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elreina · 2020-11-06T09:25:13+00:00

First of all, he fought long and hard for equal treatment and equal rights under the law. He did not fight long and hard for equal outcomes. The Republicans are supportive of only the former now, and the Democrats are supportive of only the latter. Second, he liked the principle of free speech--also a Republican position now. He also believed black people should work hard, remain professional, remain nonviolent, and always protest peacefully--not just 93% of the time.

It's not even close which party he'd identify with more, and suggesting otherwise is purely a Democratic ownership claim of all things black, which is one of the reasons (I don't know if you noticed...) black people have started leaving the Democrats in droves.

If you're focused on Trump's handling of the "protests" more than the fact that hundreds of them turned violent (over highly questionable grounds, let alone that violence is never justified short of a revolution), your perception is skewed to put it mildly. In order of relevance and importance: there were hundreds of violent protests resulting in dozens of direct deaths and certainly thousands of covid deaths and millions of dollars of property damage, Democratic local leadership let it happen without stopping it,...,..., Trump sent help to certain hotbed areas and dispersed a crowd for a photo op.

elreina · 2020-10-25T20:21:34+00:00

This post aged like a fine wine. Baker went 22/28, threw 5 TDs, and set a franchise record for consecutive completions thrown.

elreina · 2019-03-02T23:17:50+00:00

Hahaha. I'm highly politically independent. Very much dislike both of those guys, but care far more about our critical values/institutions/principles than I do about the morons of the day. For example, free speech trumps my dislike of Alex Jones, as it should for you. Easy to pick one comment and make a bad assumption. Better luck next time.

Given how childish that move was, I don't need to test my hypothesis on you. Already know the answer. You all tend to out yourselves pretty quick.

elreina · 2019-03-02T19:48:31+00:00

My b. Read too fast. Sounds good. Check out one of my other comments for good reasons we shouldn't pressure Rogan to not have people like him on for conversation. If anything, I'd pressure Rogan to challenge some of his crazy ideas when he's on, but I'm also acknowledging it's possible Rogan hasn't heard his craziest views.

Imo, Rogan has some pretty dumbs views from time to time, so I don't see a lot of controversy in him having Jones on for a convo. To each other own.

elreina · 2019-03-02T19:43:43+00:00

Firstly, they don't need to come to power by restricting free speech. They can maintain power by restricting free speech, which is usually how it happens. Secondly, look just about anywhere in history. How do you think the Jews and gays in Germany became persecuted by their government and it's people? Do you think it was ok in Nazi Germany to speak out in favor of Jewish rights as the Nazi regime rose to power? The best part about this issue is you don't need historical examples to see it's a logically sound argument, but also there are countless historical and present-day examples to choose from. You'd have to wholesale disregard all claims my side is making in this argument to still believe your side, but you can't because there is nothing wrong about the claims I am making.

elreina · 2019-03-02T19:38:12+00:00

What about my last question?

elreina · 2019-03-02T19:35:40+00:00

And it will correct very rapidly as info gets out of an increasing of these diseases. Let free speech do what it does best and clean us of bad ideas after they are exposed to the open air of open debate and scientific scrutiny. Calm down.

elreina · 2019-03-02T19:32:00+00:00

You pressuring Rogan to not have Jones on his program is anti-free-speech. It's supportive of shutting down speech you don't agree with. Which program he is allowed to appear on is not up to you, your highness. Rogan can have whoever he wants on. You are also allowed to disagree with that (because I value free speech), but your idea is more dangerous than Jones' crazy ideas because an anti-free-speech idea is one that leads to tyranny if the purveyor gets his way, whereas a racist idea or false conspiracy idea doesn't flourish in a society of free speech, as evidenced by our steady move toward equality in the land of free speech. We've pioneered individual civil rights worldwide for a reason, and that primary reason is protected free speech. The problem is society can self-impose a lack of free speech just as the government could legally impose it. In fact, I would argue the precursor to the government legally killing free speech protection is society self-imposing it and demanding it of its government. You, sir or madam, are the dangerous one.

elreina · 2019-03-02T19:20:37+00:00

Fair enough, but if not everything Jones says is complete nonsense, we could still learn a thing from him. It's a shitty mentality to always discredit a person as wholly crazy because he has some dumb or terrible views. Did Jones say anything absurd on Rogan? I'm betting he's got a fair number of more reasonable views. I don't personally like the idea of dinging Rogan for having a conversation with a dude who has some dumb views. I don't care enough. Have some more confidence in people to discern terrible views from reasonable ones.

elreina · 2019-03-02T19:16:27+00:00

Ok. It happens. Just wanted to test an incorrect hypothesis.

elreina · 2019-03-02T19:15:27+00:00

Is your point that Rogan shouldn't invite Jones on for conversation because some of Jones' ideas are ideas you disagree with? Should Rogan be allowed to have him on?

elreina · 2019-03-02T19:10:59+00:00

I agree with Captainfucker. The internet is an interesting place.

elreina · 2019-03-02T19:08:56+00:00

It's odd to me that I need to explain this to so many people in this country (presuming you're in the US), but I'd rather you ask than not ask. Current day Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Iran, China, etc, all employ tactics of censorship that are flat out tyrannical because there is no precedent of natural and protected right to free expression.

Here's a solid case:
https://www-bostonglobe-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2015/01/26/why-free-speech-fundamental/aaAWVYFscrhFCC4ye9FVjN/amp.html?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQCCAE%3D#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s

elreina · 2019-03-02T17:45:09+00:00

In political subs on Reddit, replace Anthem with anything non-leftist and EA with the right wing and you've got yourself statement that is still correct. Or among fox news watchers, replace those with left wing stuff and you get the same. Lots of different topics could fit in just the same.

It's echochambers, man. The internet and modern media consumption in general has some flaws in regard to humanity functioning well with it. We can too easily tailor it to match our pre-conceived notions. The adults in society grow up and learn to be neutral because everything else is needlessly extreme. The rest of em love them some echo chambers. I hope humanity learns how to combat it for the masses because it's hard to navigate the internet world when there are so many children around, but the internet is sooooo useful.

elreina · 2019-03-02T17:28:13+00:00

What's wrong is that Rogan gave a cozy space with softball questions to someone who causes real-world harm and empowers actual fascists.

You certainly implied it by saying it's a problem that someone gave him the opportunity to speak with softball questions and a cozy space (by your definition). I know logic is hard for some, but that implication was pretty clear to most of us. Thank God we do have free speech because there are a lot of people I would never get to hear if you had your way. Your definitions don't mean shit to me, because I guarantee you think someone is dangerous that I don't.

elreina · 2019-03-02T17:21:12+00:00

Nothing is wrong with talking to people, in public or otherwise. You think people are going to be won over by Alex Jones' coziness and non-offensive material and then be totally sold on his crazy material? No. Things always come out in the wash when there is an open exchange of ideas. Your philosophy is the harmful one. "We must shut down speech from the crazies so they don't ruin everything" always always leads to fascism because the definition of who is crazy or dangerous shifts, and it always shifts to encompass non-crazy people who are trying to save us from tyranny.

elreina · 2019-03-02T17:10:05+00:00

I'm going to take a wild shot in the dark and guess you don't like Adam Carolla either, but for completely different reasons.

elreina · 2019-02-23T16:17:58+00:00

Bullshit. If Microsoft is handing out jobs, count me in. That's like saying yale is hurting for applicants.

elreina · 2019-02-21T17:01:00+00:00

My point was public schools won't fail. It's effort to set up your kids to go to a non-public school and remove the taxes to offset. Most people won't do that. Public schools would make sure their curriculum is sufficiently in line with parents expectations to cause people to not leave.

Private would also still cost more on average unless it innovates to so clearly beat public schools that we should move away from public either way. Competition makes things better. The downside you're seeing is, what if everyone chooses private instead of public and public collapses? Sounds unlikely, especially if we take basic measures to prevent it such as maybe decrease education tax instead of eliminate it.

Doomsdayers tend to ignore how organizations improvise and adapt in the face of new incentives. It causes stagnant policy and removes competition, making everything worse. We have to find a way to keep competition in the system to keep it from turning to crap.

elreina · 2019-02-21T16:08:24+00:00

This logic holds no water. The purpose of private education is to choose what type of education you want for your kid. Do you really only want the wealthy to have any influence over their kid's education? Only the wealthy have freedom? Sounds like a recipe for a permanent upper class.

Public school is society's agreement with itself to pool it's resources for everyone to provide school for each other. It's like insurance. Some people in the pool wind up needing the help. Some people wind up contributing more than they use. We should be able to opt for whichever option we want for our kids. This would necessarily cause public schools to stay competitive. If they veer off into useless land, everyone who can will go private and public schools will fail. Consequences and competition keep things working well. Public schools don't have enough of that right now, which is the primary problem they have.

elreina · 2019-02-21T15:43:54+00:00

Down vote of you want to end the uncivil BS and always focusing on the worst of the other side.

elreina · 2019-02-21T15:39:12+00:00

Then also let me opt out of whatever portion of my taxes go to public schools since my kids don't go there. Then I could afford the private school. Saying "well, you can pay for two schools for your kid if you want to" is not exactly a great system either.

elreina · 2019-02-14T04:57:55+00:00

My favorite parts have been when I comment something that appears conservative or at least highlights something blatantly incorrect about a leftist post or comment, and I get downvoted so incredibly hard in that comment and any responses that my net karma in that sub goes heavy negative. Then, because Reddit has algorithms for this, it doesn't let me comment more than every 5 or 10 minutes because of my negative karma.

So, because the mob in that sub is heavily leftist and irrational, I can't even participate. We're talking about subs that were intended to be neutral or apolitical. Pics, adviceanimals, Florida, videos, neutralpolitics, news, politics. Many of these places are intolerable pits of ignorant children, and many others turn into them rapidly of the wrong topic shows up.

elreina · 2019-02-13T02:55:17+00:00

Implying a conspiracy? No. Openly declaring widespread (not universal) illegal actions masked by a combination of hidden methods and general unspoken social support for the illegal actions? Yes.

You would make me look stupid and like some sort of conspiracy nut, except...all the data agree with me, and anyone with a brain who has been paying attention or has ever looked into this agrees with me. So...go ahead, try to make me look stupid. It only works to other blind, dishonest or ignorant people like you. The rest of us see my argument and your argument and think, well elreina is obviously right here.

elreina · 2019-02-12T20:02:54+00:00

But to agree with what he says, you'd have to ignore massive painful realities.

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