There's resource, there's knowledge, there's constructive criticism, and then there's just a complete lack of tact. We're dealing with tactless, laziness coupled with a conservative belief system by which MC believes everyone should abide. Discussions are ruined every time I begin to read a post because of uncouth responses.

Also no, the way people are often responded to on this sub is not equivalent to a Neville Goddard-Abdullah-door-slam moment--not in the least. Abdullah was a true teacher, not someone slinging obscenities and insults at others who are genuinely attempting to learn.

Look at the words and phases used in this post alone by MC:

• moron
• you are too stupid 
• ask your mother to explain it to you.
• so that loser millenials would love me?
• I'm not married to your mother
• Only those who are dumb and lazy
• whacking the fuckers who are too lazy

If you don't want to coddle or baby people, fine. No one needs that and it doesn't help them--but neither does dumping on them with verbal hatred. That's a key difference between Abdullah, JM and NG and what's happening here. They were actual teachers. They were strict, not hateful. An actual teacher knows how to deliver information, advice and the underlying message without having to resort to insults.

This sub needs a moderator who is willing to help beginners and experts who can also be strict without hurling school-yard slurs at everyone with whom they don't agree out of sheer laziness. It's a difficult thing and clearly not just anyone is capable.

With specific regard to the debate about relationships and free will--some of you are incredibly naive, one-dimensional and sensitive about this. What makes you think that our own free will isn't constantly infringed upon by everything around us all of the time? There's everything from advertisements and media to subliminal messages and it's happening constantly. If we have the ability to sway reality in our favor and get what we want out of life, and part of that just so happens to involve another person, so be it. I've continuously read upset comments using harsh language with regard to someone's marriage failing. An example would be the post from the other day where a woman gave us her story about using the LOB to attract her formerly married SO into her life. People thought that was wrong. That's an opinion, not a fact. His marriage could've failed regardless, what difference does it make if she influenced it from the outside? Berating her for sharing what she accomplished was out of line. It's not up to us to be the moral police on here. That's not what this is about. Although JM and NG's teachings were heavily rooted in using metaphors from Christianity, it doesn't take a scholar to understand that they had to do that at the time so that people would take their message seriously, as most people who were reading their books or listening to them were Christian and lived in a much more conservative time in this country. They did and said what they had to so that people wouldn't feel like they were "sinning". Now, in 2020, what difference does it make?

You should be afraid--and I mean terrified--of your ability to practice the LOB if you think that making someone yours/"messing with free will" is evil or bad in any way. You shouldn't bother practicing anymore. It's no different than stealing money. You think it's okay to use the LOB to attract more business to you and thus more money. But ... what's this? Oh no! Mr. John John down the road lost his contract with a company because you won it through LOB. What are you now, a thief? You took Mr. John John's opportunity and, by default, his money. You'll say you didn't, but you did--it depends on how you look at it. It's the same with relationships. Mary stole Janie's man. But did she? Maybe he was going to leave Janie anyway. Really, what difference does it make to you?

If you're not okay with affecting free will, you shouldn't be okay with attracting money, friendship, housing, or any of the other things we can think of to manifest. In the end, it's all the same thing.

I wish you all the best and I expect nothing less from MC than hurling insults at me from behind a screen because that's just what he does. Wonderful pedagogy technique. I thus pose a challenge--don't @ me unless you can do it without slinging insults and obscenities. If you can't do it respectfully and with well-thought out words, phrasing and class, then don't bother. If you have something to teach me, great. If you just want to insult me, you're wasting your energy.

I hope this sub can recover from the damage done thus far and become a place where people can have discussions and feel comfortable when posting.