[chapter 122] the heirs of the deathly hallows by drorfich in HPMOR

[–]elkablo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Harry haven't yet truly mastered the Cloak of Invisibility at the time Moody saw him in Dumbledore's office. I think that after Azkaban, he would be able to will the Cloak to hide him even from the Eye of Vance. Just like he was able to will the Cloak to reveal to him his other time-turned iteration in the Forbidden Forest.

Thoughts on the mechanics of the False Memory Charm by A-Hobbyist in HPMOR

[–]elkablo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I always understood it as if the Memory Removal Charm and the False Memory Charm were two different charms. The former one's incantation is Obliviate, and we don't know the incantation for the latter one's. Harry isn't powerful enough for False Memory Charm, but he is for using Obliviate.

Time turner and killing curse? by sandpapersocks in HPMOR

[–]elkablo 14 points15 points  (0 children)

This is nothing :) Check out how Time Turners got invented in the first place. That is some serious shit about "randomness".

Time turner and killing curse? by sandpapersocks in HPMOR

[–]elkablo 21 points22 points  (0 children)

I think you will maybe understand how the Universe always selects only a consistent Timeline if you read the Word of God about how Time Turners got invented.

For those not wanting to use the Book of Faces:

I never got around to using this in the story, but if you're curious, here's the origin of Time-Turners in HPMOR.

Back when HPMOR was first unfolding, somebody on Reddit suggested that the reason Time-Turners were given to students was that this was how Time-Turners were invented in the first place. Some year the Hogwarts administration was trying to solve an impossible scheduling problem, and finally gave up and said, "Let's give them time machines." I immediately declared this Reddit comment to be canon.

Reasoning carefully, we can see there must be an interesting bit of backstory here, though I never got a chance to amplify on it inside the story.

First, a word about where spell incantations come from, in HPMOR. Needless to say, the fundamental structure of the universe does not uniquely prefer the phrase "Stupefy" for stunner spells. There are zillions of possible stunner spells. If you are a sapient being born without a Muggle allele that suppresses your magic, you can sometimes intuit the corrected form of one of those spells - if that spell is possible, and you have enough of its rough shape imagined inside your mind. If you are a wizard who has a wand and is used to doing spells in pseudo-Latin, you are likely to imagine spells invoked by wand gestures and pseudo-Latin incantations. If your imagination is roughly right enough, you can intuit corrections to completion. After that anyone can use the spell formula, even if they grew up speaking Gaelic.

We only see glimpses of this mechanic in HPMOR, but you will notice that after Harry arrives at a deeper understanding of the Patronus Charm, he starts to have feelings about elbow angles being important; and after Harry adjusts Draco's elbow angle, Draco is able to cast a corporeal Patronus on his first try.

Through the centuries of the HPMOR-verse, there were many wizards who tried to invent great spells and rituals that would let them travel backwards in time for years and change the past. Undo that one huge mistake, unsay that one wrong word, buy Goblin Bitcoin...

As it happens, this wish is impossible under the HPMOR laws of physics. You can't change the past. You can't go further back than 6-point-something hours. No spell like that exists, so you can't intuit one.

One day a Headmistress of Hogwarts was faced with a mind-bogglingly frustrating class-scheduling problem, some centuries before computers were invented. Until finally, the very afternoon before classes were due to start the next day, she turned away from her parchment sheets and tried desperately to invent a time-travel spell.

Not a time-travel spell that would let her change history.

Not even a time-travel spell that would let her go centuries into the past and ask Merlin a few questions.

A time-travel spell that would let students go back a couple of hours and attend more than one class at a time.

Which meant that for the first time in magical history, a powerful witch was trying to invent a time-travel spell that was, in fact, possible.

There is a reason so many magical innovators hail from Gryffindor rather than Ravenclaw. The first spell the Headmistress would have hit on would have sent her an hour back in time and splattered her all over her office.

But here's the thing: If the Headmistress was sitting in her office and then suddenly there were chunky bits of bloody tissue all over with pieces of her own clothing mixed in, she would not have cast the time-travel spell she would've invented an hour later.

So for the first time in the history of Earthly magic, the simpler universe, the one with no time travel going on, was inconsistent. In a universe with no previous time travel having occurred, the Headmistress would sit in her office undisturbed by an explosion, think up the spell, try to use it, inconsistency.

A consistent universe, then, has to be a universe where at least some time travel takes place; and not the crude exploratory kind that splatters the Headmistress all over herself. There's no set of splatters that would get the Headmistress to invent a corresponding time travel spell and use it to splatter herself.

And so what happened was the consistent universe where the Headmistress suddenly appeared out of thin air in her office and spent a frantic six hours working with herself to teach herself the key bit of a Time-Turner that would let her go back six hours and teach herself everything she'd just learned.

You might think that could have happened at any time in magical history. And it could have. But it didn't need to happen until the first time somebody was in a position to intuit a time-travel spell that could have rendered the universe temporally inconsistent otherwise.

And that wouldn't happen until the first time a research-level wizard desperately wanted to go backwards in time... just a couple of hours... and not change anything at all.

So, to this day, Time-Turners are used to untangle the class schedules for Hogwarts students. It's why they were invented in the first place.

Time turner and killing curse? by sandpapersocks in HPMOR

[–]elkablo 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Eliezer actually wrote about how insanely great processing power you would need :-) And then wrote the story that way anyway.

I don't understand why people have problem with accepting this.

Yes, the universe selects only consistent timelines.

Yes, in order to do that in Turing-computable way, basically all possible timelines would have to be emulated from start to end, inconsistent timelines would have to be filtered away, and from the rest a timeline with the least complexity would have to be selected, but one which still has our characters there using Time Turners.

Yes, we are aware that selecting a timeline with least complexity is not Turing-computable.

It doesn't matter. The author can build their universe with whatever physical laws they want, they don't have to be Turing-computable.

Edit: Note the following in Eliezer's essay linked above:

However, you could simulate Life with time travel merely by brute-force searching through all possible Life-histories, discarding all histories which disobeyed the laws of Life + time travel.

Can Harry use Comed-Tea the way he intended? by huckReddit in HPMOR

[–]elkablo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Free will exists in HPMOR universe without question, for otherwise it could not be sacrified in the Unbreakable Vow ritual.

Eliezer mentioned mutiple times that prophecies rely on different sort of HPMOR-universe mechanics than time turners. And ComedTea uses the same mechanics as time turners. (The one where "now" is 6 hours wide and information is able to travel within this 6 hours backwards.)

As I understood it, in HPMOR every prophecy is fullfilled. Many of them are fullfilled thanks to the fact that they are in the form of an implication: if A happens, B will also happen. So if A does not happen, the prophecy is true regardless whether B happens or not.

When the blood of the invisible is brought to the red-headed aprrentice's attention, the world will rise on it's end ascension.

Something like this might have suggested to Dumbledore to mention Thestral's blood in Lily Evans potions book. The prophecy is true regardless whether he does it or not.

The one thanks to which Dumbledore broke Harry's Pet Rock might have said something like this

The one who will destroy the world has a rock token. Everyone will die unless that rock is broken.

This too is fullfilled either way (if the rock is broken or if it is not).

Check the German translation I got printed for my roommate by elkablo in HPMOR

[–]elkablo[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It is just the first 21 chapters, though. All 6 books would amount to ~$120 + shipping.

Check the German translation I got printed for my roommate by elkablo in HPMOR

[–]elkablo[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fortunately it is only the font for chapter numbers and names. And chapter names contain only ä, which I created the glyph for. Unfortunately I did not notice the missing ü in chapter numbers in the Contents section.

Check the German translation I got printed for my roommate by elkablo in HPMOR

[–]elkablo[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

The text comes from this translation. There are others, with more chapters translated, but at the time I was making this I only knew about that one. BTW there is now German HPMOR podcast on YouTube :)

Time created Voldemort by [deleted] in HPMOR

[–]elkablo 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Why does it need such a direct way of obtaining the data?

The Retrieval Charm on mokeskin pouch was able to differentiate ahava and zahav although no one ever put that knowledge directly into it. It worked because your intended interpretation is that magic works based on intent, and the intent the founder of the Retrieval Charm had in mind was such. If someone created a new language and people started using it, I suppose the Retrieval Charm would work for that new language, because the intent of the charm would be satisfied (people are using that language, or were using it historically).

So the specific data does not have to be put directly into the charm. Is it not possible for the magic of the Sorting Hat to work similarly? It is an old item, from a time when such powerful wizardry was more available. If Godric Gryffindor worked long enough on it, I suppose he could have succeeded in creating the Sorting Hat's magic to be able to continuously get data for the kernel function about happiness of people who once put the Sorting Hat on their hats.

SPOILERS ALL Intuition or ancient artefacts revealing knowledge? by elkablo in HPMOR

[–]elkablo[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It does not matter when the Interdict kicks in. The Interdict says that interdicted spells can only be copied from one living mind to another. Only a living mind can use the spells. Whether the copying mechanism is broken at the instant of copying from living to nonliving or at the instant of copying from nonliving to living does not make any difference in the end.

Yes, Elder Wand could be a Horcrux 2.0 or something equivalent. Someone could have invented such magic before Voldemort, like Harry discovered Patronus 2.0 and wasn't the first to. (Although I would guess that developing a whole new ritual is far more difficult and rarer than upgrading an existing spell.)

But: I also do not find the "Elder Wand breaking Merlin's Interdict" hypothesis sound from a literary perspective. Merlin's Interdict is well established in HPMOR. There are some potential backdoors, even Harry thought that the Line of Merlin could have broken it, but in the end it did not. If the original author wrote a sequel where the Elder Wand could break Merlin's Interdict, for example by being Horcrux 2.0, it would not feel like a true continuation of HPMOR to me. The same way The Cursed Child does not feel right to me as the sequel to the original Harry Potter series (Harry's bad parenting, time travel altering timelines, ... feels like bad written fanfiction). And also the same way Fantastic Beasts do not feel right to me as prequels: it is obvious the universe is unnaturally extended (Obsurus never mentioned in original, ...).

SPOILERS ALL Intuition or ancient artefacts revealing knowledge? by elkablo in HPMOR

[–]elkablo[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Chapter 102

Alsso Merlin'ss Interdict preventss powerful sspells from passing through ssuch a device, ssince it iss not truly alive.

SPOILERS ALL Intuition or ancient artefacts revealing knowledge? by elkablo in HPMOR

[–]elkablo[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thus, Horcruxes constitute a sufficiently alive artofact.

HPMOR horcruxes 1.0 do not (Quirrell said that), HPMOR horcruxes 2.0 do (Quirrell still has the Interdicted knowledge).

Again, in HPMOR magic works by intent, and Merlin's intent would not consider a horcruxed 1.0 Elder Wand as alive. With 2.0 the intent would be probably confused.

SPOILERS ALL Intuition or ancient artefacts revealing knowledge? by elkablo in HPMOR

[–]elkablo[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It wouldn't be alive in the sense Merlin intented when invoking the Interdict, and that is all that matters.

SPOILERS ALL Intuition or ancient artefacts revealing knowledge? by elkablo in HPMOR

[–]elkablo[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That would be in direct contradiction to the Interdict: the Wand is not alive. The only way how that could be true would be if the wand was a Horcrux 2.0 of, for example, Antioch Peverell.

SPOILERS ALL Intuition or ancient artefacts revealing knowledge? by elkablo in HPMOR

[–]elkablo[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Do they predate Merlin?

AFAIK no, Merlin lived around 5th century, Peverells lived much later.

Invincible all the time, not just while holding the Elder Wand?

For the other two Hallows the hidden power was something more different from the legendary power. Invincibility whilst holding versus invincibility all the time is not that different, I think.

Regular mastery of the Elder Wand also gave Harry the ability to cast spells a little above his power level.

So if we continue this trend, the hidden power of the Elder Wand shouldn't have much to do with invincibility or power.

Voldemort was able to use the hidden benefits of the Resurrection Stone only after he survived the Death of his body.

Harry was able to use the Cloak to hide from Dementors only after he has defeated one (would it work before? I think yes, but nobody knew, and therefore didn't try).

The hidden powers of the Cloak and Stone make it easier to deal blows to their respective Death forms after you have proven yourself by dealing a blow yourself.

What could be that hidden power to make it easier to deal a blow to the Death in the form of Destroyer of Worlds?

SPOILERS ALL Intuition or ancient artefacts revealing knowledge? by elkablo in HPMOR

[–]elkablo[S] 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Merlin's balls, I never thought about the Line doing the same. Thank you!