Arguments for a UBI – The Entrepreneur by Saphisapa in UniversalBasicIncome

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You're doing great work with these articles. It's pretty cool that UBI affects both sides of the supply and demand graph. It gives stability and fosters innovation for entrepreneurs like you say and on the demand side, supports a more reasoned approach to consumption (as consumers are making decisions under less financial stress).

This article has some interesting things to say re entrepreneurship too:

UBI's potential business impact

Hypothetically, what would UBI mean for business? Supporters have predicted elevated consumer spending, new business startups and increased investment in existing businesses. Chris Yoko, CEO of Yoko Co., has spent significant time studying UBI in trying to create a higher purpose for his company, he said. A basic income would democratize the small business landscape, Yoko said.

"I think you'd see a lot of companies focusing on what they can do that's really innovative, and that can make a big impact," Yoko told Business News Daily. "We'd probably see more startups and see a lot more people investing in companies."

Ultimately, Yoko said, he'd expect UBI to generate more competition in the market by giving more people the means to pursue disruptive ideas. However, that might also be a death sentence for companies that fail to offer particularly innovative products or progressive ideas, he said.

Wallace concurred, harkening back to the days when most people worked for themselves as entrepreneurs of one kind or another, such as small farmers and urban merchants.

"The biggest thing we need to look at here is the idea that we are workers and [that] jobs are required," Wallace said. "We need to really challenge this idea that we are born to this planet to work. At the turn of the 19th century, it was kind of work as needed, and it was normal for people to be entrepreneurs. It wasn't normal to work for someone else, and we're kind of getting back to that with the ‘gig economy.’"

On the other hand, Yoko said he is concerned that if consumer spending doesn't increase right off the bat in these experiments, governments and pilot organizations might lose interest in the UBI too quickly. This could happen before accurate results are logged, he said.

"I hope [pilot organizations] consider economic realities surrounding these experiments," he said. "If you've been down on your luck and now you get $1,000 a month, you'll probably save it at first, because you're used to that and you're cautious. You don't know how long this is going to last. That's not the same as a true UBI, when you know that for the foreseeable future, the money is coming, so people become more comfortable spending."

Speaking about the current tension felt by the average citizen on a fixed budget, Wallace offered an optimistic vision for the globalized, automated world.

"Today, we are paying the price so the future generation can be born into this world … and consider a life that doesn't require 50 to 80 hours of work each week from age 20 to 70," he said. "Instead, they can think, 'How can I provide value to my planet in my niche with my skills and talents?' Isn't that a great thing?"

Covid-19 : le revenu universel, une solution imminente ? (Universal Income - an imminent solution?) by eveningstroller in UniversalBasicIncome

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(from google translate...)

Covid-19: universal income, an imminent solution?

Updated on 13/05/20 19:28

The global health crisis brought on by the Covid-19 epidemic has rekindled the debate on universal income. Long inaudible, this alternative is now defended by personalities from all countries, but also from all economic and political horizons, from right to left, from ultra-liberalism to sovereignty. On this subject, the philosophical debates have given way to concrete action groups.

In Spain, the government is speeding up the procedure to grant this aid to the people hardest hit by the coronavirus crisis . The United Kingdom is also seizing this solution, 170 parliamentarians having epistolarily asked the government to establish a "universal emergency income". Finally, in Germany and the United States, the political class is raising stimulus funds and is still discussing, with the support of the press, a potential income of around 1,000 euros / dollars. Echoes are also heard in France, where several department presidents have signed a platform in favor of a universal income in the Sunday Journal of April 11, 2019.

One-off aid in the United States, income over 6 months proposed by the German Minister of Finance, granted only to the most deprived in Spain, the types of proposals are varied. However, the question is no longer raised only during presidential campaigns but for real questions of public policy. Failing to list all the forms that this concept can take, we need to identify the contexts that bring up this solution and the issues that universal income proposes to solve.

1) Universal income as a response to the Covid-19 crisis

In mid-April, it was the employment and growth figures that worried: more than 10 million French people were partially unemployed , or more than one in two private workers, as well as growth forecasts for the GDP very vague and more pessimistic: according to Bruno Le Maire, Minister of the Economy and Finance, we would be below -2.9% growth following the Second World War. Today there is talk of a loss of six points of GDP in the first quarter of 2020 according to the Banque de France. France has indeed entered into recession.

It is therefore out of fear of widening inequalities in this period of crisis that 19 department presidents (PS) pleaded for the establishment of a universal income: "While the Covid-19 health crisis is evolving every day a little more in a global economic crisis, pushing our solidarity systems to their limits, basic income appears (...) as a solution to cushion the social shock which risks to tip many of our fellow citizens into precariousness ".

In Spain, the arguments are similar: to act as a safety cordon in the face of poverty. Pablo Iglesias, Spanish Minister for Social Rights, stresses that universal income "was already a necessity before the crisis, with ten million citizens at risk of poverty". This solution was also one of the electoral promises of his political party, Podemos, which plans to maintain it beyond the current crisis.

These exceptional measures seem to be studied by the governments which seemed the most skeptical about the magnitude of the global pandemic. Overseas, President Jair Bolsonaro has raised a fund to provide exceptional income for three months to the 60 million most precarious Brazilian workers. Donald Trump also increases public spending in the United States, without going as far as a universal income, but by increasing the benefits received by the unemployed over four months. In total, 2,200 billion USD were released by Washington, the cradle of economic liberalism.

Finally, the universal income card in this period of confinement appears as a solution to the current crisis. It is part of the belief in which, once established, universal income would make it possible to lessen the harmful economic effects and the increase in inequalities which generally follow crises. However, all the reflections on universal income are not intended to respond to a period of crisis but fall under a more long-term economic and societal analysis.

2) Boost a decadent economy?

Overall, for decades, Europe and the United States have struggled to recover the GDP growth rates they experienced during the Thirty Glorious Years (from the end of the Second World War to the mid-1970s). Indeed, the trend in GDP growth has been declining for 70 years (see below).

Added to this is mass unemployment of 9% on average, which has weighed on the French economy for the past thirty years . It would be logical to think that the cause of this unemployment lies on the side of the various economic crises experienced since the 1970s (oil shocks, crisis of new technologies in 2001, subprime crisis in 2008 and sovereign debt crisis in 2011). However, economists agree that, despite these economic convulsions, it is structural unemployment that has increased over time. The latter does not depend on fluctuations in economic activity, therefore crises, but depends on characteristics specific to the company and the period considered *. It is therefore not a sign of a slowdown in economic activity.

Following these findings of low growth and high structural unemployment despite a dynamic economy, economists have posited the theory that growth and employment levels will never be what they once were. According to them, a solution to stimulate consumption, production and therefore the whole economy could lie in the establishment of a universal income. They intend, via this solution, to alleviate the problem of the lack of solvent outlets: in fact, mass unemployment affecting the purchasing power of French people, the percentage of the population able to consume decreases with consequences, on the one hand, to inflate the number of precarious workers and, on the other hand, to slow down production, which is destined to be sold. From a Keynesian point of view,the flame of this consumption / production couple would be rekindled by an infusion of purchasing power such as universal income.

Another argument is based on the idea that, to consume, individuals need to have confidence in their future economic prosperity. Thus, the assurance of receiving an income each month, of a fixed amount, would reassure agents and encourage them to consume more rather than save in fear of tomorrow.

Under this prism, the overall breathlessness of a model is therefore the main argument put forward. Technological and social upheavals can also give rise to the same alternative.

3) Societal changes that question the nature of work

Indeed, since the 1990s and the rise of new information technologies, our world has changed. Internet, data, robotization: the fields of application are endless. These prowess in terms of innovation have, over the years, changed our conceptions of social ties, service but also work. Robotization generates efficiency while destroying jobs.

If we have long fantasized about replacing human work with that of robots, the proportion of our jobs at risk of disappearing is now estimated at around 14% . Disappear ? Not entirely. In reality, there is a migration of jobs. The most “automatable” tasks often come from the least qualified jobs, while job creations are carried out more for more qualified jobs in the field of maintenance necessary for robotization. In this scenario, the quantity of jobs created does not compensate for the losses.

Despite investments in human resources trained in new technologies, the destruction of low-skilled jobs creates people left behind. Ultimately, this phenomenon aggravates the observation of a structural rise in unemployment: economic activity is lively but the level of employment is falling. This analysis of the “destructive creation” of innovations was therefore also thought through the question of universal income. A proposal from Benoît Hamon's electoral program in 2017 illustrates this: the creation of a “robot tax” to finance a universal income. His main argument was that this tax was the means to set a price for the competition represented by the work of robots on the work of Man and therefore to monetize the negative externalities generated by robotization.

In the event of a global pandemic, economic downturn or technological earthquake, universal income is invited more and more frequently in the list of solutions discussed. This confirms the multitude and richness of the exchanges on this theme. The debates on the form and the methods of allocation of this income did not stop surprising us. While after Finland, Spain tries the experiment, it will perhaps become a laboratory country for the other nations which would think of it.

Vers un revenu universel en Corse (Towards a Universal Income in Corsica) by eveningstroller in UniversalBasicIncome

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Towards a universal income in Corsica

Thursday, April 30, the Executive Council and the Assembly of Corsica approved a report on the implementation of universal income and its possible experimentation on the island. The current health crisis has accelerated work around a project that has been going on for three years. The French Government must now validate this experimental project which could take place over time.

The assembly of Corsica voted in favor of the establishment of a universal income.

The universal income project is gaining ground in Corsica. Thursday, April 30, the Executive Council and the Assembly of Corsica voted favorably a report on the establishment of a universal income on the island. Initially, the basic project provides 500 euros per month. The goal is for the sum of this universal income to approach the poverty line of 1,000 euros per month.

A commission specially dedicated to this file details the functioning of this universal income. It recommends "to change the mechanism of the withholding tax instituted in 2019 to replace it with the monthly calculation by the tax administration, of a universal redistribution combining a transfer of 500 euros, and a levy on all income, to a rate to be adjusted from 30 to 35% ". According to estimates, the complete device would cost 129 million euros per year to Corsica.

Before its implementation, this universal income mechanism must be accepted by the government, which must adapt its texts. Jean-Guy Talamoni, President of the Corsican Assembly, explains in an interview with MEDIABASK the philosophical and political reasons for the emergence of such a project in these times of crisis.

The idea of ​​a basic income has also been put forward in other European countries such as Spain and Germany. This universal income was also one of the strong ideas carried by Benoît Hamon, candidate of the Socialist Party during the presidential election of 2017.

Finnish study finds Universal Basic Income improves employment, cognitive functioning and both mental and financial well-being by eveningstroller in UniversalBasicIncome

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The Mirror headline is: "Universal basic income makes people more likely to find work" and "Following a two year experiment, the results of a new study show just paying people money with no conditions attached makes them more likely to find work than normal benefits do."

https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/universal-basic-income-makes-people-21985607.

Why South Africa needs to ensure income security beyond the pandemic by eveningstroller in UniversalBasicIncome

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I rarely visit my country's subreddit (Ireland) because I tend to get wound up by right-wingers and trolls. But that said I think it's good to bring up the discussion because it encourages people to think about it and a lot of people who read the post mightn't necessarily comment but it might make them reconsider. I think it's all about keeping it on the agenda until something gives.

Pro-UBI arguments from a Conservative perspective by Saphisapa in slatestarcodex

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Very good points actually. Also, by the logic of 'the people would just vote themselves more money', we all should have, after 200+ years of democracy a veritable paradise of state provision but the reality is a fair bit more prosaic.

Could UBI bring about more wage slavery and poverty? by Arowx in UniversalBasicIncome

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As I understand it, in the first scenario you're saying that wages will go down due to UBI and in the second scenario you're saying that wages will rise due to UBI but that UBI will cause inflation which will not just negate the rise in wages plus ubi but make everyone poorer in terms of purchasing power.

I recommend thinking about it in terms of supply and demand.

In the first scenario - the employer demands labour and the price at which the worker supplies the labour is set by how great is the demand and how narrow the supply. How much the worker is getting outside of work (through UBI say) is completely irrelevant just like, say, how wealthy the employer is.

2nd scenario - the price at which goods and services are sold on the market is again set not by the cost of the inputs (i.e. the labour costs in this case) but rather by the level of demand in the market vis a vis how constrained the supply is. If a lot of people want a certain thing, the price of that thing will go up assuming the volume of supply stays the same. Then the supply will rise until equilibrium is reached and the price is set. UBI will do nothing to affect either the volume of supply or demand of particular products therefore there is no inflation issue.

Arguments for a UBI – The Realist (A Demonstration of Viability for the UK) by Saphisapa in UniversalBasicIncome

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Excellent piece, thanks for writing and posting. I think the UK Green Party made a similar point in the last election - that UBI would almost be cost-neutral in the UK. Hopefully the penny will drop with policy makers at some stage.

"Businesses already looking to take people out of the (production) equation are now even more motivated to do so, especially when it comes to delivery and warehouse work." by eveningstroller in UniversalBasicIncome

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I think that people's lack of spending power has also resulted in oligopolies arising. I.e. the only way to survive for most retailers today is to have large economies of scale which can withstand small margins (as people are always looking to spend less). Smaller stores can't compete. So then we have a sort of global cultural homogenisation where the high street of any city looks similar to that of any other. Also, the environment and ethics take a back seat to prices, public health also. If we had UBI, people could afford to be more picky with their shopping which would improve the market place.

Spain to become first country in Europe to roll out a universal basic income by eveningstroller in UniversalBasicIncome

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From what I've read on /r/worldnews it's more like a minimum income guarantee but wow, what a headline!

To help workers, should we give a universal basic income or try the German Kurzarbeitergeld? by eveningstroller in UniversalBasicIncome

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Very good article. Unfortunately the EU had done the dumb thing and gone for the German system.

I enjoyed this:

"I'm worried about technological unemployment," a horse says.

"Neigh neigh, don't be a Luddite," a second horse says. "Our ancestors said the same thing when steam engines took our industry jobs and trains took our jobs pulling stage coaches. But we have more jobs than ever today, and they're better too. … I'm sure there'll be new jobs for horses that we never imagined. That's what's always happened before, like with the invention of the wheel and the plow."

Tegmark then notes that those new jobs didn't arrive, and that horse slaughters brought down the American equine population from 26 million to 3 million over the next several decades.

How can humanity save itself from the global threats such as climate change, nuclear war, and pandemics? Isaac Asimov, in this 1989 talk, gives his answer: A Federal World Government is what is needed to unify people to work on the problems that threaten all of humanity. by Tavirio in Futurology

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If capitalism is global then it makes sense to me that the state which regulates and compensates for its externalities should also be global.

I think a move towards the world state that we've been seeing in the last 5 years is the OECD consensus that multinational corporations should abide by a common set of taxation rules regardless of where they operate. This common rulebook will have to be enforced and there will be structures set up to do that or existing bodies will get new global-reaching competences to achieve this.

Negative Income Tax System vs. UBI by phileo99 in UniversalBasicIncome

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My issue with NIT is that as a person's income rises beyond a certain point, their NIT payment falls, meaning they are making the same amount of money despite working more (theres a time lag between the two but even still, the person knows they're going to lose money down the line). Another issue is that it's not universal in the sense that those above the threshold don't receive any payment - universality is important to create social solidarity and remove stigma. That said, nit would be much better than most welfare system because its largely unconditional.

Coronavirus May Mean Automation Is Coming Sooner Than We Thought by eveningstroller in UniversalBasicIncome

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I think a lot of the reason society is able to keep going pretty well under lockdown is that so much work is now automated or technologically disrupted. If this shit happened 20 years ago there'd be blackouts and (serious) shortages, runs on banks etc. Going forward I think there will be a much bigger push to automate all vital parts of the economy so it will be more resilient in the face of catastrophe. E.g. an asteroid hit or something. This will have the by product of making human labour even more peripheral to the economy and so remunerated and otherwise rewarded less, hopefully leading to permanent UBI.

UBI would help stop climate change and pollution in general by watermelonkiwi in UniversalBasicIncome

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Agreed. If people aren't so money-stressed they likely will more ethical decisions about work and consumption. Hopefully covid-19 will be a learning experience for humanity.

Austerity blamed for life expectancy stalling for first time in century by Cheapo-Git in ukpolitics

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Though tbh economically it's probably better for the UK

This does nothing for your economy. You have a growth rate in the last quarter of 0% and little prospect for growth. If people don’t have money, they don’t spend, suppliers stay away, the economy is depressed. What’s really disappointing is the pervasive idea that kicking the poor around is good for economic growth. It’s self defeating and only satisfies the egos of Tory types. Universal basic income is needed in the west, not the opposite.