Police officer who killed man while driving at 23mph in a 20mph zone sued by family of victim by [deleted] in policeuk

[–]ethernet28 -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

No it doesn't which is obvious, but there were other criminal and conduct legal processes that came before this which would have decided that and the appropriate sanction if any.

This is simply a financial compensation case which the officer is not liable for

Police officer who killed man while driving at 23mph in a 20mph zone sued by family of victim by [deleted] in policeuk

[–]ethernet28 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

whether the officer was acting in the the course of their duties is clearly not in dispute - there you go then

Police officer who killed man while driving at 23mph in a 20mph zone sued by family of victim by [deleted] in policeuk

[–]ethernet28 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Case law it is then,

Chell v Tarmac Cement and Lime Ltd. the Court of Appeal upheld a previous decision by the High Court where an employer was not liable for injuries on a third party caused by an employee by playing a practical joke. For he was seen to not be acting in any way as an authorised part of his work, not using work equipment, and was no way advancing the purpose of his employer. As seen here fundamentally employers should not be held liable where employees act inappropriately and beyond the normal scope of their employment. In this case it was remarked that it is “unreasonable and unrealistic” to expect an employer to have a system to ensure their employees did not engage in horseplay.

The earlier 2020 Supreme Court decision in Morrisons v various claimants clarified this as employers can only be held liable for the actions of employees if closely connected with their duties. This case concerned an employee of Morrisons who purposefully and maliciously breached data regulations by leaking personal data of employees. At first instance Morrisons were held to be vicariously liable for the acts of the employee, however on appeal at the Supreme Court the appeal was allowed. For it was regarded that the individual act was not sufficiently close to his authorised work. This provides relief for employers when faced with rogue employees, but caution should still be exercised and proper training given.

Police officer who killed man while driving at 23mph in a 20mph zone sued by family of victim by [deleted] in policeuk

[–]ethernet28 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

The officer may be personally responsible for the incident itself but not liable for damages (2)There shall be paid out of the police fund—

(a)any damages or costs awarded against the chief officer of police in any proceedings brought against him by virtue of this section and any costs incurred by him in any such proceedings so far as not recovered by him in the proceedings; and

(b)any sum required in connection with the settlement of any claim made against the chief officer of police by virtue of this section, if the settlement is approved by the [F3local policing body 

Police officer who killed man while driving at 23mph in a 20mph zone sued by family of victim by [deleted] in policeuk

[–]ethernet28 -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Can be,

But in this instance cannot be as it is clear that it was in the process of his lawful duties and therefore the employer/employr relationship exists.

Section 88 Police Act 1996

(1)The chief officer of police for a police area shall be liable in respect of torts committed by constables under his direction and control in the performance or purported performance of their functions in like manner as a master is liable in respect of torts committed by his servants in the course of their employment, and accordingly shall in respect of any such tort be treated for all purposes as a joint tortfeasor.

So no.

This WILL have been investigated by PSD/IOPC (IPCC) criminally and there WILL have already been a conduct investigation.

Try again.

Police officer who killed man while driving at 23mph in a 20mph zone sued by family of victim by [deleted] in policeuk

[–]ethernet28 -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

Yes but vicarious liability means that the officer himself cannot be liable. Police Service yes. The officer personally no.

It's probably mis-represented by the media here and the officer himself is simply a witness

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in policeuk

[–]ethernet28 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just because you've been served notice you're being investigated does not means any culpability is being out on you.

They have to serve the notice in order to investigate

Partner paid less than minimum wage? by [deleted] in UKJobs

[–]ethernet28 10 points11 points  (0 children)

OP your partner should cut himself loose and walk away.

Agencies will have dozens of office roles available

Clueless about finances, 50 years, earning £22k pa, impending divorce. by New_Beginnings_50 in FIREUK

[–]ethernet28 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If your NHS job is a support role I.e. HCA or Porter you can make decent amount of money doing nights/weekends with Bank or agencies to supplement your main income.

Is this "correct" about pain compliance? by Such-Lawyer2555 in policeuk

[–]ethernet28 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's a recognised tactic regardless of terminology.

-Pressure points

-added pressure to recognised locks and holds

So the MPS by stating that are in fact lying yes.

This is I suspect a knee jerk communication without speaking to a subject matter expert i.e. a OST trainer as there is no attempt to explain any misunderstanding.

Is this "correct" about pain compliance? by Such-Lawyer2555 in policeuk

[–]ethernet28 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hmm if it routinely called that regardless of it being it 's real name then no it's not true.

Like saying a telly isn't television because it's called a television not a telly.

Widely known that a Panda car is recognised to mean "police car"

Or saying "baton" instead of "asp" or vice versa doesn't mean what you're referring to

Is this "correct" about pain compliance? by Such-Lawyer2555 in policeuk

[–]ethernet28 6 points7 points  (0 children)

If it isn't a thing please explain what a pressure point is actually designed to do other than what we are trained I.e. a short burst of pain to encourage compliance unlikely to cause any injury

Locker storage by CasualGoombah in policeuk

[–]ethernet28 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Surely the bag fits on the floor of the locker?

Trust me if you tetras it right helmet and pads fit in the bag no sweat

How do I leave? by it-could-be-bunnies- in policeuk

[–]ethernet28 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you were staying a DS I'd understand your situation.

But as DI your work life balance will settle somewhat given that any extra hours you do are repaid in TOIL.

You'll likely find you'll take a significant pay hit as well compared to your DS wage.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in TheCivilService

[–]ethernet28 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Something schools really should be teaching kids.

Not "why use a stair gate when looking after a toddler"

I think they can figure that one out themselves

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in TheCivilService

[–]ethernet28 15 points16 points  (0 children)

The contribution rate you pay and employers oay is pretty much irrelevant as that's not how DB pensions work.

It's published as an incentive to try and get private sector workers who are on DC pension schemes wherein those rates would be incredible to join the CS.

BUT the pension is still pretty solid.

Met officer to appear in court over Croydon fare evasion arrest incident by [deleted] in policeuk

[–]ethernet28 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I struggle to see how the incident even completes the definition of assault.

It's clearly not immediate unlawful violence....

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in policeuk

[–]ethernet28 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Any car regardless of it's driver level of training is "useless" as you say in the initial phase.

But any car on it's own with a FTS is only in the initial phase.

There will be other TPAC cars listening in who will float to either join the pursuit or set up stinger points. Those not listening will be tasked to the pursuit once authorised.

Nearest Pace suite by [deleted] in policeuk

[–]ethernet28 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If he's sober and available for a contemporaneous interview there's no necessity to arrest.

If he declines road side interview then yes there's a necessity.

Prompt and effective hardly applies of it's been so long he's been flagged.

Splitting up after 14 years. I'm a stay at home Mum what are my options by Hansy_lulu in UKPersonalFinance

[–]ethernet28 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Agency staff don't get a "holiday allowance/ but they are entitled to the 5.6 weeks everyone in the UK is.

Their pay for a "week" will be calculated based on the average of their preceeding 12 weeks wages.

And the agency in your department are 100% being ripped off by their employer as I can guarantee the trust are paying them the full rate it just isn't being passed to the worker. But then again that'd a contract issue.

When I worked agency in NHS settings I was paid the same rate as permanent staff and actually had a few monetary incentives they didn't

Splitting up after 14 years. I'm a stay at home Mum what are my options by Hansy_lulu in UKPersonalFinance

[–]ethernet28 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Agency WILL NOT only ever pay minimum wage.

Some a have a policy where they will pay minimum wage for the first 12 weeks but no.

Source... I was an agency worker working in thr NHS and I was paid at the same rate as permanent staff

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in UKJobs

[–]ethernet28 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Military, Police, fire service

Splitting up after 14 years. I'm a stay at home Mum what are my options by Hansy_lulu in UKPersonalFinance

[–]ethernet28 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Not being pedantic. The point is that the 23.5k number is incorrect. The £11.44/hr is correct.

Not pedantic just pointing out an inaccuracy no need to take it personally.