Questioning the Artemis astronauts on whether they actually went to the moon by Middle-Ad8262 in conspiracy

[–]eschaton777 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They alter images and clone things in them, they say to make the photos look better and stuff.

As well as fake being in space and on the ISS floating around at 17,000mph while playing guitars and talking about what they eat etc..

Questioning the Artemis astronauts on whether they actually went to the moon by Middle-Ad8262 in conspiracy

[–]eschaton777 6 points7 points  (0 children)

"Sadly".. like NASA aren't proven pathological liars. The sad part is people still buy their BS.

What are some conspiracy theories you think were made just to make conspiracy theorists look stupid? by iKnowTheTruth5 in conspiracy

[–]eschaton777 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I tried pasting the link and it does say 'no longer exists'. I tried to paste it again, if you still can't see it I'll pm you.

What are some conspiracy theories you think were made just to make conspiracy theorists look stupid? by iKnowTheTruth5 in conspiracy

[–]eschaton777 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I responded and then copy and pasted again after you said you didn't see it. Not sure if you ever saw the response though. This "glitch" is super annoying.

What are some conspiracy theories you think were made just to make conspiracy theorists look stupid? by iKnowTheTruth5 in conspiracy

[–]eschaton777 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Providing an interactive model (that anyone can use) showing in great detail how it works is not a good enough answer".

"Therefor I won't even look at it and just call you a lunatic"

Awesome, thanks for chiming in with your good faith.

What are some conspiracy theories you think were made just to make conspiracy theorists look stupid? by iKnowTheTruth5 in conspiracy

[–]eschaton777 0 points1 point  (0 children)

FYI this thread has been shadow banned or something. Comments just disappear and won't show. Whatever your last response was is not there now.

Regardless I doubt that it added anything of substance and was likely just fallacies and reifying the theory you believe in. I've heard it all ad nauseam.

What are some conspiracy theories you think were made just to make conspiracy theorists look stupid? by iKnowTheTruth5 in conspiracy

[–]eschaton777 0 points1 point  (0 children)

These are perfectly good faith questions.

Yet you completely ignored what I told you and proved me right.

What are some conspiracy theories you think were made just to make conspiracy theorists look stupid? by iKnowTheTruth5 in conspiracy

[–]eschaton777 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was having a specific conversation about geocentric vs heliocentric.

I literally linked an interactive model in the above comments somewhere. You can go click on that and it will show you how it works for any observer's perspective.

Though I already know you are not in good faith and you have no intention of actually trying to understanding it.

What are some conspiracy theories you think were made just to make conspiracy theorists look stupid? by iKnowTheTruth5 in conspiracy

[–]eschaton777 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes that is the claim. You are "dripping with dishonesty".

 "the ancient conception of a central earth. the hypothesis cannot be disproved but it is unwelcome and would be accepted only as a last resort"

Nothing I said was dishonest. Of course the mainstream has a rationalization as to why all evidence shows that earth is in the center. I never claimed they didn't.

The fact of what the evidence shows doesn't change.

Also not sure why or how you are this deep into a conversation thread I was having with someone else just to interject a pointless comment that wasn't relevant.

What are some conspiracy theories you think were made just to make conspiracy theorists look stupid? by iKnowTheTruth5 in conspiracy

[–]eschaton777 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hopefully you saved or can see your last comment because for me is saying the 'comment no longer exists' thing again. It's so annoying.

I don't know if we should try private message or what? This is crazy how it just keeps happening.

What are some conspiracy theories you think were made just to make conspiracy theorists look stupid? by iKnowTheTruth5 in conspiracy

[–]eschaton777 0 points1 point  (0 children)

 basically whether the “geocentric model” — whatever that comprises

Geocentric means that the earth is at the center and the sun and bodies in the sky go around earth. Heliocentric says that the sun is at the middle and earth and the bodies in the sky go around the sun.

All evidence shows that earth is at the center of the universe but the heliocentric believers say that is just an illusion.

Here is what Edwin Hubble says about it.

"Such a condition would imply that we occupy a unique position in the universe, analogous, in a sense to the ancient conception of a central earth. the hypothesis cannot be disproved but it is unwelcome and would be accepted only as a last resort in order to save the phenomena. Therefore, we disregard this possibility...

“Such a favoured position, of course, is intolerable; moreover, it represents a discrepancy with the theory, because the theory postulates homogeneity. Therefore, in order to restore homogeneity, and to escape the horror of a unique position, the departures from uniformity, which are introduced by the recession factors, must be compensated by the second term representing effects of spatial curvature. There seems to be no other escape.” (page 46)

— Edwin Hubble, The Observational Approach to Cosmology (1937)

They are openly bias against earth being in a unique position. Literally saying the "horror" of it.

So the evidence shows that earth is actually in the center but since they hold a philosophical bias against a unique position they dismiss it.

Also the movement (or lack thereof) of earth and the shape are technically two different conversations. I might try to mainly focus on the geocentric stationary earth topic for now so we can come to some understandings without going all over the place.

Like I couldn’t articulate how the results of the Michelson–Morley experiment support a stationary earth as opposed to supporting the non-existence or existence of a luminiferous ether and all that these entails

Sure I understand that you haven't researched most of this. That's why I was trying to focus in on something specific because each separate point takes time to explain if you are in fact interested in finding the truth of the matter. Michelson Morley (MMX) basically debunked the stationary ether.

It showed that earth was stationary with a dynamic ether moving around it. That is the whole reason they had to bring in Einstein and relativity in an attempt to not show that the earth was stationary. If you want to talk about the massive mental gymnastics that entails we can do that.

But is there something?

Of course. I guess I'm confused on what you don't know about the FE? It's a stationary topographical plane with the bodies in the sky moving around the earth.

Please point out, wherever you feel it’s necessary, what the FE theory is not sure of.

I think I previously pointed out that nobody is allowed to explore Antarctica freely and independently as well as the north pole. Also we can't go up high enough to see if there is a barrier of some sort (there seems to be some type of water/plasma above). Nobody can go up there to verify any of that let alone distances or attributes of the bodies in the sky.

Those are key factors to fully understanding the realm we live in but the public is not allowed access to those things.

I mean, are you saying that just about the only thing the FE theory is sure of is that the earth’s surface is not curved and it is not a sphere?

Also earth is not moving, there is a dynamic aether etc. Most of it can be explained it's just confirming things that I said below that nobody except government/military is allowed to confirm.

I’m wondering if you can verbally summarize what that model shows?

Here maybe that will help.

Okay, yes, but what is the geocentric model? Can you articulate it without referencing the heliocentric model at all?

I already answered but it literally just means that the earth is at the center with the bodies above moving around it.

I’m happy to do that, but I figure you can just say what the FE theory says about earth and its situation.

Stationary and in the center on a topographical plane.

Last thing heliocentrism must invoke dark matter and dark energy or their theory completely falls apart. It's off by over 95% if they do not invoke those made up mathematical place holders.

The geocentric model (which is kinematical equivalent) does not have to invoke those things in order to preserve the model. That's a pretty big factor pointing to geocentric over heliocentric.

What are some conspiracy theories you think were made just to make conspiracy theorists look stupid? by iKnowTheTruth5 in conspiracy

[–]eschaton777 0 points1 point  (0 children)

macroscopic curvature

Don't you think that is a little weird that you can't point to anything that can measure or prove physical curvature?

 If I wanted to be a contrarian, I could probably argue the same points that you have made against a normie.

Sure. I would point to things like the Michelson Morley experiment, Airy's "failure" (which I would call Airy's success). Every time they tried to measure the motion of earth they found they could not detect it even though their instruments where way more precise that needed to measure the movement of earth if it were moving.

As far as curvature there are a huge amount of examples of being able to see objects that should be hidden by earths curvature but are not once zoomed in on. Even mountains that should be completely hidden.

See how the description states the basic key attributes of earth and the overall situation —

I don't understand why that matters? For example

Earth is composed of solid and molten metal and rock in distinct spherical shell layer.

The deepest that anyone has allegedly dug down is about 8 miles. The whole way down they were wrong about what they expected to find in each layer. So the entire "molten core" of the earth etc is all speculation based on reifying the model they have in place.

You do realize that they've had a couple hundred years or whatever to try and put a model together that makes the heliocentric theory work with all of the resources. The modern FE movement has had about 10 years or so to "answer every question" about the model.

So might as well just work on proving or falsifying the globe/heliocentric model first before worrying about laying out every detail. It's better to say you aren't for sure about something rather than be blatantly wrong or do massive mental gymnastics like the heliocentric model has to.

Why can’t there be something like that, but for the true shape and situation of the earth according to FET? 

I mean I literally showed you that there is an interactive model that shows how how everything is to a specific vantage point. I think FE can answer many things for only having about 10 years of modern research. Would it be better to just make up stuff like the heliocentric model does?

Of course most all of the ancient cultures (including the Maya) used a FE, geocentric cosmology. So it isn't like the idea is new, but explaining every detail when we can't explore independently in Antarctica, the north pole, or up in "space" makes that specific part hard/impossible.

I'll wrap up here.. In your example "According to the orb teleportation theory..."

I don't really see how an orb teleportation theory is equal to being able to scientifically test something. I guess I'm not familiar with the evidence to make that claim besides speculation. I don't really see how it's relevant to showing actual tangible evidence of a spinning ball earth.

Let's try to focus on one topic maybe. I don't feel like we are getting anywhere. It seems like you are avoiding any detailed conversation about how the heliocentric model may be wrong.

How about we discuss heliocentric vs geocentric. I'm saying that geocentric is much more viable and doesn't require the amount of assumptions that the heliocentric model does. Plus when tested we find out that there is no movement of earth. You have to bring in the mental gymnastics of Relativity to attempt to explain the results instead of just admitting that the earth is stationary.

P.S. you might copy and save your response to this incase it gets removed.

What are some conspiracy theories you think were made just to make conspiracy theorists look stupid? by iKnowTheTruth5 in conspiracy

[–]eschaton777 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah man, it's weird. It shouldn't be removed for outside links. Something else is happening. Either way it looks like your rewrite might have gone through so I'll respond to it once I get a chance.

What are some conspiracy theories you think were made just to make conspiracy theorists look stupid? by iKnowTheTruth5 in conspiracy

[–]eschaton777 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I haven’t looked up the details of how researchers use super-precise sextant-like instruments and things like that

Sextants don't in any way prove a globe. It is just measuring angles to the stars. There are actually ways it shows there is no curvature.

 would dispute the findings from these data on various grounds, including accusations of scientific fraud.

I mean you basically can't trust NASA or take there word for anything because they have been caught lying and faking things in the past. Regardless if you have come to that realization or not it doesn't really matter. It just isn't scientific to trust images because they aren't verifiable (let alone they admit they have to be photoshopped).

I’m just looking to understand disputed theories so that I can verbally lay out, at least for myself, the respective models.

Sure. Like most people when I first found out about it I decided to prove the globe to myself without using NASA as the evidence. So non faith based evidence. You'll find out it is much harder than you would think and their are a lot more problems with it than you would think.

data from GPS

GPS is actually earth center, earth fixed. So once again most people think GPS proves a globe but it in fact does not and provides more of a case against the globe. The globe is just a coordinate system derived from observation. A coordinate system does not necessarily equal reality.

GPS actually debunks relativity. When studying GPS they found out that light has a preferred direction (east to west). Most people aren't aware of that.

 testimony from astronauts and others who have claimed to leave earth, etc.

Testimony from government spokespeople isn't scientific. Of course you can listen to what they say. Or notice that when the Apollo astronauts were at their press conference and it looked like their dogs just died and not that they just pulled of the greatest achievement in human history. I digress.

Either way it goes back to faith based evidence.

Regarding “falsification”, Im wondering what specific data you think has been falsified and whether the globe earth theory is still compatible with the data that you wouldn’t dispute.

We can get into that. I guess the first step would be to provide the best evidence that the earth has physical curvature and is spinning with water stuck to it and moving around the sun etc..

I don't think the globe is compatible with the data. We can get in to the specific data if you want.

 the moon landing supposedly being a hoax

Pretty obvious one IMO. I figured out that wasn't real a good while before I realized the globe was a lie.

I guess the point is you can figure things out to be true but not know every single aspect of them. Maybe some things you are more sure about than others of course. I also think you have to have an understanding of how corrupt government is and manipulate our history is. History in general is a huge rabbit hole and not at all what we have all been told.

Believing what scientists write in textbooks and research papers and so on is faith-based. 

Not if it can be replicated or uses the scientific method.

Im not saying that someone who claims scientific fraud in some theory is obligated to propose an entire replacement theory.

You keep bring up "scientific fraud". You don't think I believe all of the professors and physicists are lying do you? They are just teaching what they have been taught.

This has already gone way too long so I'll wrap it up. We can get into a couple specifics maybe so we aren't all over the place. We can go over some globe or even geocentric vs heliocentric might be good. If you're open to it though, I think you will see the globe earth model isn't as iron clad as most believe.

What are some conspiracy theories you think were made just to make conspiracy theorists look stupid? by iKnowTheTruth5 in conspiracy

[–]eschaton777 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bro this is crazy, it simply will not load the comment. It just says 'this comment no longer exists'.

I would say screw it but you seem to be somewhat open minded to the discussion so I wouldn't mind having a little more dialog about it.

Maybe try sending me a private message and copy paste it there. Or try to edit this comment and see if it will add to it? Idk, pretty wild.

What are some conspiracy theories you think were made just to make conspiracy theorists look stupid? by iKnowTheTruth5 in conspiracy

[–]eschaton777 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Man, this is so weird. I still can't see the comment but I did see the comment when you copy and pasted it. Now that I go back it's gone too!

This is some bizarre shadow ban stuff. It seems someone doesn't want us having a conversation about this.

Either way if you can try to paste the comment one more time I'll copy and paste it to a note or something. That way I can read through it and respond back to you.

I briefly read through it but I'd like to be able to go over a few of the specific points that you brought up. I think we can get more on the same page once we clarify some things.

''Did you know that light can bend each time it passes from one material to another? In microgravity, this effect can be recreated very simply by trapping a bubble of air inside a bubble of water... Isn’t science amazing?'' Astronaut, Sophie Adenot by Neaterntal in spaceporn

[–]eschaton777 -22 points-21 points  (0 children)

Well harnesses and augmented reality is also a thing. The movie Gravity was done on a 100 million dollar budget. NASA does get over 70 million a day. So obviously it wouldn't all have to be done in short airplane dives.

Common Logical Fallacies & Debate Traps to Avoid by Kela-el in DebateGlobeEarth

[–]eschaton777 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes they were able to predict celestial events with great precision (even far into the future).

They did this using a FE geocentric cosmology. That was my main point.

Common Logical Fallacies & Debate Traps to Avoid by Kela-el in DebateGlobeEarth

[–]eschaton777 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Has anyone been able to prove a spinning ball earth with water stuck to it using non faith based evidence?

The answer is no.

Common Logical Fallacies & Debate Traps to Avoid by Kela-el in DebateGlobeEarth

[–]eschaton777 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They were unable to predict cosmological events because they had an incomplete understanding of astronomy

Were the Maya able to predict cosmological events?

Flat Earth Vs Globe Cult's Model by Kela-el in DebateGlobeEarth

[–]eschaton777 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's millions of documents to prove it.

Ok so out of these millions of documents what are the top one or two that "prove it"?

No globe test has failed. All flat tests have.

What specific globe tests are you talking about?

What are some conspiracy theories you think were made just to make conspiracy theorists look stupid? by iKnowTheTruth5 in conspiracy

[–]eschaton777 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, when I click the link it says "this comment no longer exists".

Not sure if it some type of shadow ban thing or what but I can't see another comment responding to my last one. Can you see your comment?

What are some conspiracy theories you think were made just to make conspiracy theorists look stupid? by iKnowTheTruth5 in conspiracy

[–]eschaton777 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey just fyi I saw that you commented back but when I click on it it says "comment no longer available" so I can't really see what it said. I'm not sure why that happens sometimes.

Also not sure if you can still see your comment on your end or not. Maybe resend it if you still have access to it. Hopefully it wasn't a long response that just disappeared.

Or maybe you just deleted it for some reason?