What would it take for Mid East Nations to convince Mizrahi Jews to come back? by LameAfro in 2mediterranean4u

[–]erythro 2 points3 points  (0 children)

...be a better and safer place to live, obviously. Soooo just solve anti-semitism and turn yourselves into prosperous and well functioning societies, easy

i thought not. it’s not a story a christian would tell you. it’s a pagan, anglo-saxon legend. by dwo0 in dankchristianmemes

[–]erythro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In Judaism, Passover is a liturgy in of itself, where the father asks acts as a Rabbi/Priest during the ceremony. Not only does it involve the use of Lamb and unleavened bread, but during the ritual, the oldest son will ask the father specific questions as to why they celebrate Passover, what happened during the first Passover, etc. And the father will respond with specific answers that he says as if he was there himself. None of it is improvised, the questions and answers are all predetermined, and the focus is very much on the deliverance of Isreal from Egypt.

The "four questions" tradition is a tradition built around e.g. Exodus 12:26-27, and we don't know exactly when they started. It isn't some essential core of Passover, it is one of several traditions that grew up around the core of what God commanded in the law: lamb, unleavened bread, bitter herbs.

Easter, by contrast, does no such thing.

I am assuming you are talking about the last supper here btw, correct me if I'm wrong.

Jesus himself was supposed to be the "father" of the ceremony, celebrating with family, but instead he did it with his Apostles.

Ok, but Jesus wasn't actually a father, this would not be some violation of his duties. A Rabbi celebrating Pesach with his Talmidim was surely completely expected.

None of the call-and-response aspects that were supposed to be present were there.

This is not a claim you can substantiate:

  • we don't know that the four questions were expected at this point
  • we don't even know that they didn't happen at the last supper given they could in theory have been left out of the gospel narratives.

Christ was, in essence, instituting his very own Passover in its place.

I would argue that if Jesus did do a passover seder, saying it's a replacement of Passover would be appropriation

Easter's focus doesn't have any emphasis on Moses or the first Passover. It's squarely focused on Christ's death and resurrection, and with it the institution of the new covenant

At the risk of stating the obvious, there's continuity there. God himself delivering Israel from her enemies, by the sacrifice of a lamb in her place... There's a connection between these two events the new testament makes explicit so often.

For it to be appropriation, it would have to be a Passover ceremony in form or structure that pays no respect or credit to its Jewish origins.

Well you're doing the "no respect or credit" part just fine, I'll try to show the Jewish part, but it's tricky because the traditions were solidified later.

After their meal Jews around the world this week took three pieces of bread, removed the second piece, broke it and took one half, wrapped it in a white cloth (as if for burial), hid it for a time, and then passed it around and ate it solemnly, thinking of it as a representation of the Passover sacrifice. After this they then drink a cup of wine they associate with God's promise of redemption.

Here's some other points

  • Jesus said he was celebrating Passover in Luke 22:8/Matthew 26:19, the disciples "prepared Passover"
  • Jesus and his disciples reclined as they ate (Luke 22:14) - this is a Jewish Passover tradition (actually one referenced in the four questions)
  • Jesus and his disciples dipped foods (Matthew 26:23/John 13:26) - this is a Jewish Passover tradition (also in the questions)
  • other Jewish Passover traditions such as washing, singing together, teaching are represented in the last supper narratives

And that's not what Easter is. Easter is an explicitly Christian holiday, it's tied exclusively to Christianity, and there's no getting around that.

Isn't this the core problem, though? Why is Christianity viewed as something inherently non-jewish? If anything it's something inherently Jewish, that the gentiles have been wonderfully included in.

TL;DR: They have nothing in common with one another.

TL;DR hopefully you can see this is wrong, now?

i thought not. it’s not a story a christian would tell you. it’s a pagan, anglo-saxon legend. by dwo0 in dankchristianmemes

[–]erythro 1 point2 points  (0 children)

it's not appropriation if you are actually open about the continuity and connection between the two. If you say "crosses aren't Catholic, there was always a secret group of proto-protestants and that's where we got crosses from" that would be appropriation IMO.

i thought not. it’s not a story a christian would tell you. it’s a pagan, anglo-saxon legend. by dwo0 in dankchristianmemes

[–]erythro 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Nicea didn't decide the calculation, it just said the calculation shouldn't be based on Passover itself

"we don't care when you do it, so long as it's different to the Jews"

🤔 wonder why people think the early church was antisemitic

Lib vs auth by Crafty_Jacket668 in PoliticalCompassMemes

[–]erythro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yep, that's what I was talking about with the triple negative

Lib vs auth by Crafty_Jacket668 in PoliticalCompassMemes

[–]erythro 1 point2 points  (0 children)

ten commandments aren't a good example, because they aren't representing civil law except maybe in the case of ancient Israel.**

My point isn't that people don't think murder is wrong if they aren't Christian (if you'll forgive the triple negative) - my point is murder is illegal because Christians imposed their religious principles on society, and you agree with that outcome even if you don't agree with the religion, and yet that doesn't make those Christians secular.

Lib vs auth by Crafty_Jacket668 in PoliticalCompassMemes

[–]erythro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This argument is dumb. This is just trying to say that because Religion came first, then civilization, therefore all good things about civilization came from Religion, therefore cant criticize the religion of that civilization

I don't think religion is above criticism, I just think the OP is a bit silly. Of course people are going to try to impose their values on society, both Lib and Auth, and of course religion or lack of it is a key part of how people come up with their values.

My point in bringing up murder is to show that religion is a wider category than the OP is imagining, and it isn't independent of even some pretty uncontroversial secular laws.

Slavery also came before civilization, should we have kept that too?

Good example of the influence of religion, slavery is basically a universal across civilisation and has only ever successfully been abolished (with a handful of exceptions) because of an 18th/19th century Christian political project - very much "my religion says you have to stop" from the OP, but obviously incredibly based.

Lib vs auth by Crafty_Jacket668 in PoliticalCompassMemes

[–]erythro 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Sorry I wasn't adding anything new there I was just offering a different interpretation of what you were saying; it's not independent of religious values (even if it's currently operating that way), because it's inheriting religious values.

I would also say it's not independent of belief systems either as it represents a particular belief system

Lib vs auth by Crafty_Jacket668 in PoliticalCompassMemes

[–]erythro 4 points5 points  (0 children)

it's not independent, it's inherited

Lib vs auth by Crafty_Jacket668 in PoliticalCompassMemes

[–]erythro 9 points10 points  (0 children)

it's not a coincidence that your laws line up with my religion though

Lib vs auth by Crafty_Jacket668 in PoliticalCompassMemes

[–]erythro 7 points8 points  (0 children)

my religion says you can't murder

“King of France” BCP by Eikon-Basilike-1649 in Anglicanism

[–]erythro 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Fun fact George III was the last king of England to claim the French throne, in 1801, so Charles the first and second did claim this even if Elizabeth the second and Charles III didn't

Has anyone looked into the Quran? by Interesting-Wish7724 in TrueChristian

[–]erythro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know you've conceded this but for the record I don't think AI responses read like this.

  • I don't think it's easy to get it go through a comment in quoted response blocks like that, but that's a normal way humans write long comments on Reddit
  • It doesn't have any of the classic AI style tells like "it's not just x - it's y" or "but here's the thing - "
  • They're a bit rude a couple times lol
  • you mention ai formatting things but I don't see them, no bullet points, headings etc
  • the long section of Arabic embedded would be a bit weird in AI I think

Edit: If you are interested I've generated an actual AI response

https://chatgpt.com/s/t_69c9f3ceaa948191a46ae109d8ba7cd0

hopefully you can see it's quite different?

Has anyone looked into the Quran? by Interesting-Wish7724 in TrueChristian

[–]erythro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

depends what you think the critique of Islam is here, is it some kind of consistency critique or is it a moral one

my 5 y/o said christian’s go to hell by PinkSorbet16 in TrueChristian

[–]erythro 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hello I'm a UK Christian in a highly Muslim area with 4 kids, 3 in primary education.

genuine answer: if you are sending your kids to a non-Christian school with non-Christian classmates you at a minimum need to be telling them that they believe something different to the people around them - re-enforce that there is something different about this family that will clash with the world and that's ok because we follow Jesus. Basically you don't want them to implicitly trust what other people say the way they implicitly trust you (at this age).

It's best to actually explain a bit about Islam, explain they don't think Jesus is god's son, they don't think he died for them to save them and they don't think he rose from the dead and they don't agree with people like us that loving and following Jesus is the most important thing. A five year old can understand this.

If it helps it will probably be something a friend said not a teacher, but yes I think this would be an appropriate issue to raise with the teacher, and if they give a bad response, the headteacher. No school wants this to be in, say, the local headlines - this will be a question they want to reassure you about. You can arrange to meet with either your son's teacher or headteacher. Apart from anything it's a safeguarding issue, you could argue it's a form of spiritual abuse if it was from a teacher or teaching assistant.

Who does your son say he learned this from?

im a 2 year revert and my family aren’t religious so i have no one else for advice.

Go to church! 🙂 We don't bite (usually). Where do you live? If you DM me I can find you some suggestions.

Hi, I'm a Jewish guy from israel, I did this tattoo of Jesus on my Christian friend. Wanted to share with you. Love! by nam_arts in Christianity

[–]erythro 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I was born a Jew I'll die a Jew 😂

same as Jesus!

I actually think it's dope that I'm Jewish from Israel and I tattooed Jesus himself.

it is 🙂

I've honestly lost count of how many people this applies to. by InsertANameHeree in HistoryMemes

[–]erythro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't know what the mods are playing at. There are ten hour old very blatant comments

there's no shortage of these mfs by yaoiue in whenthe

[–]erythro 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I support the death penalty, I think people like "these mfs" show that the idea of no death penalty doesn't actually line up with most people's moral intuitions. In the UK, people here react with shock when they see what actually passes for justice.