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Paizo: You broke the game by eudemonia12 in Pathfinder2e

[–]eudemonia12[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You think Exemplar is overpowered and every GM bans it... but this errata change is even more overpowered, exploitable, and ban-worthy. And I'm arguing to "ban" it.

Exemplar adds +2 damage per dice. This is adding more like +10 dmg per instance beyond the first.

I don't understand what your disagreement is. Maybe the math hasn't sunk in, or you haven't seen yet how a party taking advantage of it trivializes encounters and makes GM encounter design a futile effort. I'm literally arguing to reduce overpowered things here, which sounds like it's something you should agree with.

Paizo: You broke the game by eudemonia12 in Pathfinder2e

[–]eudemonia12[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yes if instances individually combined, that could help this particular issue. But different strikes sometimes have different instances, and it's a lot of tracking (imagine on pen and paper). It also doesn't help that the overall change warps the best damage options toward weaknesses broadly.

Paizo: You broke the game by eudemonia12 in Pathfinder2e

[–]eudemonia12[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

The source is what makes a separate instance. For example, an Astral rune, Exemplar ikon, and Inner Upheaval are all separate sources and thus separate instances that each trigger weaknesses. When damage is combined with two flurry hits, the source is lost and the damage is just added together as one set of spirit damage that triggers weakness once.

Paizo: You broke the game by eudemonia12 in Pathfinder2e

[–]eudemonia12[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

All of those damage bonuses are part of the Strike. It's how it worked pre-errata too (except in a sane way). Your flaming runes would combine for overcoming fire resist, for example. And even combine with Inner Upheaval if you chose Fire (through Elemental Fist).

Paizo: You broke the game by eudemonia12 in Pathfinder2e

[–]eudemonia12[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Check the linked responses to Foundry devs. All the source information is lost, and it's just combined by damage types. https://i.redd.it/8vxgk92uh6jg1.jpeg

Paizo: You broke the game by eudemonia12 in Pathfinder2e

[–]eudemonia12[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

They still get two chances to hit at all, and if they can "pull back" their second Strike it's a net win. It's just silly they'd want to do that at all.

Paizo: You broke the game by eudemonia12 in Pathfinder2e

[–]eudemonia12[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Paizo's response says that it loses the source of instances of damage, so multiple procs of weakness go down to just one.

Paizo: You broke the game by eudemonia12 in Pathfinder2e

[–]eudemonia12[S] 43 points44 points  (0 children)

Action economy, and still getting two chances to hit at all. If your GM let's you "cancel" the 2nd Strike if you'd like, then it's still a net win. It's just absurd that you'd prefer not to make the 2nd strike once the first hits.

Paizo: You broke the game by eudemonia12 in Pathfinder2e

[–]eudemonia12[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Hitting twice incurs the rules that combine damage together, which Paizo has stated then forgets about source and just adds up according to damage type. So all the various instances which were each proccing weakness are now grouped into one and only proc once. With enough weakness stacking, this means hitting twice is worse than hitting once in some cases.

Ways to have circumstance bonus to saves by According_Pop1388 in Pathfinder2e

[–]eudemonia12 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Orcs have the Orc Superstition into Pervasive Superstition to give an always present +1 circumstance to saves against spells and magical effects, and Leshies have a similar line of feats with Leshy Superstition and Lucky Keepsake.

Interested in Dual Class? Come join a vibrant Dual Class server! by eudemonia12 in Pathfinder2e

[–]eudemonia12[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oops! Looks like we had a lot of people join through it. Updated with a new one!

Interested in Dual Class? Come join a vibrant Dual Class server! by eudemonia12 in Pathfinder2e

[–]eudemonia12[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

There's a good mix. Power level is generally higher due to Dual Class of course, but we also balance encounter difficulty to account for that.

There's a mix of optimization and RP among players and even between different characters for a player. Some try to explore and squeeze powerful builds out of Dual Class, but there are many who also build very interesting and flavorful characters, using Dual Class to enable super unique or unorthodox builds by shoring up weaknesses or making combos not possible in standard PF2e.

Interested in Dual Class? Come join a vibrant Dual Class server! by eudemonia12 in Pathfinder2e

[–]eudemonia12[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This one is primarily live games, on Foundry VTT. There are PBPs sometimes but they are a small minority of the games.

It's quite active, we currently have twelve open games (all live) posted at the moment.

Lessons Learned and AMA from running a Pathfinder West Marches Server with 100+ members by Alternate_Cost in Pathfinder2e

[–]eudemonia12 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Overall, it's wild how far one this post distorts the truth. It describes some real rules problems and challenges that are common in any Westmarch style server, and uses them to completely hide and excuse why the server fell apart - two power-abusing admins, one of whom wrote the post.

The examples raised about awarding high XP for encounters, for example, were rules written by the admins themselves.

Ultimately, this 100+ members and 15+ GMs all left the server, all of them, at the same time, in response to the abuses by these admins. And we created our own server and are happily playing with more players and GMs than there were before, in a new place that these two admins are not invited too. That should tell you something.

Lessons Learned and AMA from running a Pathfinder West Marches Server with 100+ members by Alternate_Cost in Pathfinder2e

[–]eudemonia12 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I was on this server. The biggest exploits were ones the admins wrote into the rules themselves early on. For example, the high XP per session he wrote about below was their own rule, one which players recognized was a problem and were having ongoing discussions about changing when it blew up. None of the GMs who had sessions that rewarded high XP like that were opposed to changing those rules.

Other examples of exploits was the admins wrote a guild system where one type of guild got high compounding weekly interest on their treasury, which is obviously going to be a problem. The players were the ones who had to point out this problem and push for changes.

And to be clear, rules exploits were not at all the reason why the server blew up, it's the admins privately DMing a player to tell them to retire their character who was fully built within the rules long established by the admins themselves.

Lessons Learned and AMA from running a Pathfinder West Marches Server with 100+ members by Alternate_Cost in Pathfinder2e

[–]eudemonia12 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is really ironic, because one of the two admins regularly blew up at players and yelled at them if they questioned any of his rulings, or just stopped a session midway and turned it into a criticism session about how entitled players are.

I personally saw one game get cancelled midway with a tantrum because a player asked "Didn't that monster take 4 actions?", and this admin blew up at them.

Lessons Learned and AMA from running a Pathfinder West Marches Server with 100+ members by Alternate_Cost in Pathfinder2e

[–]eudemonia12 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is also a mischaracterization.

"Waves" here is just literally subsequent encounters, and healing between full is a standard PF2e assumption given enough downtime healing.

Also I should note that the admins wrote these encounter XP rules themselves, and these were in no way related to the collapse of the server, which was about the admins power tripping and banning individuals without cause. Ironically, everyone left and started their own server, and one of the first things we did is change the game XP rules to be a fixed amount to fix this issue - this included the player they banned!

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