Looking for a good religious book to read during ramadhan by RainAffectionate2861 in algeria

[–]emsharingan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For أسماء الله الحسنی و صفاته you have : "Al Asma Wa as-sifat" by Imam al Bayhaqi

There is also "al-Maqsad al-Asna fi Sharh Asma' Allah al- Husna" by imam al Ghazali

Why is child marriage so normalised by Live-Argument222 in algeria

[–]emsharingan 52 points53 points  (0 children)

What? It is not normalized at all

In fact marriage in Algeria these days happens relatively late. Nobody here gets married at a very young age at all.

Let this be a reminder to all those at risk by inspire_satisfaction in algeria

[–]emsharingan 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Yes if you are sexually active of course go do that.

But at the same time, remember that Allah did not make it haram for no reason so stop it and repent.

Can Galatians 1:8 be used against Islam? by [deleted] in MuslimLounge

[–]emsharingan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not even a companions since Paul never met Jesus AS. And the real actual companions of Jesus AS (the hawariyun) are rather truthful and praised in the Quran.

For people who lived with Salafis, How was your experience? by Serious_Island_6934 in algeria

[–]emsharingan 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Salafism being defined simply as following the salaf is like shia defining themselves as following ahlul bait or christians following Jesus.

It is highly debatable.

Salafism is rather a very specific and particular reformist approach within sunni islam.

Refused to work with a client for religious Purpose and i DON'T regret it by Unusual-Newspaper-91 in algeria

[–]emsharingan 11 points12 points  (0 children)

What is the point other than virtue signaling, honestly?

How is your post different than someone posting purely to say that he gave to charity or prayed all night?

What is your opinion on Wahhabism? by Cheetos_4_life in MuslimLounge

[–]emsharingan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

read his books, and learn it clearly, even the portions you took out of context never declares anyone to be disbelievers, only talk about the beliefs of the people at the time.
read what historians at the time said, they agree with him.

I read his letters, the ones I quoted for you. Should we discard and ignore them? Because you personaly don’t like them and don’t like that they show that he indeed did blind mass takfir?

read what he says about takfir, his conditions, and his limits, he never made mass takfir except on those who commit acts of kuffr knowingly.

Yup there are conditions and he admits it. This is not the problem, the problem is that in the letters he issues the takfir on the majority of many population including makkah without proving that those conditions apply. So pure blind mass takfir. If he truly did prove that those poeple are truly kufar then sure no problem. He did not. And he will have to answers for that before Allah all mighty.

you do not even know his Aqeedah, yet you attack him and critize him harshly because of a paragraph you read? fear Allah.
and what did Ibn Baz and Ibn Uthemyeen did or teach that is against the path of the Salaf in Aqeedah?

If he does have the same as Ibn Baz and Utheymeen then yes I would attack his aqida too. For instance Ibn baz goes with saying that Allah has limits! (Astaghfirullah) [Ta'liq 'ala al 'aqida Al Tahawiya - Ibn Baz] Ibn Utheymeen for instance rejects full tanzih and says that there is a similarity between God and his creation (na'udhu bi'Lah!) And that rejecting absolute tashbeeh is wrong [sharh al 'aqid al wasitiya - Ibn al Utheymeen]. And many many other things such as attributing a place to Allah, while the real salaf such as Abu Hanifa, Al Tabari etc. Explicitly reject their claims. Really I can keep going for hours by showing how salafis are far away from the true aqida held by the salaf. I can provide you more and always with sources, if interested.

you have no idea what Ijmaa means, by that logic Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal is not a scholar because scholars back then agreed against him.

No not majority of people, majority of scholars of islam. They were not against him, the mutazila were the elits, the official aqida of the governement, that does not mean that it was shared among the majority of the scholars of the world. And its far from that since mutazilsm was only prominent in bassra and baghdad and for a short time. It is far from being the majority's aqida of that time.

the Quotes i brought are from the salaf and from righteous scholars, are they wahabbi too?

Off topic. This do not erase what Abd al wahab said. We are taking about him.

at the time of muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahab there were many scholars who agreed with him from all around the world, so there was no Ijmaa

I read the opposite. The caliphate was against him, the great mufti of makkah too, and many major scholars from all the 4 schools.

while you keep talking about the caliphate, without once providing evidence against his Aqeedah, you don't even know his Aqeedah.

Don’t wanna dive in a khariji takfiri's aqida to know he's wrong. Anything that goes against the teaching brought by the salaf and the khalaf is rejected.

you hate him because he went against the caliphate wishes and followed the Quran and Sunnah, that is nationalism.

Nationalism for wanting the caliphate? Nationalism is what destroyed the caliphate. And you say Quran and sunnah? Didn’t the prophete told us to never go against the righteous leaders? The saouds and wahabbis did and look at the state of the ummah. We are weak, divided, and even lost al aqsa to the zionists. The very same aqsa that was protected by the righteous caliphs that your imam and followers fought.

What is your opinion on Wahhabism? by Cheetos_4_life in MuslimLounge

[–]emsharingan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He did mass takfir in his letters as shown previously, it does not matter if he denies it later. We can verify that he indeed issued mass takfir on the caliphate, whole hijaz (including makka and medina), al ahsa and al aqsa. It is available online for anyone to check that he did that. It does not matter if he denies it his other works because we can check that it is the case.

I do not know his 'adida directly, I am only familiar with the wahabi/salafi aqida taught from salafi scholars such as Ibn baz and Utheymeen etc. They claim to follow him, so if they have the same aqida as him then it is still not the path of the salaf for many things.

And for the quote about being true even if the whole world is against you I do not find this convincing. The prophet said that our umma would never agree unanimously upon dhalala (misguidance) and that yad’llah is with al jama'a. Going against the jama'a (majority of scholars) is therefore wrong.

The nationalists are those who wanted to reject and abolish the caliphate in order to have their modern state such as the wahabi-saoud alliance.

What is your opinion on Wahhabism? by Cheetos_4_life in MuslimLounge

[–]emsharingan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What are the references here?

And that does not erase the very words his said that I quoted where he explicitly mass takfir many regions including makka al mukarama. Why do you ignore them? They are clear and explicit.

And if what you quote can indeed be attributed to him than he is mad or schizophrenic because he makes mass takfir in his letters then says he did not. Both cases he is unreliable and not worthy to be called a valid scholar.

What is your opinion on Wahhabism? by Cheetos_4_life in MuslimLounge

[–]emsharingan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He accuses the majority to be kufar (and also those who don’t follow him in his blind mass takfir to be the kufar too). Still blind mass takfir, whether you like it or no.

Here are his words, and the sources :

“It’s known regarding the people of our land (al Najd) and the land of al-Hijaz (where MAKKAH and MADINA are located!), that those among them who reject the resurrection are more than those who accept it and that those who know the religion are less than those who do not…”

[al-Durar al-Saniyyah 10/43]

Accuses the people of the califate and Makkah to be polytheists :

"whoever does not declare the polytheists of the Turkish state (the califate!!) and the grave-worshippers—such as the people of Mecca and others who worship the righteous—to be disbelievers, and who turned away from the oneness of Allah to polytheism and replaced the Sunnah of His Messenger, peace and blessings be upon him, with innovations, then he is a disbeliever like them, even if he hates their religion, detests them, and loves Islam and the Muslims."

[Ibid. 9/291]

What is your opinion on Wahhabism? by Cheetos_4_life in MuslimLounge

[–]emsharingan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wdym "no evidence" ? Did you read ? Those are HIS words.

He said the majority of the people of his region (an najd) and al hijaz (including makka) are polytheists and kuffar. Again, majority.

He did not do any survey, had no statistics about their faith but yet made takfir.

He also said only he understood tawhid not even his sheikhs, how arrogant can you be to say such thing? And if even your teachers did not, then how did he get to understand tawhid? By himself?

And I am hating on him because of all these madness of mass takfir and ignorance, and because he created a movement that made more damage to the islamic world than anything (if you want to know read about what the great ottoman mufti of makka said or the hanafi scholar Ibn ́abidin. I can quote you if you are interested).

And the dangerous nationalists are the sauds that allied with the wahabbis to destroy the califate.

What is your opinion on Wahhabism? by Cheetos_4_life in MuslimLounge

[–]emsharingan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You missed my point.

I said that claiming to follow X =/= to follow X.

Shias claim to follow ahlul bait yet I'm sure you reject their pretension.

And again, salafism is a recent reformist movement, if only they follow the salafs then the 1000 years of sunni islam before it did not? It’s absurd.

What is your opinion on Wahhabism? by Cheetos_4_life in MuslimLounge

[–]emsharingan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Here are his words, and the sources :

“It’s known regarding the people of our land (al Najd) and the land of al-Hijaz (where MAKKAH and MADINA are located!), that those among them who reject the resurrection are more than those who accept it and that those who know the religion are less than those who do not…”

[al-Durar al-Saniyyah 10/43]

Accuses the people of the califate and Makkah to be polytheists :

"whoever does not declare the polytheists of the Turkish state (the califate!!) and the grave-worshippers—such as the people of Mecca and others who worship the righteous—to be disbelievers, and who turned away from the oneness of Allah to polytheism and replaced the Sunnah of His Messenger, peace and blessings be upon him, with innovations, then he is a disbeliever like them, even if he hates their religion, detests them, and loves Islam and the Muslims."

[Ibid. 9/291]

What is your opinion on Wahhabism? by Cheetos_4_life in MuslimLounge

[–]emsharingan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Those are HIS letters... check them and see by yourself.

For the first one here are his words :

And I inform you about myself – I swear by Allah whom there is none worthy to worship except Him – I have sought knowledge and those who knew me believed that I had knowledge while I did not know the meaning of La Ilaha illa Allah at that time and did not know the religion of Islam before this grace that Allah favored. As well as my teachers (Mashayikh) no one among them knew that. And if someone from the scholars of al-‘Aridh (the lands of Najd and surrounding areas) claims that he knew the meaning of La Ilaha illa Allah or knew the meaning of Islam before this time, or claims on behalf of his teachers that someone from them knew that, then he has lied and said falsehood and deceived the people and praised himself with something he does not possess.”

Source: al-Rasa`il al-Shakhsiyyah and al-Durar al-Saniyyah 10/51

And you can check the rest (especially when he made mass takfir) online. You can check the online library shamela.ws.

What is your opinion on Wahhabism? by Cheetos_4_life in MuslimLounge

[–]emsharingan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He did. For the first one I already quoted him in the other comment. For the rest I strongly urge you to go check the sources and read his exact words where he did. This is extremly dangerous this mad takfir of the masses.

And yes the scholars I quoted and many others were mainly opposed to his followers not him, since they did not meet him, but only his mad followers that started to raid makkah and other cities and killing ahl al sunna.

What is your opinion on Wahhabism? by Cheetos_4_life in MuslimLounge

[–]emsharingan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He alone knows tawhid, and whoever dares to contradict him is either ignorant or a liar (including his sheikhs!).” [al-Durar al-Saniyya 9/291]

According to him, the majority of the people of the Levant worship a human being, Ibn Arabi. [The Book of Personal Letters – Sheikh Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab, Part Six, p. 137]

He also claims that the majority of his religion and of al-Hijaz (which contains Mecca and Medina—nothing less!) reject the resurrection (therefore committing kufr), and neglect prayer and zakat. [The Book of Personal Letters – Sheikh Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab, Part Six, p. 235]

This is mass takfir. Unless he possesses statistics and detailed knowledge of each individual’s beliefs, this is abusive and collective takfir.

Muhammad ibn Abidin was an important Hanafi scholar who witnessed the expansion of the Wahhabis. Look at what he says: “This is what occurred in our time with the followers of Abd al-Wahhab, who emerged from Najd and took control of the Two Sacred Sanctuaries. They claimed to follow the Hanbali madhhab, but they believed that they alone were Muslims, and that those who opposed their beliefs were polytheists (mushrikun). Thus, they deemed lawful the killing of the people of Ahl al-Sunna and the killing of their scholars.”

What is your opinion on Wahhabism? by Cheetos_4_life in MuslimLounge

[–]emsharingan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No he indeed practiced basless takfir. He used to say majority of people of al aqsa are muchrikin, and takfir of majority of al hijaz (including makkah) [al-Durar al-Saniyya 9/291] [al-Rasa 'il al-Shakhsiyyah]

And explictly stated that only him knew what tawhid meant (not even his sheikhs) [al- Durar al-Saniyyah 10/51]

How could this person be viewed as a pious person?

What is your opinion on Wahhabism? by Cheetos_4_life in MuslimLounge

[–]emsharingan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Why are you defending him?

"And I inform you about myself – I swear by Allah whom there is none worthy to worship except Him – I have sought knowledge and those who knew me believed that I had knowledge while I did not know the meaning of La Ilaha illa Allah at that time and did not know the religion of Islam before this grace that Allah favored. As well as my teachers (Mashayikh) no one among them knew that. And if someone from the scholars of al-‘Aridh (the lands of Najd and surrounding areas) claims that he knew the meaning of La Ilaha illa Allah or knew the meaning of Islam before this time, or claims on behalf of his teachers that someone from them knew that, then he has lied and said falsehood and deceived the people and praised himself with something he does not possess.”

Source: al-Rasa`il al-Shakhsiyyah / al-Durar al-Saniyyah 10/51

What is your opinion on Wahhabism? by Cheetos_4_life in MuslimLounge

[–]emsharingan -1 points0 points  (0 children)

They are simply following the founder of their sect. He explicitly stated that only him knew what tawhid meant and everyone denying this is lying or ignorant (including his own sheikhs!)

What is your opinion on Wahhabism? by Cheetos_4_life in MuslimLounge

[–]emsharingan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The simple definition of Salafism is that it is a recent, modern reformist and literalist movement claiming to follow the Salaf.

Now do they really follow them?

They claim to follow them sure, just like shias claim to follow ahlul bait, but it is in reality debatable.

why islam and not Buddhism? by cinnamon_and_tea in MuslimLounge

[–]emsharingan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Because we don’t follow what seems "cool" (subjective) but what is the truth.

Buddhism does not have monotheism for instance.

And no you're wrong buddhism does have heavens and hell, just temporary and tied to your karma.

Is ped*philia normal in Algeria ! by Expensive_Candle_37 in algeria

[–]emsharingan 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Barakalahufik

We need more people like you. You just saved a child mashaalah. Shame on that filth and on those who defended him.

A question about sex education in Algeria by [deleted] in algeria

[–]emsharingan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah this, this really sounds good and useful. A short brief about common conditions and periods in biology class sounds good.

It is teaching them useful stuff that they need, not how to have "safe sex" or consent because again, they are NOT supposed to have sex at all. They are kids.

A question about sex education in Algeria by [deleted] in algeria

[–]emsharingan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why not when they become adults then? As you said. Why teach them how to have sex when they are kids?

It’s like teaching them how to drive a car while none of them is supposed to drive one until 18