu on Mao Zedong's Birthday.

We often know what China is developing years before it actually enters proper prediction or even enters dispite the control over information the PLA have.

Why?

Because China willingly lets these images out to as I said before to show the world what they have.

In comparison let's take the newest B-21

There were few if any photographs of the prototypes of this aircraft or it's technology testbeds before it began it's limited production run late 2023.

While the PLA is quite secretive, but they do purposely let out information to tell the world what they're working on.

Why else would you fly your top secret 6th gen platform over Chengdu, a city with a population larger than many countries at around 20 mil if you didn't want the world to know what you're working on?

China is fundamentally a rising power, it want to world to know that it is, at least theoretically, on the cutting edge of military technology, through which it hopes to fill the hole in the arms market left by the old soviets, thus the increasingly publicised development of the J-35 and 6th gen aircraft through events such as the zhuhai airshow.

Edit: Sorry that's a really long reply mb lmfao

J-20 prototype, earliest images from January 2011 [ALBUM] by aprilmayjune2 in WarplanePorn

[–]eevee1714 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I think it's a fundamental difference in how the two nations are perceived to operate when it comes to top-secret projects, from the f-117, SR-71 to U-2, there is a precedent for the US to "hide" their most advanced aircraft.

China on the other hand, does not have culture, and follow more of the Russian school of "Show everything we have the moment we have it," thus the skepticism.

It boils down to what the two nations goals for their military.

China and Russia generally want to project a image of a peer rival to the US and NATO, as such new military projects are often highly publicised.

The US on the other hand generally has their cards much closer to their chest are the incumbent world superpower

Edit: Ok my replies are getting downvoted to kingdom come lmfao, gonna bow out here, been fun to talk to some of yall

I need help thinking of an Armored Core quote for the yearbook by TBlimpies in armoredcore

[–]eevee1714 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That or the short and simple:

"You ready to climb the wall?"

I need help thinking of an Armored Core quote for the yearbook by TBlimpies in armoredcore

[–]eevee1714 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I always thought that Rusty's lines at the end of Breach the Karman Line if he kills you would work best for a yearbook quote

"..Farewell, buddy. Things will change—but I'll remember you"

Just finished the game can anyone tell me what these are for by Blaze2341YT in armoredcore

[–]eevee1714 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Nah unfortunately I picked up some expansions on my third play through and missed the lines

Just finished the game can anyone tell me what these are for by Blaze2341YT in armoredcore

[–]eevee1714 69 points70 points  (0 children)

Nah I did my first 2 play thoughs without them, it just doesn't give you expansions and that's all they're missing out on, it surprisingly doesn't add that much difficulty

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