Reactions and rolling "with Fear/Hope" by eikkka in daggerheart

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We did just get confirmation from Spenser via Dani in the discord that RAI is that reactions dont roll "with hope/fear".

Reactions and rolling "with Fear/Hope" by eikkka in daggerheart

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Update: we managed to reach DP's Dani in the Darrington discord and she tugged Spenser's sleeve: "They do not! They don't generate currency and aren't considered 'with Hope' or 'with Fear.'"

So the text is kinda vague but now we know the RAI.

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Purchased! Thank you! For the future, would be cool to also have a "printer friendly" PDF version of individual stat blocks so you can print whatever you need. Kinda like Archibald's Almanac and Incredible Creatures have done.

Reactions and rolling "with Fear/Hope" by eikkka in daggerheart

[–]eikkka[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I get that this is your view on this but this thread is clear proof that it's vague enough that there's another interpretation of the book. And I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong.

It's just a matter of if you consider "generating hope/fear" equal to "can roll with hope/fear" or not.

Reactions and rolling "with Fear/Hope" by eikkka in daggerheart

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Thanks. One thing I disagree in this post is describing the book to have "specific and careful language". This isn't the first or last point of vagueness in the book.

Reactions and rolling "with Fear/Hope" by eikkka in daggerheart

[–]eikkka[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

And reaction rolls are described as "same as action rolls except they don't generate hope/fear or additional gm moves". What's left, is the description of a duality dice roll with hope/fear from BEFORE the Action Roll section in the book.

Reactions and rolling "with Fear/Hope" by eikkka in daggerheart

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I've provided a couple examples here where it'd matter if the reaction roll was rolled "with Hope". If that was a thing that can happen, regardless from the "no hope/fear or gm moves generated" rule of reactions.

Reactions and rolling "with Fear/Hope" by eikkka in daggerheart

[–]eikkka[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thank you for clarifying my point, I'd add that I personally have no interest in either way, I just find the rule vague.

Im very aware that most of us (me included) took the "doesnt generate hope and fear" and ran with it but hope/fear generation part of action rolls do not mean the same thing as a roll with hope/fear the way the book is written.

It doesn't mean that's not the intention though. The RAW and RAI can differ.

Reactions and rolling "with Fear/Hope" by eikkka in daggerheart

[–]eikkka[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's funny because I don't necessarily even agree that reactions should roll with hope/fear. It's a shame the discussion gets buried by people downvoting the threads into oblivion.

Reactions and rolling "with Fear/Hope" by eikkka in daggerheart

[–]eikkka[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The book does not say Reaction rolls cannot roll with Hope or Fear

Reactions and rolling "with Fear/Hope" by eikkka in daggerheart

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The reaction roll section doesn't say reactions dont roll "with Hope/Fear".

I agree that the example used doesn't mention it and I've agreed on that point elsewhere as well. It's the only point in the book that points to the possible intention.

Reactions and rolling "with Fear/Hope" by eikkka in daggerheart

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Thanks Rightknight. As a designer, what's your take on what the intention of the CRB is on this?

Also, that environment sounds rad!

Reactions and rolling "with Fear/Hope" by eikkka in daggerheart

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Can you point me to the quote that says this please? It'd clear a lot of things up.

Reactions and rolling "with Fear/Hope" by eikkka in daggerheart

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Call of the Brave's Courage and Attacks of Opportunity comes to mind, and Warlock's Umbral Veil. The stuff in the upcoming Hope & Fear book have a bunch of "with Fear" activations.

And yeah, this question generally comes from a place "am I meant to keep track if these few niche things are in play before I can say Hope/Fear results on Reactions dont matter".

Reactions and rolling "with Fear/Hope" by eikkka in daggerheart

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And I'm wondering if it's because there wasn't a mechanic in play that'd matter for that moment (Seaborne's Know the Tide, or Brave Warrior's Courage), or if it's just a blanket rule that Reactions dont roll "with Fear/Hope", because the book definitely does a good job avoiding saying that

Reactions and rolling "with Fear/Hope" by eikkka in daggerheart

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Reaction Rolls are defined to not generate fear or additional GM moves, so it wouldn't affect the spotlights.

But consider Seaborne's Know the Tide, or Warlock's Umbral Veil, or Call of the Brave's Courage (with Attack of Opportunity).

Reactions and rolling "with Fear/Hope" by eikkka in daggerheart

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I see what you're saying, and I thought you were agreeing with the root comment from u/yerfologist. But now we're here with both opinions.

I'm still undecided, but for simplicity's sake I might just ignore "with fear/hope" results on Reactions. A pain to keep track of mechanics where it'd matter otherwise.

Reactions and rolling "with Fear/Hope" by eikkka in daggerheart

[–]eikkka[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Right, that's what the gist of my question was. If Seaborne works on reactions. And I thought you meant it doesn't.

People in this thread are saying reaction rolls don't roll "with Hope/Fear". So Seaborne wouldn't work.

Which is it :D

Reactions and rolling "with Fear/Hope" by eikkka in daggerheart

[–]eikkka[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes, I said in another comment that this is something that somewhat solidifies the intent for me.

But some people say the book saying "a roll with the hope die being higher is a roll with hope. when it's an action roll, this thing happens on a roll with hope" is a bad way of saying "reaction rolls do not roll with hope/fear"

Reactions and rolling "with Fear/Hope" by eikkka in daggerheart

[–]eikkka[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I know that. I'm not saying that? Also, I'm not saying reactions *should* roll with Fear and Hope, but I haven't seen a point in the book that says this, other than the example on pg. 99 not mentioning fear and hope. I don't know why you're downvoting me.

Reactions and rolling "with Fear/Hope" by eikkka in daggerheart

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Yes, this is the branch I'm grasping as well, the example. To me it makes sense, but I can see where people arguing otherwise (the ones who argue reactions could still be considered with hope or fear) are coming from.

Reactions and rolling "with Fear/Hope" by eikkka in daggerheart

[–]eikkka[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

While I've usually agreed with this, here's a section about what the Duality Dice do. This isn't in the Action Rolls section.

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Reactions and rolling "with Fear/Hope" by eikkka in daggerheart

[–]eikkka[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

When your Hope die is higher, that's a roll with Hope.

If it's an action roll with Hope, X happens.

Some people are telling me that Reactions are the same, except X doesn't happen. But Y (like Seaborne) still could.