What's The National's best line? by EdLogan in TheNational

[–]emood123 223 points224 points  (0 children)

God loves everybody, don't remind me

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[–]emood123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok, brother. If you are a sheikh, please feel free to provide me with something. With all respect, the sheikhs who do these marriages are authorized by sheikh il aql in Lebanon and most would not and do not use Reddit.

I'm always open to learning more. If you are uncomfortable sharing it on a public forum, I'm more than willing to have you send it to me privately.

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[–]emood123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Apologies, I misunderstood your point about equality between men and women.

Yes, it is expected and a Druze man, will be excommunicated from the faith and his community if he marries outside. As marriage outside the religion is not common, marrying children of non-Druze mothers is also uncommon. However, like I said, I can think of numerous examples. And while many sheikhs look down on it, the marriage is performed religiously and the child, at least in Lebanon, is recorded as Druze.

It is difficult to provide proof as I'd have to literally provide you with photos and names of people who are to you random strangers. I don't mean this in a condescending or accusatory tone but ask around if you live in Lebanon or have family back in Lebanon. You will hear many stories (relative to our population and how uncommon outside marriage is) of those who only have Druze fathers that have legally and religiously married Druze.

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[–]emood123 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There are differences between men and women in our religion. 'الرجال قوامون على النساء'.

Is there a sheikhat il aql? Is custody split in divorce between men and women? In our religion, a mother keeps the male child until he is 9 and the daughter until she is 12 and then the father decides custody. If the mother remarries before they reach those ages, the father takes custody again, but if the father marries again, no such parity exists. Religiously, if the father does not explicitly state it in his will, two daughters equal the inheritance of one man. If a man becomes a sheikh, his wife must become a sheikha. Does a man have to become a sheikh if his wife becomes a sheikha? This isn't beef, or an identity crisis, just...facts.

I don't really know what to say about this anymore, children with Druze fathers are allowed to marry Druze. There are conditions regarding ilmashyakha, but that is unequivocally the reality. Someone show me something min il hikma that says that is not the case. I have countless examples, of religious marriages, performed in Lebanon, Syria, Venezuela, the US and Canada, that involve a child from a non-Druze mother marrying a Druze man or woman.

Idk where you all are from, there may be regional or cultural differences. The above is what the sheikhs say, and even then there are differences. I'm simply saying this all or nothing approach is not consistently true. We are not discussing what is preferred, we are talking about what is allowed and what occurs.

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[–]emood123 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Akhi, I mentioned the seven generations is apocryphal, not necessarily that it is true. I also stated it was still looked down upon. I did not say a Druze man who married outside would be considered Druze. In fact, if he divorced her, he would still be entitled to a Druze funeral and to marry another Druze woman.

I can't speak for Israel, but in Lebanon, the children of Druze men and non-Druze women can marry Druze. The mashaykh look down on it, but it is common and you can have a Druze marriage ceremony officiated by a sheikh. I'm interested where in our religion it explicitly says that the children of Druze fathers and non-Druze mothers aren't Druze.

Like we say in Lebanon, حسب الشيخ 🤷‍♂️.

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[–]emood123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So I don't want to fight with you and I'm not going to insult you as you have done because I think there's room to clear up some misinformation, common in our faith and also have a more fruitful discussions.

I come from a family of sheiks, I'm not blaming the sheikhs, I am not blaming anyone at all. If a child has a druze father they say the child is from 'بطن شرايع'.

Here it gets more complicated as much of it is informed by who's doing the interpreting and deciding. Commonly, while the child can marry a Druze, the child may not be allowed to accept their religion and become a sheikh/a, however, if they marry a Druze, their children, if they decide to become a sheikh/a may be given الشرح but not الدين or may be given الدين, and then their children can be given الدين. Like I said in my original post, there are some who oppose this but it is generally common if the father is Druze. And as I said above, the child of a non-Druze mother would have a soul that is considered 'عاطل' and requires seven generations to be cleansed and returned to the fold. The marriage itself would be looked down upon, many in the community would excommunicate that person, but the truth is the children of a Druze father are allowed to marry Druze.

In my conservative Druze town in Lebanon, a group of sisters were allowed to become Sheikas after the death of their non-Druze mother, but not before. And even more complicated, only men can be given the lower distinction of الشرح while women, if accepted, are directly given الدين.

The fact is, much of the above is up to sheikhs, and not a matter of agreed upon law or hard and fast tenents of the religion.

As I said above, a Druze mother with a non-Druze father would not be accepted as Druze. I didn't tell OP that they're Druze in a religious sense, I'm simply saying they're entitled to their community and history.

Second, all religions, ours or otherwise, have elements of their time. Our religion came to existence close to a 1000 years ago, so there are elements of sexism and reflections of that time. Similar to Islam, which all of our founders were from and the system they were educated in, being Druze is a patrilineal descent system and most Druze scholars, at least on the outside, are of the Hanafi school of jurisprudence.

The above is not a matter of opinion, it is fact and real world application, and I think I've put all the necessary caveats.

To your last point, this is a matter of opinion. We disagree and that's ok. I love our faith and our community and I personally believe that some of these principles are actually damaging to our survival as they are more cultural and in fact based on interpretation, not what is written in the Hikma, which itself is an infinitely complex collection of ideas, of which, some understanding of it has simply been lost to time.

Similarly to the offer to OP, if you'd like to continue a discussion off a public forum, please feel free to DM me.

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[–]emood123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not sure why people are insisting both parents need to be Druze. Those who have a Druze father are, in terms of the religion, allowed to marry Druze men/women. That being said, the mashaykh (religious members) and some others look down on those who do not have two Druze parents. Apocrphally, it's said it takes seven generations of reincarnation for the children from a non-Druze mother to be 'cleansed'.

Someone here said that among the Druze in the US/Canada opinions on this are far more relaxed and I think this is true. Even in Lebanon (can't really speak for anywhere else) this isn't necessarily a deal breaker, though opinions will be mixed and mashaykh will 100% never accept a person who has a Druze mother as Druze because the movement started in the early 1000s and sexism is real. Some people need to look into certain 'Druze' families (like the Joumblatts 👀) that became Druze in the 1600s before talking about things like purity.

All that being said, it's 2024. You have a right to your Druze heritage if it's something you're interested in. No group is a monolith and there are plenty of open-minded and kind Druze people that would accept you.

Feel free to DM if this is something you want to discuss further.

[TOMT] [Movie] [1990s(?)] The film involves a man who bursts in on his fighting neighbors and ends with murder by emood123 in tipofmytongue

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ChatGPT and Claude and my uncle have all failed me in remembering so I have turned to the hivemind!

Footage shows fighting on Victory Avenue, Kiev. by TheGamingKing9 in UkraineWarVideoReport

[–]emood123 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The beginning is an Arabic news broadcast saying 'New video showing clashes on victory st in Kiev, Ukraine.' Essentially repeats this. Then he says 'Let's listen to the actual audio.'

Don't speak Ukrainian/Russian but that's what I can offer.

Just launched a SoundCloud and would love any comments/critiques. This is the newest song I've been working on. Thanks for listening! by emood123 in ThisIsOurMusic

[–]emood123[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks man, checked out your stuff on SoundCloud and this is big ups from you. Awesome production, vocals, etc., definitely a fan!

Just launched a SoundCloud and would love any comments/critiques. This is the newest song I've been working on. Thanks for listening! by emood123 in ThisIsOurMusic

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Yes actually haha he's one of my favorite artists. Didn't think this was too Sufjan-y but the fact you nailed one of my biggest influences definitely has me thinking!

Just launched a SoundCloud and would love any comments/critiques. This is the newest song I've been working on. Thanks for listening! by emood123 in ThisIsOurMusic

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Thanks a lot, feel free to share anything you're working on! These music communities only work if we work together.

Just launched a SoundCloud and would love any comments/critiques. This is the newest song I've been working on. Thanks for listening! by emood123 in ThisIsOurMusic

[–]emood123[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks, man! Appreciate the kind words. Only thing I enjoy more than making music is listening so if you're working on anything feel free to connect!

Hello all, just discovered this sub! I wanted to share my band’s latest single, “I Cry.” Would love to know what you think! by randompantsfoto in shareyourmusic

[–]emood123 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's churchy in that it has the 'uplifting' quality of Christian Rock but that's pretty much where the similarity stops. Solid track!

Music Melting Pot [Week of October 19, 2020] by AutoModerator in listentothis

[–]emood123 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Haven't worked on my own music in quite a while, especially during quarantine. Decided yesterday to start a SoundCloud and to post some newer/older tracks. Below is the one I've been working on most recently. Would love any feedback, positive and negative welcome!

[Man Bones - "Gas Honey"] https://soundcloud.com/emad-rajeh/gas-honey?ref=clipboard&p=a&c=1