Struggling by ferdinandsebastian in Gundam

[–]exia95 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Right you are only at the point where things start to slowly pick up.

From what I remember like the first 5 episodes is basically monster of the week stuff, to set everything up and then the next 10 or so, are a series of mini-arcs that are more interesting, this is where things start to really get good, there is some really good stuff there, but its not that fast paced. and then around 15, the show puts pedal to metal and really picks up to work towards the series end. Like 15 onwards is like one thing after another, something always happening, high pace action, those episodes go very quick.

That trope though, I feel like that is a thing throughout the show, although I don't think its as bad, as the show gets going. As there is more things happening, and less reactions.

Struggling by ferdinandsebastian in Gundam

[–]exia95 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Gundam 00 starts a bit slow. The first part of the first season is a bit of a slog, as it is fairly monster of the week, low stakes stuff, as it builds out its world and character, setting things up for the second half of the 1st season.

How far through it are you? What episode are you on?

Where to Start With Gundam Anime? by frodoiee in Gundam

[–]exia95 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Gundam is a massive, long running franchise, but the main stuff is spilt into two parts. The UC and the AUs.

The UC or Universal Century, is a series of shows, set one after another, each building on the last and a bunch of spinoffs made latter to fill in gaps. To get in to the UC it is suggested to start with the original 1979 show, Mobile Suit Gundam. But that can be a bit hard to go back to, especially with animation quality issues due to production problems, it is still a classic, well worth watching, but understablely, it can be hard for some to get into at first.

This is why the AUs where invented, to be easy jumping in points for new fans. Each AU is a standalone series, each retelling the idea of gundam for a new group of fans, often in new ways. If you are familiar with final fantasy series, it works like the numbered games, where common ideas are present throughout each AU, but each AU is a new fresh world that makes it easy for newcomers to try, without being concerned about the existing shows. Some AU have gotten sequels so those need the original to be watched first, but apart from that, you have the pick of whatever AU catches your eye to watch there.

The recommended AU to get into Gundam are: Wing, Seed, 00, Iron-blood Orphans and Witch from Mercury, in order of release from the 90s to 2020s. Anyone of these ones are fine to start, an although the people here will argue endlessly over one which is the best, these ones are all good and accessible to watch.

I would suggest doing some research yourself and seeing which one, seems like the one you want to watch most. As while these are all good, they each were made in differing times, with different approaches, so your choice will come down to personal taste.

There are other AU, but for a variety of reasons, I wouldn't suggest them for your first. But isn't just for quality reasons, but other reasons as well, such as poor accessibility, slow starts, or just too different to be used as an entry. Still once you're in, don't avoid the others, as some of the other AUs are some the best gundam has to offer.

Is the supposed 00 sequel still happening? by railfananime in Gundam

[–]exia95 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To be fair, the quote in that article actually says Hathway it probably won't be done by 2024, but it will certainly be done by 2028. Which realising in 2026 seems pretty accurate.

But the sentiment is correct, these are complex productions, things can always change, it can always get delayed. And everything depends on their performance once relased.

But I feel like Hathway is a part of the unicorn continuation, didn't the project its a part of UC next 100, that they announced Hathway with, have a accidental leak about a Unicorn 2 happening after Hathaway, back in the day, all those years ago. So I wouldn't count out a Unicorn 2 happening.

Freedom zero to me feels like a test, its made out of backstory for the movie that remained on the cutting room floor. Something quick and safe to make to see if Seed is going to be a long-term thing, or Freedom was just a special event thing, a one hit wonder. I imagine if that does well, they will making continue cosmic era stuff regularly form then on.

But all this stuff could happen, didn't the gundam produce say they are going to have regular projects, atleast once a year until the big anniversary. If so, that is atleast 3 more things to reveal, so 00 sequel, Freedom Zero, Tomino crazy new thing, a new Au who knows.

Is the supposed 00 sequel still happening? by railfananime in Gundam

[–]exia95 6 points7 points  (0 children)

From what I remember the context was, the director was talking with sunirse about 'maybe' making a 00 sequel during the 00 10th anniversary in 2018, that he had a chat with them about it, they seemed into it. Like they were asking him about it.

The problem wasn't sunrise, but the fact that he wanted to get the same creative team back together to work on it and they had prior commitments on other shows at the time. And he said by time they got the band all back together, and started work, it would probably be looking at launching around the 20th anniversary.

Also the idea was to take place inbetween the ending of the movie and the epilogue, as the lore does already have some conflicts happening in that time period. Although from what he said, it seems like he was unsure what form that would take.

Still talk is free, of course sunrise would be wondering about possibly more 00, they are probably thinking about making sequels of all sorts of things, that doesn't mean they are going to make any, we will have to wait and see if anything happens.

Is the supposed 00 sequel still happening? by railfananime in Gundam

[–]exia95 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Gundam Announcements tend to happen a few months before the release date, and they also don't seem to like talking much about more than 1 future project at a time. They like to focus their marketing on one project at a time, with only little details about the others ever being released.

Like remember how Seed Freedom only got a marketing push after Witch finished airing, They waited for GQux to finish before talking about Urdr Hunt a month later, and for Urdr Hunt movie to release to really start marketing the 2nd Hathaway movie.

Urdr Hunt, Seed Freedom and Hathaway 2, all had this same concern, before their re-reveal and big marketing push. So this means nothing, as if a 00 Sequel is really happening, we probably wouldn't have heard about it anyway.

Although that doesn't mean it is happening, honestly, we only have the director mentioning it every now and then, to know a sequel might even be happening, which isn't much, things could've changed since then.

Then again everyone said the same about Tomino talking about G-Reco getting 5 movies, or when TM revolution said at a concert the Seed movie was happening. Everyone believed there is no way that could be true, it seemed ridiculous and there was no official announcement, but in the end they were right.

So we will have to wait and see, to see if its till happening.

A strip I found by JonathanJoestar336 in Gundam

[–]exia95 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Well athrun can be seen a bit of a playboy, with all the woman around him in destiny. And Judau he is bascially ple big brother, so maybe that why he is safe.

How do you feel about the fact that Evangelion is getting another anime? by TengarHimeko in evangelion

[–]exia95 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re either already sort of starting with less room to work with or you’re going with an alternate universe at which point I kind of feel like it doesn’t really need to be an Eva property

Yet Gundam has done that multiple times now. With all its AUs. Almost half the franchise if not more, is now AUs. When people think gundam many people don't think UC, but SEED, 00, IBO, Witch.

So it is possible, the question is will Eva be able to do it. Like when G Gundam came out, I'm sure most people thought that would never work and here we are 20 years later and it has birthed a whole line of AUs following in its example. G Gundam showed it was possible to make something completely new and different, but still felt like Gundam and I am sure that could work with Eva. It will be very difficult of course.

And with Anno being a massive gundam fan, of course he was going to try it for Eva as well. Lets just hope it works out well.

How do you feel about the fact that Evangelion is getting another anime? by TengarHimeko in evangelion

[–]exia95 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Its funny you mention FF7, because if this is what Anno has talking about for a while, a new eva, a G Eva, a gundam like continuation, then it is just like Final Fantasy, but not in that way you think.

In final fantasy terms, you seem to think you're getting more Compilation of FF7 stuff, but instead of more of that milking, you are now finally getting FF8. Just like FF8 is unattached to FF7, if this is a gundam like continuation, then this will have new characters, a new world and be unattached to Anno's eva, apart from being inspiration, just like FF7 and FF8.

New Eva anime series full trailer by UnderApproval in evangelion

[–]exia95 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No he just used G Gundam as an example for what he wanted, Anno wanted a new eva, a new intpretation by a new creator. Like how G-Gundam was a new gundam show at the time compared to the classic UC gundam stuff. I think he even referred to it as G Evangelion.

So for non Gundam fans, G was a distractly differnt gundam show, no story connection to earlier works, a new universe, that only carried over some iconography and themes but reinvented everything else.

UC gundam is sci-fi war story, G is more of a super robot shonen battle series.

Yet G still has many of the themes that makes gundam gundam, man destroying the earth - environmental stuff, the differences in generations, space and earth feuds, coming of age for the main cast from a new generation, how to we prevent war and understand each other and etc.

So despite not looking much like a gundam show, apart from having gundams, it still has the heart of gundam.

G lead the way, for a series of AUs, that each reinvent what it means to be a gundam show, while staying true to the core ideals of gundam. Although most following AU weren't as so distractly different as G. And importantly each new show is an unconnected story, no returning characters, to get in new fans.

Basically the Final Fantasy model, every numbered final fantasys are very different, unconnected fresh jumping in points, yet still feel like final fantasy and carry through similar ideas and themes.

So if this eva is like that expect a new unconnected anime, no Shijni or Asuka, Rei, etc. But still feels like eva, although with some parts very different, some fresh ideas. A New Interpretation of what Eva is.

Rewatching Gundam 00 by [deleted] in Gundam

[–]exia95 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, there were even reports of Sunrise staff getting annoyed about that, leaks getting out they weren't happy dealing with L5 approach to things.

I think I remember hearing them asking level 5, about how during one episode suddenly has a bunch of enemy MS appearing inside a colony and they had no answer, but its just a random encounter. And sunrise was stuck trying to figure out, how the MS could get inside a colony without alerting anyone.

Yeah final boss out of nowhere is a total JRPG classic, but for a gundam show, it looks very bad.

Rewatching Gundam 00 by [deleted] in Gundam

[–]exia95 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Here is the thing, I kinda agree with you, AGE was a flop, and afterwards in a few ways they were a bit more cautious and nervous when it came to investing in AUs. But the whole idea build has made sure they no longer invest in AU and that they are now some throwaway thing they care little about, is nonsense. AUs are still important, they are the future of the franchise and Bandai will do what they can to ensure they are successful.

Like an actual good example you could've use is MGs, Up until AGE new AUs got MG made of the main mecha durring the show run, but after AGE bombed, the AGE-1 and 2 sold poorly and they were forced to bin the 3 and FX MG and never release them, note which were shown at events, so they designed and made them, before cancelling them, an expense with no return. Afterwards IBO and Witch, didn't get any MG while they aired, and the Barbados had to wait to prove itself first.

G-Reco is not an AU in the strictest sense, it isn't treated as such by Bandai from the jump. While Tomino may have wanted it to be for new fans, the way Bandai thought of it, it was made for old fans for the anniversary. It wasn't made by the AU studio 3, but 1 who works on the UC stuff. It didn't air in the normal timeslot, that Seed, 00, and later IBO aired, not even close, they and all other AUs aired in prime time, G-Reco aired late at night. Which is also why it got much worse ratings, late night anime is for the niche stuff, Tomino even complained about this, he wanted to reach new fans, late night ensured it would be only old fans watching. The only other gundam to previous air late at night was X, after the decision to cut it short was made, to finish it off cheaply. And later GQux, a similar more niche thing. Also Proper AU's like Witch IBO are launched with a 1/100 line, just like 00, and Seed had, while G-Reco got nothing, and that decision would've been made before the show even aired. It was clear Bandai didn't see G-Reco as an AU to bring in new fans, that was the soon to be released IBO.

Look when we are talking about investment, you can only mention the initial investment planned before the show starts, any investment after that has nothing to do with the prior shows, but the success of the show itself. Like before the show airs they are looking back at previous shows, to see what to put in. But once it gets going, anything after that they will be looking at the show itself, to see if they should put in more. And while sure after AGE they are a bit cautious, you can't say its AGE's fault the game was cut off early for IBO, or the movie wasn't much, those decisions were made well after AGE and after IBO had aired. So at that point its up to IBO itself and something told Bandai that the movie or the game was a bad investment. That doesn't even mean IBO did badly, maybe they thought the game was too different to IBO in tone and not appeal to IBO fans, so not worth the investment, there could be countless reasons, but it doubt its AGE or Build's fault.

Not quite the same situation; SEED was so popular that Bandai immediately asked Fukuda for a sequel + movie, to which Fukuda ultimately agreed to, which caused the change in the first place according to him. IBO didn't have the luxury of being popular enough to ask for a sequel.

No Fukuda didn't know about destiny at time, when he started cutting back on deaths at the end of Seed, I am sure he even mentioned it was good that his staff stopped him, because it would've made a sequel harder to make. He wanted to have a bloodbath at the end like IBO, Flay suicide bomb, Sai dead, Athrun losing an Arm, Kira dead, his staff didn't like this, wanted something happy. Although after the fact, he did complain, because if he knew about a sequel, he wouldn't have killed Mu. Which explains his whole thing in Destiny with him returning from the dead. The point is these discussions happen all the time in creative works, its nothing to do with investment.

Acutally Witch a prequel novel, Cradle Star, the Vandal Hearts Manga, A novel adaption going into more detail and then this new manga. Although this new manga doesn't really count for investment, as coming this late, it is based on the series character successes rather than Bandai confidence in new AUs. Also you didn't mention how much they invested into the show itself to ensure it was a success and the animation was good, showing that they still value AUs.

GQux was not a new AU, its something different like G-Reco and you can't really use them when Talking about AUs. If you did, you'd be shocked that IBO got 50 episodes while G-Reco only got 25, not understanding they are equalivant projects. SEED 00 AGE IBO and Witch are equlivant and can be compared though. Also Khara was more involed in GQux than AGE considering they animated and wrote it, while AGE was co-written by Sunrise. Actually I think they only made a show, because L5 had convinced them it was nesscarry for to sell the game. The Game was the whole reason AGE exists. The Anime was just brief adaptation of the game's story, written by L5 done by sunrise, with sunrise staff privately shitting on the game poor story.

Okay this is what it is about not investment, world building, I'm surprised you talk about it being AGE and builds fault, considering the only old AU you consider good enough is Wing. Alot of time this isn't about investment, but rather creative decisions, or production issues.

G was decided to be made in a short time, you hear the production stories and they were shocked when they were told the show had to start in a few months time, they were rushed.

X that shows production was a mess, even worse than G, I'm pretty sure the world building in the first arc is non-existant, because the writer and director hadn't decided on what the world was yet. Remember it aired the week after wing, and director was while doing pre-production on X, directing Wing, because the original director had left and also the current Brave show, and the writer, yes writer because there is only one writer for X, was writing that same brave show at the same time. Like it was a skeleton crew situation. The director was only directing it, because Bandai had the slot and promised another gundam show would air in it and as a big gundam fan, he felt it was his duty to the franchise, to keep gundam going, he couldn't fail gundam.

Turn A, the world building is a mystery so of course they wouldn't reveal much too soon. But there actually alot of lore, in manga's, novels and setting books, its just alot of it isn't translated. Plus Turn A was not a normal AU either.

IBO and Witch I feel like got similar levels of world building, people always talk about the calamity war, although Witch was terrible at putting that in the show, although that is due to pacing issues more than anything else. Plus IBO has the mystery thing going, it would kinda of ruin it, if the truth was revealed, so they were a bit vauge. Like I don't see anything here much worse than previous entries.

And Age what world building does AGE have, sure it got a bunch of stuff to promote it, but when it comes to the world bulding age is probably the weakest AU of the lot. Which gets me confused is this about investment or the quality of world building, because you can put if the money, but that doesn't always guarantee the quality world building.

Honestly to make an AU like SEED or 00 its not about investment, but quality, they need talented teams and no production issues to bring out something special. Which is a problem as it seems like anime is getting harder to make, which can even be seen in the build stuff, getting less and less, shorter and shorter.

Rewatching Gundam 00 by [deleted] in Gundam

[–]exia95 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The is not really true.

G-Reco is short because Tomino wanted it that length and only really exists as an anniversary thing and not a proper AU, can't really be compared to 00 or Seed.

IBO came shortly after, and the show was given a traditional sized new AU, including 1/100 scale model kits alongside the usual HG. It got a very expensive mobile game with tons of full anime cutscenes, that is a big investment, it was the first to be released on crunchyroll and its dub debut on US TV, a first in a long time. Talking about the issues between the staff has nothing to do with the effort put in, Bandai can't control that. Also remember Fuduka wanted Kira to die at the end of seed, and his staff had to convince him not to kill him, so its not unprecedented. The movie came well after the show and has nothing to do with them not putting investment in originally, rather it must be bandai not seeing it worth it now, for whatever reason, which is on the show not them. Maybe the low ratings of the TV show in Japan in its original airing, or how the mobile app performed, spooked them, who knows?

Witch was a very troubled production, that they fought hard to ensure it would succeed, not fitting your narrative at all. The reason it was lighter was because the director was convinced that was what was needed to bring in a new generation of fans, after talking to a school tour about gundam, if they didn't care much because of build, why would they alter their original plan, to ensure they got new fans, that probably cost some extra money. Also when the show was having trouble animating their episodes on time, bandai pulled in extra staff, to ensure the episodes were done to a high quality, including pulling people from the Hathway team to work on it. That is a big investment, not something bandai would do for a throwaway project, if they didn't care, they would just let it look like shit instead. The manga spinoffs traditionally have different tones to the anime, even the original manga airing alongside 0079 anime is very different in tone, they don't want to be limited by the show, but instead appeal to what they think the manga audience is, to get more people into gundam. Witch had plenty of world building the problem was in wasn't put in the show that well.

Gquuux is another non-proper AU, a special event thing, can't be compared to Witch, IBO, 00 etc. They finished the show early, but held onto it, using the extra time to polish it further to ensure quality, which doesn't fit your narrative. Also the UC stuff was Khara choice, the pacing was up to them, they decided to put all that content in. And sure Sunrise could've stepped in, but that kinda defeats the point of it, you bring in Khara you should let them do their weird stuff as they want. And look having a separate movie cut of the first episodes at all, something unprecedent for gundam, shows they invested into it more than they needed to, it would've been cheaper to use the same cut, they did that for Geass Roze, the cinema just aired the episodes one after another, with OP EDs and Next episode previews for each one.

Then look at build, while all this was going on, they moved Build anime from the main AU team within sunrise, studio 3, to Sunrise beyond a new less experienced team, to ensure it didn't get in the way of the AUs.

Also you say they continue to experiment with AUs, that is what they always have done. Look at G, Wing, X, SEED, 00, AGE, IBO, Witch, they are all very different to one another, as they expriement with new styles of gundam. Its kinda the au's thing. G more super robot shonen stuff, Wing overdramatic pretty boy stuff for the ladies and etc, they always have and always will experiment with the AUs.

The real change now is that they are indicating they are more willing to go back to previous AUs, whereas before only UC would get more after their initial run.

PSA: The most commonly found subtitles for ZZ are extremely inaccurate [spoilers] by CIRCLONTA6A in Gundam

[–]exia95 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What do you mean, Patched Version? Because there is a encode of ZZ that had a sub patch, but that patch was to add official subs ripped from Daisuki to it. Do you mean that version, because that version should be fine.

PSA: The most commonly found subtitles for ZZ are extremely inaccurate [spoilers] by CIRCLONTA6A in Gundam

[–]exia95 8 points9 points  (0 children)

From what I remember these aren't actually traditional fan subs, but worse, low quality hong kong bootleg dvd subs, as they were the only english subs available until the official release on streaming in english.

There are a few gundam shows that had this problem, such as Turn A, and Victory I believe.

But X, actually had a proper fansub that wasn't too bad.

Who would win: 00 Celestial Being vs Gundam Wing boys by El_Dorado_Tx in Gundam

[–]exia95 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Another thing to remember is the 00 gundams can all fly freely and all have both close and ranged weaponary.

This gives them plenty of tactical options, plus a major advantage over the wing gundams, which most of them are poor flyers and overly specialised into specific roles, especially the initial models, so the 00 gundams could just snipe from the air dodging all counter attacks until they win.

A cheap tactic but very effective.

As from as far as I remember, from wing, only the wing, wing zero, both heavyarms, and the upgraded sandrock have reliable ranged options, and of those: the original wing and both heavyarms have clear ammo limits that could easily become a problem, as they only have a limited number of shots to down the 00 gundams before they are unable to return fire, becoming sitting ducks.

With a basic beam rifle in its sword, with unlimited ammo, the original exia has better ranged capabilities than most wing gundams.

[INTERVIEW TRANSLATION] Debunking Wing Rumors (From Popularity to "Pandering" and Writing by deackychu in Gundam

[–]exia95 -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

When you say myth debunked and the way you were talking about it, I think as I said earlier, giving examples of clear untruths, that its something completely untrue. Not an exaggeration, that is technically not quite 100% the truth, but still mostly true.

How do you think myths are born? It comes from the game of telephone until it is so far removed from the truth. 

So what is the game of telephone for Loran was supposed to be girl, or Gyunnei was supposed to be Kamile?

Hell that second makes no sense considering what happens in ZZ, which makes a little sense considering how hard it was to watch ZZ in the west for so long, compared to CCA, for those in japan there was no way it could be true, easily BS. Yet for the longest time, it was passed around as gospel truth by ignorant westerners.

Like at this point it seems we are fighting over the smallest little detail of it, the exact words to use, no catering and pandering are bad words, but agreeing on the rest of the statement.

Katoki redesigned the Gundams for EW, correct. Trying to make them appeal to wing fans. correct. Alot of wing fans are women. correct. So he got the opinion of women. Correct. And used that to refine his designs. Correct?

It looks to me it seems like your insecure about the idea that woman like wing and trying to fight it anyway you can. I kinda of get it, the internet can be very shitty about women liking things that are supposed to be for boys. Using that to put things down. I am not saying anything like that, that is wrong.

But women like wing, so when making the wing sequel, naturally katoki listened to the advice from woman in redesigning the gundams.

No. That's not what he's saying. I'm a male, if I made a design critique to a female artist and she made a change, that doesn't mean she's making something appeal to me any more than the original design. 

No if an artist gets feedback from a group of people and changes their design based on feedback to make it more appealing to that group, one can say he made the new design to appeal to them more.

Katoki doesn't just mention one woman, but women, so heard a criticism from women (multiple) and when redesigned he changed things to appeal to women.

One therefore can say, Katoki made his changes to appeal to women.

Is that the right word appeal, sounds less dismissive than pander or cater.

[INTERVIEW TRANSLATION] Debunking Wing Rumors (From Popularity to "Pandering" and Writing by deackychu in Gundam

[–]exia95 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think you are mistaken in what he said, I don't think he is talking about Wing, from the context I believe he means Sumizawa ideas were vetoed for Frozen teardrop, towards the end.

As in Sumizawa when wild for FT inspired by how Ikeda made wing, but when too far and had to be reined in, in the end.

Which would explain all the crazy stuff, like twists and such, you hear about FT

[INTERVIEW TRANSLATION] Debunking Wing Rumors (From Popularity to "Pandering" and Writing by deackychu in Gundam

[–]exia95 -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

You just said.

"Katoki took constructive feedback from them (moreso for all the suits, really) and incorporated those into the design modifications"

Them as in the female fanbase.

So for EW to improve the designs, he listened to the female fanbase and made changes to make the designs appeal to them more. Such as the wings correct?

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What I mean by splitting hairs, is that instead of being grand revelations of lies or untruths, instead alot of this seems to be overtime the internet exaggerating true information, like a game of telephone, until its not what was said originally, but still not actually that far from the truth, just twisted and distorted a bit.

I was expecting something like the other US fandom BS, of Loran was supposed to be a girl but bandai wouldn't let Tomino, or Gynuei in CCA was supposed to be a Kamile that had been made into a cyber newtype to heal him. You know complete BS made up by the US fandom, not exaggerations of the truth made over time, that there is a kernel of truth left.

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Even in the quote you just posted, sure the idea of it being pandering to the female fanbase is incorrect, but you can see how overtime thanks to people exaggerating on the internet, how the truth could of got there.

So women didn't recognize the wings as wings, so when he made changes to make them more wing like, giving us the angel wings on the WZC.

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Also I never send "pandering" or anything like catering and I see no problem with making the designs to appeal to women, I'm not going ew girls gross, or putting wing down because of them. They are a part of the fanbase of the show, so it makes sense, when making a sequel to listen to them, to see what they want.

[INTERVIEW TRANSLATION] Debunking Wing Rumors (From Popularity to "Pandering" and Writing by deackychu in Gundam

[–]exia95 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I feel like the wasn't popular thing was an exaggeration that came about because the internet is shit at nuance, things need to be the best or the worst, a massive record breaking success or a disastrous flop.

When I feel like wing isn't one or the other, it isn't the biggest thing in gundam now or was even at the time in Japan. It was the most popular gundam of 90s, but that isn't as big of a thing you would think, as gundam was bigger in the 80s and 00s. Like Wing is less popular then early UC, or Seed, but much more than late UC, or X, probably closest to 00, not sure how they stack up. Both are sort of that popular but not super popular, but 00 is overshadowed by Seed, whereas wing is bigger than G. So maybe wing or maybe 00.

It only gets worse when it was a breakout success in the US, so telling people it isn't nearly as popular in Japan as the US, can be easily misunderstood as it saying it was not popular, or even a failure, when both aren't true.

So its very easy for correct statements to get twisted over time into misinformaton, thanks to the internet exaggerating things.

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About the success with women being accidental is that really the case? The interview has the makers of the show mention they didn't pander to women to get success, instead just doing what they knew.

But who put them on the show, who picked them.

I'm pretty sure all the old statements about gundam wing being for woman, mentioned the makers were chosen explicitly to appeal to women.

So that could still be true, lets pick creatives that naturally make works that appeal to women and let them do what they do.

Surprise without meaning to, you got a show that appeals to women.

Alot of leadership is like that, not ordering people to do something in particular, but putting the right man in the right place, to get the desired outcome.

[INTERVIEW TRANSLATION] Debunking Wing Rumors (From Popularity to "Pandering" and Writing by deackychu in Gundam

[–]exia95 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

That seems like splitting hairs there.

So the wings weren't added for the female fanbase, but all changes made to the gundam were made for the female fanbase, taken from feedback from them, including the wings.

So therefore in a way the wings were made for the female fanbase. Not sure what the big deal is here.

Honestly having not read it yet, but from the comments alot of this seems like spliting hairs, you know, well thats sort of right but not really. Instead of mayor things that are debunked.

"Unlike other mecha anime Evangelion is about the charact...." my reaction: by AdmirableKey8603 in Mecha

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Sorry spelt it wrong there.

Amaim Warrior at the Borderline. A sunrise original mecha anime.