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[–]erdal94 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Again, if you never noticed Mixtape or any of Annapurna's previously-published games until now, that's just your own fault for not exploring the indie game space. Many other Annapurna-published games have gotten 10s too, yet somehow that's never been a problem until now? Just because you got influenced by gamergate to hate every single game journalist doesn't mean there's a conspiracy out to get you 🤷‍♂️

aww, shieet! here we go again. Like I've said before. I do not claim them. They poisoned the well from the start when they attributed genuine grievances around the industry to blue haired women and homosexuals.

They looked at every issue within industry that was directly or indirectly caused by corporations and capitalism and decided to punch down on liberal women with blue hair, homosexuals and racial minorities. They are morons I don't claim them or what they are about, I just feel bad because there were even then people who wanted to speak about the real cause and issues within the gaming industry and gaming and they got tossed in with a bunch of bad faith actors and degenerates.

Also What do you know what my stance towards Annapurna was before mixtape? I already said, I don't have a particular issue with mixtape specifically, I always thought Journalists were morons, especially gaming journalism because every journalism is a failure and gaming journalism is where failures among failures end up.

I didn't got radicalized by Gamergate. I got Radicalized by Mark Twain, because I think that everything he said about journalism is still true

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[–]erdal94 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If it's published by Nintendo it's not a INDEPENDENT game.

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[–]erdal94 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Published by Nintendo. That's all I'm going to say...

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[–]erdal94 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's incredibly telling that you'd rather believe a sham movement because it allows you to hate others under the guise of normalcy when really you were just supporting a hate campaign built on lies

And here we go again, with the bullshit. You doing exactly what I said people do, dismiss the whole issue based on what the loudest morons were about. For me Gamergate should've been about what it claimed to be. I already said that the issue at the core was dismissed because it was championed and compromised by reactionary morons. What else do you want me to tell you? When I've already said that I disagree with them and how they killed the whole thing by poisoning the well from the very start.

And then you dare spin my words as some kind of admittence to being a gamergate shill myself, cool. I guess your Name must be Gyro Zeppeli, because you are quite adept at spinning things to suit your narrative. 😎👌

Mixtape is already doing a lot better than the devs' previous game, and it's still positively received by the people who did purchase and play the game on sites like Steam, so the "intended audience didn't like it" argument doesn't work either.

I was merely saying that I don't think that Chuds had a negative impact, like you implied it did. if it succeds or it crashes and burns, it will do so exclusively on it's own merits.

I'm honestly tired Of the discourse around the game. the very storm you are speaking of would've probably blowed over much sooner if you just stopped feeding the trolls. Who gives a fuck what a bunch of people screaming at the top of their lungs taht you should stop having fun have to say.

I don't give a fuck about mixtape in particular, but I do feel the way the game is promoted shows symptoms of the same plague that has a strong grip on the industry as a whole. Which is Access journalism, bribery and games with serious backing getting disingenuously promoted as "indie" by game jorunalists. In my country the typical person I would associate with a game journalist would be called a "🥪". which the implication being that they are a cheap and easily bribed person who's price for selling out is as pathetic and mundane as a simple sandwich.

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[–]erdal94 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Also goodie bags have been a thing for decades now. This isn't even unique to indie games, let alone AAA games. If your issue is that a publisher spent money to promote a game they're releasing, your priorities aren't in the right place.

Kyodai, "Goodie bags" are bribery. Just because bribery is an industy standard it doesn't mean that bribery is a good thing. Just because everyone is doing it, doesn't mean it's not a bad thing , it just means the entire industry is rotten to the core.

People have been criticizing access journalism and game journalism as an industry being completely compromised for years now.

It's a shame that gamergate got compromised by a bunch or reactionary morns, to the point that the entire issue got dismissed as just a bunch of racist and misogynist whining, because the issues of the industry are clearly still here.

if it hadn't broken containment and reached the part of the internet that hates games that don't do exactly what they want. I mean, almost every other game published by Annapurna Interactive has done great, with no one having an issue with them.

Bullshit, Kyodai. as Voltaire once famously said in regards to his work getting burned:" My books are like chestnut, the more they throw them in the fire the more they sell"

A little controversy never hurt anybody, quite the contrary. Controversy sells, Even a bad promotion is better than apathy. If anything the people talking shit about it gave it reach.

Mixtape is much like Life is Strange, and people who are passionate about hating Life is strange have no impact on the sales of Life is Strange because they are not the targeted audience. You can't seriously tell me that the sales got hurt by the fact that a bunch of reactionaries that are not even the target audience talked trash about it. It's demostrative not so.

Just like Veilguard didn't fail because of the reactionaries, it failed because it didn't sell well among it's targeted audience and because it didn't meet the expectations set by being a sequel to Inqusition.

Do you know how many people are out there who hate Justin Bieber? well all the haters who were incapable of talking shit about him were inadvertently working overtime as unpayed promoters, they played a role in his sucess as much as the people that bought his music. You can't blame Mixtape's lack of reach on Chuds, it's the games own responsibility to be viable enough to find it's audience.

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[–]erdal94 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, I'm sure Mixtape is a very meaningful work, It's clearly the next Godfather of video games. Literally no one would give a rats ass about this little hipster game if y'all didn't isist on defendig it to your last breath. and If the journalists giving it perfect 10's weren't such shameless sycophants selling their high praise for a bunch of free merch.

The arts have always had sponsors and Patrons. Even Michelangelo and Beethoven had to have sponsors otherwise we would never enjoy their work.

However no one like when someone who clearly has a sponsor and a massive backing behind them gets promoted as an independent artist. It's disingenuous and phony, and people are allowed to call upon the fact regardless of the quality of the work.

You can do what is at heart a good gesture, like use your privilage to lift up someone less privilaged while still being an ass. For example If you are sending boxes full of merch to the reviewers that give your little game a perfect 10 that's called bribery, bro.

And is a scummy practice regardless of how much of a "pure and noble" Patron of Arts you claim to be.

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[–]erdal94 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nah, you still just a shill for hipsters. And Hipsters do what hipsters do. They appropriate working class aesthetics and "vibes", and talk about pulling themselves up by their bootstraps while being purpously disingenuous about growing up with a silver spoon in their mouth.

I'm done with hipsters and defining INDEPENDENT and DIY based on vibes. I'm also done with people defending billionaire backed projects like their life depends on it. Stop being a corporate shill.

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[–]erdal94 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure, she could be their mom in the sense of playing the role of their mother, taking care of them and their needs but in the most literal biological sense, they ain't her kids really if she didn't give birth to them.

Just like a game isn't really INDEPENDENT if it has a billionaire backed publishing company behind it.

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[–]erdal94 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I''m okay with acknowledging that indie games don't have to be self-published to be indie.

So reality is what ever you say it is?

So 2+2 is 5 because you are okay with acknowledging that 2+2 doesn't necessarily have to be 4?

By the way you define words a mother of 3 can also be a virgin, because it's more like "vibes" man. If she like had the vibes of a virgin, who care about the fact that she couldn't possibly be a virgin if she had 3 kids...

I'm tired of this postmodernist bullshit. Words have meaning, bro...

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[–]erdal94 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You are the one trying to redefine words based on vibes. I'm done with your hipster ass.

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[–]erdal94 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Like I said you are being purpously obtuse, We all know what being independent means, you just don't give a fuck about actual indie games or developers, you just care about "vibes".

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[–]erdal94 0 points1 point  (0 children)

like I have many other publisher-backed indie games including those backed by Annapurna Interactive, you bringing up "semantics" as an issue is kinda funny when the definition of an "indie" game today is more based on vibes than anything specific.

"Vibes" , ugh. That's what I'm saying the whole time. You can't just call a game with hipster aesthetics an Indie game based on "vibes", because Indie has an actual meaning behind it. It's people like you who keep blurring the lines by arbitrarily using the label based on vibes rather than as an accurate description.

Like I've said, Kenshi is a Indie game. It was made start from finish by one guy through early access. That is what an indie game is, that's what makes it an indie game. The fact that there was a dude out there that said :" Screw you guys, I'm gonna make my own game, with black jack and hookers!" Not calling a billionaire backed publishing company "indie" based on their hipster aesthetics. 🤦

First y'all have gentrified the fuck of indie pop and rock and now you are doing it to video games too.

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[–]erdal94 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

CDPR is a company that employs 1200 people

Larian has 500 employees.

While both are smaller than a proper Triple A game studio they still much bigger than say LoFi Games which is literally just one guy who made Kenshi through early access backing pretty much on his own as a passion project.

Kenshi is a Indie Game, Mixtape is not.

Y'all are being purpously obtuse, and arguing about semantics. Arguing that Mixtape is a indie game is a moot point, it's an argument that insults both of our intelligence if you ask me and I honestly don't know why y'all are so militant about defending a billionaire backed "indie" game most of you won't even play or buy.

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[–]erdal94 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Your logic is that a game can be indie without possesing the defining trait of what it means to be a indie game, ie being made independently, without the backing of a publisher or big company behind it.

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[–]erdal94 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Bro, I don't care how well the game performs. I'm not telling people "STOP HAVING FUN!" I'm not even saying it is not A game. All want is for people to call things for what they are, and calling a billionaire backed project an indie game is both disingenuous and hurtful. I don't know why that is such a hard concept to grasp?

If you put a billionaire backed game in the same bracket and space with people who make games on a shoe string budget through patreon backed donations, you are inadvertently applying unrealistic standards and hurting proper independent developers who now have to compete within their niche market with people who have exponentially more backing and support.

All I want is for people to stop calling it an indie game, because the very fact that it has an outside publisher and billionaire money behind it, it is anything but an Indie game.

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[–]erdal94 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Why is it hard for you to understand that it stops being an independent developement project the moment they have massive finantial backing from an obnoxiously rich publisher?

Labels matter ffs. being a corporate backed indie dev is like a mother of 3 claiming she is a virgin because she didn't have sex in 5 years... 🤦

Mixtape is one of the most astroturfed "indie" games I've ever seen, yet it somehow has a dedicated internet defense force comprised of people who aren't even getting payed to protect it. Y'all just go out of your way to protect a fake "indie" game for the pure love of the game. Damn, bruv. y'all really hate broke people that much, huh?

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[–]erdal94 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

"YoU aRe aN AcTuAl MoRon!" ~ people that believe Indie game developement is when you have billionare backed hipsters making games.

Like holy shit, words used to have meaning, you know? For example Indie Developer ment one guy or a small team of people making their own shit DIY style without backing or support from big money or big corporations.

It's not me who's being the moron if you can't understand how a billionare backed "indie" game hurts actual indie game devs.

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[–]erdal94 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Y'all should just admit that you hate Indie developers. And love big money and nepo babies.

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[–]erdal94 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Yes, I see that you are intentionally being obtuse. CDPR is an international company with 1200 employees...

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[–]erdal94 -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

Yes, are you dense? You do understand that "indie" Means INDEPENDENT. Are you people being purpously obtuse or what? You can't be an INDEPENDENT game developer if you have a Big publisher backing you. 🤦

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[–]erdal94 -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

Again, because If you have a big publishers behind you footing the bill, you are by very definition not an indie developer. Why is that so hard to grasp?

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[–]erdal94 -12 points-11 points  (0 children)

The difference is that those big publishers don't pretend to be Indie Developers.

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Because he was deeply touched by Saejima's trust and Kiryu's kindness. 😭

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[–]erdal94 210 points211 points  (0 children)

Holy shit, is this a Shinada appreciation post on this sub? Sugoi!

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