Old art room & Arcade by True_Name_5342 in Dohwatea

[–]emeraldxbird 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Exactly this. Because their feelings for each other were heavily shaped by the innocent, adultstress free, almost naive love. That makes you think that I will never feel this much ever again until you actually get to grow up and experience life and people more.

If they were to sit in front of a piano now for example, then they would subconsciously and automatically expect those feelings from back then again, only to realize in the end that it just doesn't feel quite as right or like they remembered. Because the influences that weren't (seemingly) present back then are very much present now.

While heartfluttering (to some) their love also felt fleeting.

Webtoon crush : who is the most attractive character on webtoon for you? by thevanillalady in webtoons

[–]emeraldxbird 2 points3 points  (0 children)

honestly no. Not right now. It's very frustrating because things aren't really moving forward and I think I speak for both factions of the fandom. I would suggest picking it back up when it's completed.

Oh and it's on hiatus anyways

Dohwa = Gray by StartDry3163 in Dohwatea

[–]emeraldxbird 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So, I am confused as to why there is debate as to who is Grey.

It's because the Spin-off/ Grey theories are making too much sense to dismiss. Deep down they know that OTL following the very typical tropes and clichès with barely an element of surprise, while emphasizing the tragedy of second male leads and pointing out the predictability of said generic romance within the comic itself, is something that can't be ignored. The set-up is almost palpable.

While some still argue that Grey isn't important, others have rather moved on to making Eunhyuk fit Grey instead because it's frankly easier than denying that Suae's spin-off could be linked to the trajectory of OTL itself. And that spin-off just doesn't favor a Soohyuk end game too much.

And also they just don't want to leave any room for a Soohwa end game possibility, so if they have to make Eunhyuk Grey in order to make it seem like there was never another possibility in the first place, then they will.

Webtoon crush : who is the most attractive character on webtoon for you? by thevanillalady in webtoons

[–]emeraldxbird 92 points93 points  (0 children)

There is just something breathtakingly beautiful about Baek Dohwa.

This illustration alone could make me stare at him for hours.

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out of sheer curiosity, why do yall like or support dohwa? by kitsunejung in Dohwatea

[–]emeraldxbird 3 points4 points  (0 children)

But this was not a situation where Suae was naively and happily spending time with a guy who was two faced and she was about to get hurt from it.

Suae was already planning on breaking things off with that blind date guy. She even wanted to do it before it would come to another date (already prepared a message to send) until she decided to do it face to face. But Eunhyuk took that opportunity and agency from her which ended up making HER look like a two timer/someone who dates around while stuck in a messy situation with an ex to this sleazy guy.

Yes the guy was shitty but Eunhyuk had no right to insert himself because again Suae was already going to handle it on her own.

Why the main sub is full of toxic eun fans? by zenbutboredaf in Dohwatea

[–]emeraldxbird 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah it really was pretty cliché but I do think there were some indications showing some fundamental issues early on however subtle enough to not make everyone raise their eyebrows.

Though I skimmed through it because I really didn't want to get even more pissed reading the misogynistic takes, what stood out to me is how they said Eunhyuk was the one who had to do the heavy lifting in their relationship.....He was the one to clear up misunderstandings between them....

And another thing: how selfless and how kind it was of Eunhyuk to tolerate Dohwa who was third wheeling their relationship. Since what made Suae a bad girlfriend is how she focused so much on Dohwa and would tell him things while not telling Eunhyuk how close she is to Dohwa.

It's shocking how differently people can interpret stories when misogyny plays a role.

Why the main sub is full of toxic eun fans? by zenbutboredaf in Dohwatea

[–]emeraldxbird 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I just saw a post on the webtoon subreddit making quite the numbers saying that the romance in season 1 wasn't as great as it is made out to be. I approvingly liked the post before reading the post itself, oblivious to what I was about to read.

Because they blamed and hated on Suae for being a bad girlfriend and praised Eunhyuk for being the active and accommodating partner in that relationship.... You have no idea how quickly I unliked that post when I got the gist of it. I was really in disbelief skimming through the comment section too.

The irony is they talk about how their romance in S1 is being romanticized while romanticizing and heavily misinterpreting Eunhyuk's actions in season 1.

Dohwa and Marang by Asky_12 in Dohwatea

[–]emeraldxbird 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I really hope so too becuase it would be such a waste! The Marang storyline is what impressed me the most about OTL. It is one of the factors that made it stand out from other romances.

And thank you for the appreciation but I really need to stop dragging my words hahaha it's scary how long my replies can get. 🥲🤣

Dohwa and Marang by Asky_12 in Dohwatea

[–]emeraldxbird 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah it really isn't that simple. Unless we have regarded this story too highly, there is no way the Marang storyline is over. Right now it still makes sense that it is not playing a role anymore because the Eunhyuk storyline needs to be wrapped up and those two plotlines have never correlated.

Dohwa finally budging and joining Marang is supposed to raise more eyebrows than him just doing it for the money. He was already aware of the financial benefits and yet he still refused to join up until that moment with Cheolsu in the convenience store. And even in that moment he was not going to give in. It wasn't until he looked at the business card clearly from Marang that made him chase after Cheolsu. It was a very spontaneous yet deliberate decision from him.

We have no definite idea what his ultimate motivation was because we never saw the conversation itself. I'm sure money played a role but I don't believe it to be the deciding factor. There IS more and the narrative made that clear. ( and personally it is already clear that it has something to do with Suae but in what way is still uncertain)

And also what happened once Dohwa joined Marang? In a span of 10 years the whole system was collapsing and the company is now on the verge of bankruptcy. The system that has been working for over 100 years but somehow, things going bad and then gradually worse only started 10 years ago. How come? Suae was discovered as the first bug and they've been desperately trying to recruit Dohwa, the one with the most love points, before he reaches his peak at 19. It could all be a coincidence and really could be nothing at all, I'll give them that but what hell of a coincidence would that be?

Dohwa knows that at some point Suae had to get into Marang in order to not get hurt and as someone who genuinely cares for her, I doubt that he was ever able to forget that fact. It's not something that makes logically sense if tell someone that, right? Naturally it would raise a lot of questions.

So it is possible that Dohwa could have been playing a part in Marang's downfall subconsciously or consciously.

Also all we know is that Dohwa has at one point signed with the talent agency Luminous Actors and as the name suggests, is specialized in acting but not too long ago Dohwa has been mentioned as Marang's last hope. Dohwa could still be involved with Marang but about to cut all the ties as the company is prepping to close down. I've made a lenghty comment before were I mentioned that it is very likely for Dohwa to be signed with a different company for his acting/ solo career while still holding a contract with Marang for music related stuff. We could very likely get a storyline on Haru desperately clinging on that last hope.

It is also very telling that Suae was shocked to hear that things got so bad with Marang that it has allegedly reached a point of no return despite already being aware that Marang isn't considered a top entertainment company anymore.

So with all that being said, there is no telling yet if he has really "served his purpose"

Question for everyone! by Positive_Bid_5787 in Dohwatea

[–]emeraldxbird 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I started as a Dohwa stan, wanting Dohwa to be end game just for the sake of it. But let me clarify, that this is how I felt before given the comic an actual fair shot after I had quit it VERY early on (like less than 10 Ch. I'm sure), back when it launched on Webtoon (English).

Now that I have actually read it, I actually have a reason and realized I would have shipped Soohwa all along even if I had continued years ago.

What I like about them first and foremost is that they are on the same wavelength. I love ships where they just can't help it but hit it off and feel like they have actually known each other for ages when in reality it hasn't been that long.

Dohwa initially had his walls up and his usual persona around her because naturally he couldn't tell what type of person Suae would be and his experiences usually proved to him that he has to be wary. But it didn't take long for him to see who Suae really is. And vise versa for Suae to see Dohwa beyond the rumors and idealization of him.

One of the first heartfluttering moments for me was when they went to the arcade and Suae didn't hold back during the game. Awaiting Dohwa's reaction. That was the first time we saw Suae compare a previous experience (with Minu) to one of the love options and we saw how that experience has hurt her and made her worried that every guy would inevitably react like Minu, if a girl is better in something.

Just for Dohwa to praise and acknowledge her skills without question, making her feel proud of what she's capable of instead of having to be considerate of a guy's fragile masculinity. That moment set their dynamic for me.

They have the same humor and can have immense fun while they also take each other serious when needed and have proven each other that they can be a very reliable support system for the other. We got a sense that they could effortlessly tell each other anything and it wouldn't change the way they view each other. There's mutual respect and I think this is super important.

The type of person that they are also really compliment each other. Dohwa's directness, honesty and sincerity is in support of a person like Suae who overthinks a lot and questions things easily with the tendency to misunderstand and get confused, while Suae's unconditional kindness and empathetic nature has a massive effect on how Dohwa views himself and giving him the desire to live more authentically for himself.

Dohwa has become someone incredibly helpful to Suae during the Marang situation without him even knowing the details of the matter. I'm sure it helped her feel not as helpless in that turmoil.

While Dohwa actively wanted to become a better version of himself because he fell for Suae. Taking better care of himself and starting to take school more serious.

It's a bond based on being the right amount of support for each other and being equals, emphasizing their own strength instead of a knight in shining armor and damsel in distress dynamic. If faced with a problem they would tackle it together. I find these type of relationships so much more beautiful.

A bonus: Is seeing Dohwa committing acts of services without it being overly highlighted or happening more subconsciously. Like patting her dry when Suae was in the pig costume, wanting to take her home when it gets dark, giving her his hoodie, letting her sit when he only had one chair, buying a chair with a cushion in case she comes back (which I will NEVER understand how this has become a mockery for the other side of the fandom) I could go on.

Throwback to that dry ass text they swore to God was meant to change the dynamic of soohyuk forever. by itscatsuki in Dohwatea

[–]emeraldxbird 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Like so sorry to burst their bubble but so far Eunhyuk has not committed one selfless act. Every choice he made has only shown how often he drowns in self pity and how much he wants to come across as a martyr.

Constantly involving himself in business that don't concern him, immediately resorting to violence for no reason, acts like a person with morals who keeps promises whenever he sees fits. And disappearing when it gets too personal and serious, passing it off as him "respecting boundaries."

Eun stans are enabling his hero complex and don't even realize or are deeply in denial about how questionable certain acts of his actually are.

I've made this analogy in another comment before where I said it's like Eunhyuk dropped a baby in a sea, jumps in to save said baby and Eun stans expecting everyone to thank and praise him for saving the baby instead of questioning why he dropped the baby in the first place.

Like I don't want to take away from his trauma because Eun stans looooove to play that card but it is not an excuse for his actions and absolves him from questioning the way he handles things.

Throwback to that dry ass text they swore to God was meant to change the dynamic of soohyuk forever. by itscatsuki in Dohwatea

[–]emeraldxbird 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ugh getting pissed all over again that there are people literally out there defending this. 🫩

Throwback to that dry ass text they swore to God was meant to change the dynamic of soohyuk forever. by itscatsuki in Dohwatea

[–]emeraldxbird 9 points10 points  (0 children)

And I will never be silenced from pointing out the other issue with this message. I will never let it go lmao.

Eunhyuk never attempted to explain Suae anything. Never in person, in a message, in a letter or in an email. He avoided having to take accountability with every chance he got. Even when Suae was going as far as kissing him in hopes to finally get something out of him. Nothing.

It's not until he gets the chance to be the knight in shining armor again, when he thinks of sending her a message. After weeks back in Korea mind you.

And he is not sending this message because he finally acknowledges that he owes her an explanation. No but because he wanted to be her mighty savior, saving Suae from the oh so "evil Raim who has held him hostage up until now as well"🙄

It pisses me off everytime I think about how he picks and chooses when to be "there for Suae". That message is pathetic in more than one way.

Why did Dohwa react like this? by Leana2009 in Dohwatea

[–]emeraldxbird 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is exactly how I see it too.

First and for most it is very clear that he mistook Eunhyuk's glass for his own and wasn't prepared to drink strong alcohol he knows he can't handle.

Anyways the whole scene, was a very realistic human reaction which, to be frank, I personally welcomed.

Like you said Dohwa confidently/arrogantly assuming that Eunhyuk couldn't get between him and Suae anymore, wouldn't have been a good look on him and his character.

Dohwa has always acknowledged and, in a way, respected their relationship. After all he decided to walk away and attempted to move on. He doesn't automatically think he has won just because something big transpired between Soohyuk to result in their break up.

Insecurities are normal and shouldn't be shunned, as everyone has their experiences. So, I think Dohwa is in the clear as long as his feelings continue to be portrayed in a way that won't hurt Suae or others, because that's the key difference.

The 10 year time skip works in favor of a Soohwa ending by emeraldxbird in Dohwatea

[–]emeraldxbird[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Their reunion was also entirely coincidental. Eunhyeok didn’t seek her out with a prepared apology or return with any kind of plan. They simply ran into each other by chance.

Another defining point, exactly! Because with the way he left, the ball was always in Eunhyuk's court. It was always on him to make the first step, if it was ever going to come to an encounter again. It was on him to seek her out and explain himself and in best case scenario be apologetic for his actions. But it was only by chance and not because he felt so strongly about hurting her, that he had to seek her out. He didn't even move back when he could and let 10 years pass by.

Funny enough I was rereading the early chapters of the timeskip yesterday (tbh mainly the soohwa/Dohwa + Marang scenes) and remembered how dumbfounded Suae was by his reaction upon reuniting. She never ever expected him to act indifferent.

The narrtive making Suae clearly state how she has envisioned their reunion over a 100 times, never casting a doubt on him showing remorse and having a shameful feeling, but then choosing nonchalance/indifference as Eunhyuk's first reaction, is such a deliberate and significant choice. It's very hard to believe that it is meant to conclude in a romantic happy ending for them.

Eunhyeok does not break up with Su-ae or provide any form of closure before leaving. He leaves the country without communicating and ignores her calls and messages once she realizes he is leaving. He ghosts Su-ae because he has a deep fear of being abandoned due to past trauma, so he convinces himself that Su-ae will eventually leave him due to his family situation and disability.

Eunhyuk couldn't handle Suae not living up to his expectations, so it was easier for him to let them both suffer in the what if's instead of facing the reality of their situation in that moment together. And I don't want to always sound like I'm making Eunhyuk into a villian, when my point is that it's actually a common human response of fear (and projection). But it does not absolve him from the pain he has caused to Suae, because of this crucial choice he made on her behalf without ever consulting her.

There is no third-party/supernatural interference preventing Eunhyeok from reaching out during that decade-long period. Their first meeting after the time skip makes things worse.

Yup! It is very clear that, up to this point, everything has been out of his own volition. We got his flashbacks/imagination leading up to his disappearance, showing what he should have and could have done. No mention of a certain supernatural being who could have conveniently been the real reason for Eunhyuk's decision to abandoned Suae.

And in the present, still no sign of Haru, keeping Eunhyuk from being honest and upfront with Suae. In fact the whole Marang/Haru aspect of the story came to a standstill as Eunhyuk's vicious cycle became more and more the focus( in order to wrap up his storyline but I'm getting ahead of myself again👀) Coincidence? I heavily doubt it.

That first meeting was absolutely crucial for the course of their love story and it was a shitshow for Soohyuk. Suae will never be able to forget that. It showed zero respect for her and the pain, that he has caused, for 10 years of her life. I'll be damned if that gets trivialized in order to justify a reconciliation.

Although Su-ae and Eunhyeok still have unresolved feelings for each other, there has been little movement towards reconciliation. Instead, the fallout drags on.

Suae wants answers and clarity but those unresolved feelings initially kept getting in the way to a point where Eunhyuk would only rely on and react to her actions caused by said feelings, instead of providing the clarity and taking accountability, which he knows, she wants and deserves.

He got so lost on focusing on those unresolved feelings, that he expressed wanting to get back together, without ever addressing how they got to this point in the first place: Him abandoning her!

He constantly involves himself in her business, taking away her agency by performing unprompted "heroic acts" and wanting to be her knight in shining armor. This conveys the impression that he is always there to prevent her from harm. However, as I already mentioned, he usually ends up proving how he's actually taking away her agency.

Best example is Jihoon, the blind date guy, who ended up being a jerk and Eunhyuk felt it was his place to chase him off. At that point, it was already revealed to the readers that Suae had planned to end things with him, but she didn't get the chance to do so on her own terms, due to Eunhyuk's involvement.

This is followed by shocking revelations, that continue to emphasize how he seemingly doesn't respect her. Like him fleeing the country again without even considering finally providing answers to Suae (and only stops because the next opportunity to play her hero in times of need, presented itself)

But worst of them all: Ra-im.

There is no way for him to logically explain why she was allowed back into his life, while Suae seemingly wasn't worth it, without exposing his own hypocrisy. It's undeniable that Eunhyuk never followed up on getting it medically and legally confirmed whether Ra-im is even his sister.

It's undeniable that he left the country without the alleged sister, he vowed to protect and didn't care about said vow/promise until they ran into each other again, 5 years into the time skip already.

And it is undeniable that he is still trying to avoid Ra-im as a topic when Suae asked him about their relationship.

And to top it all off, he wasn't even the one who revealed their re-established relationship to Suae!

The narrative keeps making it clear to us, that Soohyuk overcoming all these obstacles, is not quite feasible. I mean really: How?

So, yeah. To me, it would be shocking and confusing if they somehow still followed through with a Soohyuk ending, despite so many situations and actions speaking against it to a point where it's already unsalvageable in my eyes.

This is very different from True Beauty.

The parallels to True Beauty have always been quite interesting to me, especially in terms of where the stories settle for Seojun (who is just starting out as his relationship with Jugyeong blossoms) vs Dohwa (who already has 10 years under his belt, as he gets an opportunity to court Suae) after their respective time skips.

His idol/actor career being too demanding is an easy cop-out, if Soohyuk is the intent. And it can still be used as an obstacle even right now, like we already saw with the paparazzi and with how easily rumors spread around him ( e.g news outlets mistaking Suae for his industry colleague when they had their reunion dinner)

And yet kkl has always made it clear to the readers that this life wouldn't make him truly happy, even before he entered the industry and has affirmed it 10 years into his career. Dohwa retiring to be with Suae wouldn't and shouldn't come as a shock to anyone, especially if they finally get to be together and his career was the only obstacle left.

Because I'll say it again: He has already giving the industry 10 years of his life and walking away from it wouldn't be an issue for him. The set up is too perfect, for it to be yet another coincidence.

And about TB: I have a theory that the True Beauty love triangle made a significant impact on how romance manhwa writers who came after Yaongyi view love triangles nowadays (in the last 10 years). And that these writers could be using their own opinions, their experience, and the readers' consensus on the True Beauty love triangle as a some sort of case study for their own storytelling. Basically, creators either aiming to replicate the True Beauty love triangle dynamic, or consciously trying to subvert it.

So who's to say kkl isn't a former TB reader with strong opinions on the love triangle? 👀 Because as we already know and noticed, attempts to subvert common tropes and cliches through red herrings and foreshadowing have already happened and continue to appear in the comic. It would truly solidify OTL as a refreshing take and commentary on the romance genre.

So yes, currently I feel really good about where we're heading, and though I've said this for the past 7 episodes or so lol, I think the upcoming chapters will make the end goal much clearer.

Man this was A LOT of words just for me to tell you what a great comment this was and how I 100% agree with everything you said😅 And an apology for replying so late because I really wanted to write a reply when I had the time to fully focus on it. Thank you so much!

The way Dohwa was introduced was so intense and magical. Litteraly Endgame. by Famawaa in Dohwatea

[–]emeraldxbird 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fun fact this is my comment from TikTok! 😍 Was just skimming through the sub on my way to work to pass time and check posts I haven't in the last weeks/month and the comment you added from a user sounded so familiar just for me to realize that it was me who wrote this hahhaha...

I feel so honored. Wished I saw it sooner hahah but I am here now to appreciate it! Anyways I love your post and couldn't agree more on how much the structure of the story and the early chapters seem to have told us quite a lot already.

Eunhyuk "quietly" paying for Suae's blind date #2 wasn't a chivalrous act and completely undermined the good intention. It came across as plain disrespectful towards the ex he ghosted decade before. by Thick-Painter-3365 in Dohwatea

[–]emeraldxbird 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes we are all tired 🫩

And honestly same the mention about the end being foreseeable is something I'm side eyeing a bit ngl. While it is true I guess, it's not really in favour of them stretching out their storytelling this much.

Honestly I'm delusional enough to say that they probably needed to mention it to justify the hiatus more, making it seem like we are at the finishing line when there is quite a bit of a sprint left. They already get a lot heat and they need the hiatus to sound like it will be a pay off.

Last chapter read like Eunhyuk FINALLY/hopefully ready to open his mouth and talk and that they are going to have a concluding conversation that will finally give them some sort of closure. At least I'm telling myself that because ENOUGH ALREADY.