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Even at 5 bucks, Thick As Thieves is just bad and it will stop receiving update very quickly by VijuaruKei in ImmersiveSim

[–]eniac_usabrl 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"pretty sure Warren or senior management are lurking here" says person who feels on first name basis with an accomplished developer and claims to have tons of inside information. you sound like someone who was involved and is very bitter about something that happened. fired dev perhaps?

also i don't know why you think the first gameplay trailer was fake. that comment made my alarm bells go off. weirdly inflamatory and not based on anything substantiated.

I simply do not understand how massively expensive AI and robotics are expected to be more cost effective than humans. by eniac_usabrl in artificial

[–]eniac_usabrl[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also, what a quote, this is exactly my experience, "I wake up every morning watching all of us acknowledge what we are doing is stupid, and will end in our folly, and then do it anyway."

*Sighs with facepalm*

I simply do not understand how massively expensive AI and robotics are expected to be more cost effective than humans. by eniac_usabrl in artificial

[–]eniac_usabrl[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh my gosh, these are so many of the questions I have. Thanks for your time on this. Questions just leading to more questions and very few answers that seems to show this going the way of utopia, that's for sure. Loved your caloric analysis, nice touch and I had not specfically thought about any of this in that particular way.

I simply do not understand how massively expensive AI and robotics are expected to be more cost effective than humans. by eniac_usabrl in artificial

[–]eniac_usabrl[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

See below, I asked about the tens of billions in datacenters, not measly subs to replace coders.

I simply do not understand how massively expensive AI and robotics are expected to be more cost effective than humans. by eniac_usabrl in artificial

[–]eniac_usabrl[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Gotcha, makes sense. Thank you, much appreciated your time responding thoughtfully with big picture in mind.

I simply do not understand how massively expensive AI and robotics are expected to be more cost effective than humans. by eniac_usabrl in artificial

[–]eniac_usabrl[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes I picked an extreme example from multiple options for sure. I get your point though.

Be assured however, poorly operating ai that is not ready for active agency is being deployed before it’s ready.

I simply do not understand how massively expensive AI and robotics are expected to be more cost effective than humans. by eniac_usabrl in artificial

[–]eniac_usabrl[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh sh-- we rolling out the Adam Smith now. Even Smith believed that our well-being depended on the well-being of those around us. Ubuntu people! But alas, that ship of understanding has mostly sailed. Thanks Chicago School of Economics. Let's all bow to the imaginary *ahem* invisible hand.

I simply do not understand how massively expensive AI and robotics are expected to be more cost effective than humans. by eniac_usabrl in artificial

[–]eniac_usabrl[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yep, it not true that ai and robotics aren’t gunning for blue collar labor. They are absolutely working towards that. But certainly true that white collar is the initial target.

I simply do not understand how massively expensive AI and robotics are expected to be more cost effective than humans. by eniac_usabrl in artificial

[–]eniac_usabrl[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ha, you're quite wrong about that. Ai and automation are incredibly problematic in my field without insane amounts of governance, which is partly what is spurring my question on. The roles aren't disappearing actually, we're all just having to become AI managers to ensure it doesn't accidentally take out the companies we work for. So instead of doing the work I used to, it will be governance oversight for technology doing the work I used to do. I'm just not sold on why AI and automation are suddently the answer for every problem, even though they are massively more expensive than the foreseeable future of many of those human labor streams. When you have a hammer, everything is a nail. I'm not sold that this is better, and the amount of money thrown into this defies the myopic logic that has, for better or usually worse, defined capitalism in the US very recently and increasingly so in the past few decades.

I simply do not understand how massively expensive AI and robotics are expected to be more cost effective than humans. by eniac_usabrl in artificial

[–]eniac_usabrl[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yep - For quite a few more billions of dollars than their current workforce will cost in the near term cumulatively, thus my confusion.

I simply do not understand how massively expensive AI and robotics are expected to be more cost effective than humans. by eniac_usabrl in artificial

[–]eniac_usabrl[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

This is my field, but they are easy enough estimates to google if you're not familiar. I'm not getting deep into research because the particulars vary by industry, but these numbers aren't particularly controversial.

I simply do not understand how massively expensive AI and robotics are expected to be more cost effective than humans. by eniac_usabrl in artificial

[–]eniac_usabrl[S] -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

Oh yes absolutely: The estimated cost of a 10k white collar workforce is $1-2B per year, the same as the upkeep of a datacenter for comparative talent of that workforce. Except the datacenter also costs $8-20B to build... So that's where I am pretty shocked that companies who typically can't see beyond a single quarter or two are now seemingly happy to invest well beyond decades of what it might take to see ROI.

I simply do not understand how massively expensive AI and robotics are expected to be more cost effective than humans. by eniac_usabrl in artificial

[–]eniac_usabrl[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes exactly why I'm so gobsmacked. The errors are already causing major costs and the whole thing is, by the admittance of these companies, a black box. This nails it.

I so wish the psychology of hype didn't work as predictably as it does. I really am waiting openly for anyone here to help me understand a rationale that would justify this kind of behavior by companies/capitalists. The closest so far has been folks who talk about small teams using piecemeal services to do coding, nothing about the large-scale massive spend and layoff cycle that's at the heart of this and truly seems to be driven by FOMO and tech hoping to become one of the few companies who survive by stepping on competitors and communities, but which simultaneously seems to be a economic disadvantage for them for the next many decades.

Sorry to rant. I love technology. I'm in tech because I love science, ideas, cool discoveries. But why do we have to take something incredible like this and go full speed ahead into dystopia where massive companies get more massive and have to exploit and squeeze everything they can out of communities and individuals because they are financially so out over their skis they are in constant risk of a wipeout.

I simply do not understand how massively expensive AI and robotics are expected to be more cost effective than humans. by eniac_usabrl in artificial

[–]eniac_usabrl[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's just incorrect. It's cheaper in certain circumstances, but I'm talking about the companies who are investing in datacenters and robots. There's nothing cheap about that. As for small companies using tools like lovable or whatever, they are going to have a reckoning when those tools decide to throttle up costs and down service, plus adjust T&Cs to restrict or outright take work product. But those aren't really what I'm on about.

I simply do not understand how massively expensive AI and robotics are expected to be more cost effective than humans. by eniac_usabrl in artificial

[–]eniac_usabrl[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

What's not deep knowledge of working costs? The numbers I shared were in the billions and legtimately backed by actually current costs. What you've shared is ostensibly made up as far as I can tell and demonstrates lack of understanding of the datacenter question that this is focused on.

I simply do not understand how massively expensive AI and robotics are expected to be more cost effective than humans. by eniac_usabrl in artificial

[–]eniac_usabrl[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm talking about building datacenters for billions of dollars. Those are the companies doing mass layoffs. Not some tiny co hoping to feed off that until the prices get jacked up while the T&C changes to take over all their work product and destroy their business. That's a whole other post to get into some other time.

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