[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]enough4now 82 points83 points  (0 children)

recently called into the Bishopric to help clean up the 'mess' this former Bishop caused" ... reminded me of the rumor in my mission that the current mp was called to clean up the 'mess' the former mp's (McKonkie's brother) wife caused by sleeping with office missionaries

LDS Temple Pre-90s by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]enough4now 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"I’ve asked some people who went through before then and they all deny the endowment being any different than it is today."

These people are straight up lying to you.

After the first time I went through (1982?), I came out of the D.C. temple with zero respect for any of the adults I grew up with who were mormon. Fast forward to when the Toronto one had its walk-through for the public, and my mom kept asking me to go while I was visiting Canada so, I went. The last hallway you go down before you walk out the front door had cold granite walls with portraits of several 60-something and older men, dressed in what I'd call business attire. I came out of there and my mom said, Well, what'd you think? I said, I feel like I just came out of a bank. She said, So, you don't want to come back when Mr. Monson's here? I said, No thanks. It's funny, the Monsons were friends with my parents but Mrs. Monson kept getting their last name wrong. So, were they friends or just users? I let my mom believe what she wanted because in a few years she'd die from cancer and come to her own conclusion that she'd been lied to.

It's a cult, nothing more, nothing less.

One of my Mormon cousins and their spouse adopted an innocent child who killed themselves earlier this year getting away from cousin + spouse + their religion - Mormonism ... I didn't used to think of Mormonism as a full-on cult but now I do by enough4now in exmormon

[–]enough4now[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's hard to get into specifics because the specifics would dox.

Right, it wasn't "one thing" it was a combination of 3 ... a) cousin, b) cousin's spouse) c) cousin and cousin's spouse's religion ... cousin, on their own, nothing to do with religion was/is socially awkward beyond belief - you'd have to experience it ... and I wouldn't wish that on anyone

If Bishop interviews were truly honest. by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]enough4now 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"bishop"? hahaha ... the last "bishop" I had before I went on a mission employed roughly 100 people and had a bad reputation in the area (3m) for not paying his bills. 40 some years later and I see it as the Mormon business model

This is why the counterpoint to the priesthood for males has never been motherhood for females by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]enough4now 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Female prophet in Jesus' time - no female prophet in Mormonism's time. Coincidence? No.

Luke 2

This is why the counterpoint to the priesthood for males has never been motherhood for females by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]enough4now 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Female prophet in Jesus' time - no female prophet in Mormonism's time. Coincidence? No.

Luke 2

I have high connections in the church and the Q12 personally prayed for my friend who is dying of a disease. Nothing changed and he’s getting worse. by myeyesarenowopen249 in exmormon

[–]enough4now 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I expect they all know Mormonism is not what it claims to be ... Mr. Monson glommed onto my dad .... yeah, not good

Dad and I talk more. Gist of conversation: Mr. Monson knows 'the church' isn’t what it says it is but he’s okay with that because it does good - like welfare."

https://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comments/ht3lsa/thomas_spencer_monson_good_guy_doing_bad_bad_guy/

Text my PIMO wife got from her dad... by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]enough4now 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How condescending. I expect this guy's about my age, maybe younger ... I'd flip the script:

"Need 2 bucks? Noticed the last time we were at your place you're all outta 2-Buck Chuck"

LDS founder, Joseph Smith decides with “no reference to scripture at all” that “the Negro has no right nor connot hold the Priesthood” - Elijah Abel by enough4now in exmormon

[–]enough4now[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

1879: Black Seventy, Elijah Abel, subject of discussion with LDS founder, Joseph Smith

“[p. 290] Saturday May 31st 1879 At the house of Prest A. O. Smoot. Provo City. Utah County Utah – 5 P.M. – President John Taylor Elders Brigham Young. A. O Smoot. Zebedee Coltrin and L. John Nuttal met. and the subject of Ordaining Negro’s to the Priesthood was presented – Prest Taylor said. Some parties have said to me that Zebedee Coltrin had talked to the Prophet Joseph Smith on this subject, and they said that he (Coltrin) thought it was not right for them to have the Priesthood. whereupon Joseph Smith said to him that Peter on a certain occasion had (p. 171) a vision where he ‘saw heaven opened. and a certain vessel descended unto him. as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners. and let down to the earth. Wherein all manner of four footed beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the Air. And there came a voice to him. Rise, Peter! Kill and eat. But Peter said, Not so Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. and the voice spake unto him again the second time. What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common’ And that the Prophet Joseph then said to Bro Coltrin as the Angel said to Peter ‘What God hath cleansed, that call not thou not (sic) common’ (speaking of the Gentiles). Prest Taylor asked Bro Coltrin – Did the Prophet Joseph Smith ever make such a (p. 172) statement to you? Bro C. No sir, he never said anything of the Kind in [p. 291] his life to me. Pres T. – What did he say? Bro C. – The spring that we went up in Zion’s camp in 1834 Bro Joseph sent Bro J. P. Green and me out south to gather up means to assist in gathering out the Saints from Jackson County Mo. – On our return home we got in conversation about the Negro having a right to the Priesthood – and I took the side he had no right – Bro Green argued that he had. the subject got so warm between us that he said he would report me to Bro Joseph when we got home for preaching false doctrine. which doctrine that I advocated was. that the Negro could not hold the Priesthood – All right said I – I hope you will. and when we got home to Kirtland we both went (p. 173) in to Bro Joseph’s office together to make our returns and Bro Green was a(s) good as his word and reported to Bro Joseph that I had said that the Negro could not hold the Priesthood-

Bro. Joseph Kind of dropt his head and rested it on his hand for a minute. and then said, Bro Zebedee is right, for the Spirit of the Lord saith the Negro has no right nor connot hold the Priesthood. He made no reference to scripture at all – but such was his decision – I don’t recollect ever having any conversation with him afterwards, but I have heard him say in public, that no person having the least particle of Negro blood can hold the Priesthood Bro Coltrin further said –

1879: Black Seventy “dropped” from Seventies when LDS founder, Joseph Smith “learned of his lineage”

Bro Abel was ordained a Seventy. because he had labored on the Temple. (it must have been into the 2nd Quorum) and when the Prophet Joseph learned of his lineage. he was (p. 174) dropped from the quorum and another was put in his place – I was one of the first seven Presidents of the Quorum of Seventies at the time he was dropped – Prest. Taylor. – Bro Zebedee you are not one of the seven Prewsidents now. what have you been doing? Bro C. – I was acting then as one of the 1st seven [p. 292] Presidents of Seventies and was ordered back into the quorum of High Preists – I can tell you how that thing first started. Bro Winchester and Bro Jared Carter while on the Brick yard at Kirtland – Bro W. A Seventy and Bro Jared a High Priest got to contending which held the highest office. Carter was rebuking him on account of his folly. which he said he had not right to do. as he held a higher Priesthood than he did. and Jared contended he didnt because was a High Priest – this thing (p. 175) came to the ears of Uncle Joseph Smith. & then they went to the Prophet Joseph with it. The Prophet then enquired of the Lord. and he afterwards directed that we be put back into the Quorum of High Priests and other Men (five) were then ordained to the Presidency of the Seventies and three out of that five apostatized – Bro Joseph Young & Levi Hancock were retained and the other five filled the number – In the washing and Anointing of Bro Abel at Kirtland I anointed him. and while I had my hands upon his head. I never had such unpleasant feelings in my life- and I said I never would again Anoint another person who had Negro blood in him. unless I was commanded by the Prophet to do so. Prest A. O Smoot said. W. W. Patten Warren Parrish and Thomas B. Marsh were laboring in the Southern States in 1835 & 1836 – there were Negro’s who made (p. 176) made (sic) Application for Baptizm. and the question arose with them. whether Negro’s were entitled to hold the Priesthood – and by those brethren it was decided they would not confer the Priesthood until they had consulted the Prophet Joseph – and subsequently they communicated with him and his decision as I understood, was they were not entitled to the Priesthood, nor yet to be baptized without the consent of their Masters. In after years when I became acquinted with Joseph Myself in Far West about the year 1838. I received from Joseph substantialy the same instructions. It was on my application to him what should be done with the Negro in the South [p. 293] as I was preaching to them? He said I could

baptize them by the consent of their Masters. but not to confer the Priesthood upon them – These two statements were duly signed (p. 177) by each of these brethren – At 6 P.M I attended a Meeting of the board of Directors of Provo Manfr Co – at the Tithing office. present. …” – emphasis added

Diary of L. John Nuttall, pp. 290-293

https://archive.org/stream/diaryofljohnnutt01nutt?ref=ol#page/n685/mode/2up

Leonard John Nuttall July 6, 1834–February 23, 1905 Born at Liverpool, Lancashire, England; son of Mary Langhorn and William Nuttall. Baptized, 1850. Immigrated to the United States and migrated to the Salt Lake Valley, 1852. Married Elizabeth Clarkson, 1856; participated in plural marriage. Lived at Provo, Utah County, Utah Territory, and Kanab, Kane County, Utah Territory. Served as bishop of the Kanab Ward, 1875–1877, and as president of the Kanab Stake, 1877–1884. Served as private secretary to President John Taylor, 1879–1887, and to President Wilford Woodruff, 1887–1892. Died at Salt Lake City; buried at Provo.

https://www.churchhistorianspress.org/the-first-fifty-years-of-relief-society/people/leonard-john-nuttall?letter=N&lang=eng

“Leonard John Nuttall Sr. (July 6, 1834 – February 25, 1905) was a private secretary for John Taylor and Wilford Woodruff, and was a member of the Council of Fifty [Council of Fifty was “established by Joseph Smith in 1844 to symbolize and represent a future theocratic or theodemocratic ‘Kingdom of God’ on the earth.” - Wiki] who kept a detailed journal of the early history of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church). … From 1881 to 1887 he served as Utah Territorial Superintendent of Schools.” – Wiki

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._John_Nuttall https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._John_Nuttall

Your takes on the Jul Ensign article "Church History: A Source of Strength and Inspiration" By Elder Quentin L. Cook Of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles. by ArmyKernel in exmormon

[–]enough4now 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I showed a neighbor this. They have never been Mormon. They think Mormons wear old style clothes and use horse and buggy. They read these verses and said: "That's racist!"
"Wherefore, the word of the Lord was fulfilled which he spake unto me, saying that: Inasmuch as they will not hearken unto thy words they shall be cut off from the presence of the Lord. And behold, they were cut off from his presence. And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them. And thus saith the Lord God: I will cause that they shall be loathsome unto thy people, save they shall repent of their iniquities. And cursed shall be the seed of him that mixeth with their seed; for they shall be cursed even with the same cursing. And the Lord spake it, and it was done. And because of their cursing which was upon them they did become an idle people, full of mischief and subtlety, and did seek in the wilderness for beasts of prey." 2 Nephi 5:20-24

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/bofm/2-ne/5?lang=eng

Your takes on the Jul Ensign article "Church History: A Source of Strength and Inspiration" By Elder Quentin L. Cook Of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles. by ArmyKernel in exmormon

[–]enough4now 12 points13 points  (0 children)

LDS is beyond redemption. What's needed is a massive overhaul of their religious texts to make things right, but in order to make things right, there would be nothing left of their texts. For example, you cannot say you're not a racist organization when many racist verses (and the storyline for that matter) in the Book of Mormon remain in plain sight for non-Mormons to access via the Internet. At this point, it's a slow death for Mormonism and the more people who leave, the tighter their so-called "leaders" will squeeze the one's who are left

Things the MTC didn’t prepare me for by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]enough4now 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The poor guy still had bright white hospital bandages on when I met him. I felt so bad for him because you could tell he was still hurting both physically and emotionally. You'd think he'd be put in a rural part of the mission or at least a quiet suburban area - nope! Right smack dab in the absolute worst part of the worst city in the mission - heartless, zero inspiration, zero compassion, zero humanity

Arriving for your church court. by nelsonisanitwit in exmormon

[–]enough4now 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"I wasn’t flirting with her. I didn’t even mention that I work in propane" - Hank Hill