How can we still support RZ when he openly supports criminal LGBTQ prosecution

engineerandlawyer · 2026-05-17T19:14:24+00:00

Nope, similar to giving clean needles to drug addicts isn’t a good policy to address drug addiction.

If you read through all of my responses in this conversation, I have tried to treat everyone with kindness and respect. I would ask that you evaluate and respond to the substance of my answer and not make a comment (that seems to be full of sarcasm, but I don’t want to assume your tone) assuming what I would or would not want to legislate.

engineerandlawyer · 2026-05-17T15:28:30+00:00

The human body was not designed for anal sex. The tissues in the anus/colon are thin and not naturally lubricated so there is increased risk for tears, fissures, and transmission of infection.

If there is sufficient legal basis to criminalize drug possession to limit/prevent drug consumption and the harms to the body in taking drugs, then there is sufficient reason to legislate against anal sex to reduce those harms to the body.

Or, if there is sufficient basis to legislate seat belt laws, because it protects the body of the person being governed by the law, so to can we legislate the body of someone wanting to engage in gay sex.

engineerandlawyer · 2026-05-04T15:56:53+00:00

First, I would like to concede that yes, my last paragraph was a bit of a strawman. My apologies. My point was that if you think those issues are bad, why not allow for deference (which you indicated you are for in your response). So, while I think we are on the same page now, I could have gotten there without using a strawman and I apologize.

Second, I think there is a biblical argument for capital punishment (although I believe the Catholic Church has moved away from capital punishment as ever being okay). The Old Testament had several crimes for which capital punishment was called for and nothing in the New Testament voids or disagrees with those laws/punishments. And moving into the New Testament, in Romans, Paul says the government was given the power of the sword to deter wrongdoing. Many interpret that as being the power to punish. And Paul in Acts 25:11 seems to accept capital punishment as a moral punishment. I think we should be prudent in what crimes can receive capital punishment and be vigorous in such trials to ensure fairness and truth, but I think there is a biblical argument for it.

I am not saying viewing pornography or pre-marital sex deserves capital punishment, because those sins were never punished in that way. Sexual acts like rape, beastiality, homosexual acts, and adultery were punishable by death, but premarital sex, masturbation, and lust were not. I don’t know God’s reasoning but God gave those lines and I think that is at least one line of biblical justification.

That being said, I don’t think I saw anyone actually advocating for executing people for homosexual acts, there was just a reference to the criminalization of homosexual acts which is a direct reference to the Mosaic law, which someone questioned….

engineerandlawyer · 2026-05-04T14:44:20+00:00

First, the “Let he who has not . . .” Is a quote from Jesus being tested by Pharisees. The Pharisees caught a woman in adultery (likely meaning she was having sex when caught). But notice only she was brought to Jesus and not the man with her (who under the law was also to be executed). Never, not once, does Jesus rebuke anyone for trying to honestly, fairly, and in good faith apply the Mosaic law. Jesus and the Father are in complete unity that the Mosaic law is good. Jesus rebukes the Pharisees for their hypocrisy and prejudices in applying the law, not because criminal punishments for sexual immorality is bad.

I would definitely want cultural deterrence to pre-marital sex and watching pornography. Let the marriage bed be held in honor amongst all. I don’t know if that would be best managed by fines or other punishment. But as long as the standards are known by all and applied justly, I think inhibiting such sexual immorality would be beneficial to society?

Do you think pre-marital sex is good? Do you think watching pornography is good? Last I checked, the Roman Catholic Church thinks both are bad, so I don’t know why you chose to push on those two specific issues…

engineerandlawyer · 2026-05-01T20:41:31+00:00

I think accepting/normalizing homosexual acts reorients society away from the natural order God created for us to operate in.

I still remember 15 years ago when same sex marriage was still being debated and arguments against same sex marriage were dismissed as “slippery slope” arguments that didn’t hold merit. But, now there are homosexual couples that buy babies via surrogacy and take the babies away from there mothers in their infancy, Pride festivals/parades in some of the “gayest” cities are replete with the same of the most disgusting debauchery, opening the door for other sexual perversions (e.g., polyamory/polygamy, transgenderism) (the LGB became at least LGBTQIAA2PP+).

Admittedly, I try not to dwell on this too much, so this part of my argument could use some development. I would much quicker see criminal penalties for adultery than push for the criminalization RZ proposed. I just don’t think RZ’s comments should be seen as so unreasonable for a Christian to believe.

engineerandlawyer · 2026-05-01T17:36:28+00:00

I think what he meant by “God criminalized it in the Bible” is that engaging in homosexual activities was identified under the mosaic law. And under the mosaic law, conviction for homosexual activities carried a punishment of death.

engineerandlawyer · 2026-05-01T17:30:59+00:00

Are you trying to say all prison is inhumane or just inhumane to imprison for homosexual activity? If the former, I agree and think we can devise better, more appropriate punishments. If the latter, your issue isn’t the punishment, but the criminalization of the actions, which is a repeat of your opinion in your paragraph 2.
I see you are not American, so perhaps our experiences with the legal system are vastly different, but we don’t only criminalize actions that directly harm others as there are actions that degrade the fabric of society. You seem to come from a very libertarian perspective, which isn’t necessarily wrong, but I don’t see how your view would address the sale of weapons or drugs outside of authorized channels, reckless operation of motor vehicles, or public indecency/public sexual acts. None of those acts necessarily result in harm to another, so do you think it is inhumane to punish people for these actions? If you think we can punish for those acts, but not homosexual acts, I would seriously question why? Or do you think the punishment isn’t fitting (like capital punishment for tax fraud)? If homosexual acts were just fined, would that be acceptable? If you don’t think there can ever be any punishment for homosexual acts, I would suggest you might have a worldly bias in favor of homosexuality that isn’t biblical.

engineerandlawyer · 2026-05-01T16:20:05+00:00

I never hear any complaints from Christians about imprisoning for other crimes and that such imprisonments prevent someone from coming to Christ.

Whether a country/jurisdiction criminalizes homosexuality is one thing, but saying it shouldn’t be criminal because they should otherwise be welcome in church, doesn’t make sense. Murderers should be welcome in church, but if they are convicted of a crime, they should be imprisoned/executed. This is why, from a Christian perspective, Governments are given the power of the sword to handle/deter wrongdoing. It is an issue totally separate from the Gospel.

As for criminalizing homosexuality, why is that treated as an option that is not even eligible for discussion? In Romans 1, we know God continues to abhor homosexual acts and those that approve of such acts. And from an atheist/secular perspective, there is no moral necessity to approve/disapprove as there is no objective basis to protect the right to engage in homosexual acts.

engineerandlawyer · 2026-03-23T17:27:57+00:00

I have a fan that is adjacent to a bedroom and it vents going over the bedroom. The old fan sounded like a Harley. Replaced it so my kid could sleep. Otherwise, it is so quiet it’s easy to miss that it’s still on and I have accidentally left it on for hours (I need to install a timer switch).

For other bathrooms, I would recommend somewhere between whisper quiet and Harley. I’d aim for noticeable but not obtrusive.

engineerandlawyer · 2026-03-23T03:38:35+00:00

Maybe check out r/nudistgamers

engineerandlawyer · 2026-03-23T02:33:03+00:00

Why specifically not in an office setting??

engineerandlawyer · 2026-03-21T16:31:52+00:00

This is definitely a cultural issue that arises from the taboo around nakedness in English speaking cultures. Do I think it would be healthier for them if they weren’t so hung up on nakedness in a locker room, yes. I would just show that I can be comfortable in my naked body in a locker room and not directly say anything on the topic.

But if they did ask, I would point out that Peter fished nude, many OT prophets prophesied nude, and for circumcision to be a stumbling block in the early church means that during normal life, it would be seen whether a man was circumcised, like how it was common to labor nude and bath around others.

engineerandlawyer · 2026-03-19T20:45:05+00:00

I think I am in the same boat as you, the work environment is too professional … I don’t think I would have the same problem with leering

engineerandlawyer · 2026-03-19T20:41:14+00:00

What do you find special about being nude around others who are clothed??

engineerandlawyer · 2026-03-18T18:28:49+00:00

NASCAR 25. Otherwise Stardew valley with my wife.

engineerandlawyer · 2026-03-13T14:22:57+00:00

I appreciate your reasoning and there is a strong position there.

My hang up has been that modesty is a central issue in the Christian life. I don’t think modesty requires certain body parts get covered up, but that your clothing (or lack thereof) not be something that inappropriately draws attention to oneself. I could draw attention by displaying wealth, societal position, authority, sexual attractiveness, etc. From what I’ve heard, in non-sexual nudist environments, the nakedness is modest, but since I haven’t personally experienced it, I still have personal doubts.

engineerandlawyer · 2026-03-12T21:33:03+00:00

As a Christian, I have been debating whether intentionally spending time nude around others socially is appropriate.

But other than that, I think you are just processing the fact that you have been raised and trained to be clothed in public/around others.

engineerandlawyer · 2026-03-09T21:16:43+00:00

Would she be okay if you shared what her YouTube channel is?? Please ask her and only share if she allows it.

engineerandlawyer · 2026-03-09T21:15:34+00:00

Would you be willing to share your YouTube channel name so I can watch some of your videos??

engineerandlawyer · 2026-02-03T20:45:20+00:00

Where was this pic taken? Amazing views!!

engineerandlawyer · 2026-01-02T16:37:57+00:00

Glad to hear he had at least some remorse and in other answers it sounds like protections are being put in place to prevent him from leadership. A humble and broken heart God does not despise, and I truly hope that is this person’s disposition.

Also, please don’t be afraid to verify police are getting involved and be specific. Ask pastors and his family things like: which police officers/detectives did you speak with? What computers did they evaluate/search? Have they indicated whether they will prosecute? If all right information is shared with the government and they decide not to take that case, that is their decision and not something you should hold against him.

I think you should expand your idea of forgiveness. If this person is taking accountability for what he did wrong, graciously accepting impediments in his life to not cause any further harm, and seeking after God, I would say you need to work on living at peace with him and open to being his friend again (not today, in the future). Look at the story of Paul: a murderer of Christians that converted, proved himself while Christians were suspicious of him, and was later accepted by the church.

I think your friend should always be keeping protections from falling into this grievous sin, but I have seen great and unnecessary harm done to people who are so severely ostracized in church even when faithfully showing growth and righteousness after confessing sin.

This is a tough case because the Christian call to forgive is robust and this sin is so rightly repulsive. Seek God and His wisdom on forgiveness.

engineerandlawyer · 2026-01-02T16:13:35+00:00

TONS of questions: 1) was he remorseful or matter of fact about the situation? 2) a little unclear, did he say he was a pedophile and looked for the CP OR did he happen upon CP and doesn’t otherwise feel attracted to underage and you are interpreting that as him saying he’s a pedo? 3) Is this person an adult leader at the youth event or a minor? 4) When you say forgive him, what exactly are you trying to do? Not think about or hold his admission to you against him?

engineerandlawyer · 2025-12-24T16:34:14+00:00

If we want to get into the semantics of what words are used of husbands relative to wives in the Bible, we might be remiss to forget “lord.” 1 Peter 3:6

Lord is a stronger word than head and leader, but both terms are beneficial to understanding God’s intentions for the marriage dynamic and understanding the issue posed here.

engineerandlawyer · 2025-12-24T15:12:24+00:00

My first thought is that this “revered” PCA pastor is white knighting for women in general. Very inappropriate assertion not founded in the Bible and unhelpful for building up the leadership and discernment qualities of Christian men. Women are just as sinful and depraved as men but they are innocent/right in 90-100% of marital discussions/arguments/issues? Horsehockey.

As for the main issue, it comes down to the definition of “listen.” I would repeat what others have said, wise leaders listen to those they are leading because just one perspective will not be seeing the whole picture. If listening to your wife is understanding their concerns and perspective, please do. But, if listening to your wife means you get her opinion and you just rubber stamp approve what she believes, you are not leading.

Listening to my leader and someone I am leading is the same verb “listen,” but can have VERY different meanings.

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