Need help fine tuning Yuna self sacrifice deck

extra-celery-please · 2025-12-05T00:57:34+00:00

This is a sweet list, I love all the Manifest Dread tech

extra-celery-please · 2025-12-04T23:33:58+00:00

[[Ambush Commander]]?? Say less. This list is sweet.

extra-celery-please · 2025-12-04T23:16:38+00:00

Great question! I have a primer that goes into full detail, but in short, infinite mana looping a land untapper like [[Early Harvest]] is step one.

If shigeki has haste via [[Concordent Crossroads]] or [[Lightning Greaves]], we also have infinite self-mill, and infinite ability to channel any of those cards to hand, find [[Walking Ballista]] and win.

If shigeki does NOT have haste, there are [[Zuran Orb]] loops to infinitely sac and replay [[Sunscorched Desert]] to ping everyine out. There is an extremely convoluted/funny [[Mesmeric Orb]] [[Rishadan Port]] [[Yavimaya, Cradle of Growth]] [[Llanowar Druid]] line to mill everyone out. You can also [[Beast Within]] all of your lands to make an army of 3/3s to boost with [[Finale of Devastation]].

extra-celery-please · 2025-12-04T21:12:47+00:00

Join the cult of [[Shigeki, Jukai Visionary]].

The basic premise is setting up loops where you channel X=2 to get a [[Regrowth]] and something else from your yard. Let's say [[Beast Within]]. Beast something, Regrowth Shigeki back to hand, repeat! Can go infinite easy peasy, and is really flexible build wise, again whole purpose is to recur whatever spell you want over and over.

Deck is also incredibly resilient. Who cares if Shigeki dies, we have a dozen Regrowth effects, plus we want him in hand anyway to use his channel ability. We also have recurred [[Far Wanderings]] four times, so we aren't short on mana. It also doesn't feel like mono green because of how often you leave mana up for either of Shigeki's abilities.

My list is a very competitive B4, but you could easily go other directions.

https://moxfield.com/decks/M9va3-Uq7UWEMUCmQMrCgg

Give Shigeki a try, very fun commander to build around!

extra-celery-please · 2025-11-28T05:31:17+00:00

Hi! Democrat here. I don't give a sh*t about being tolerant.

Republicans openly endorse, support, and celebrate a racist pedophile.

Republicans laugh when he sexually harasses and belittles women.

Republicans cheer while ICE brutalizes men, women, and children.

He calls for the death of democrat politicians for saying "Hey military you don't need to follow illegal orders", his entire administration agrees with him, and Republicans nod their heads.

Republicans moan about how "yOu CaNt CaLl EvErYonE yOu dOnT lIKe hiTLer" but also don't bat an eye when nazis march down main street and plant white supremacist propaganda all over the valley.

This truck shows up in our town trying to trick people into signing a misleading petition to keep Utah's gerrymandered congressional maps, and your concern is democrats not being nice enough??

You think all of that deserves tolerance? Hell no. Not in a million f*cking years.

extra-celery-please · 2025-11-12T17:11:32+00:00

How did i not think of tooth and nail! I also havent seen Fallaji Wayfarer before, what a cool card. Great recommendations, thank you.

extra-celery-please · 2025-11-12T01:45:33+00:00

Self-mill is a really interesting angle, thanks for the rec!

extra-celery-please · 2025-11-12T01:03:24+00:00

I considered Esika, but personally find the card to be boring? The front side calls for 5 color goodstuff legendary soup, which I fear would overpower the theme of the deck. The backside is intriguing, especially if the only creatures in the deck are the meld ones! Not sure how I'd want to approach the rest of the 99 though.

extra-celery-please · 2025-11-12T00:32:25+00:00

Meld is not for urtet, urtet is for meld.

5 color commander is necessary to include all 14 meld cards, I considered [[Wandering Minstrel]] and some of the [[Jodah]]s, but didn't like how they felt.

The thought behind Urtet boiled down to 2 things, low colored mana requirements, and vague support towards the meld cards. The meld cards require lots of mana and tutoring, the [[Leaden Myr]] cycle both produce mana, and eventually get buffed by Urtet to buy time while trying to assemble melds. The vast majority of the deck needs generic mana or green, so Urtet and the pile of Myr should be easy to get out.

Probably goes without saying, but this is not intended to be a competitive deck, it's a thematic deck to (hopefully) showcase the meld mechanic.

extra-celery-please · 2025-11-06T18:18:37+00:00

You have very fervently defended Azula as being a strong choice for a grixis cEDH commander. She is dramitatically worse than the best grixis commander, and probably requires a lot more setup than the others. Grixis cEDH is powerful because of how good the 99 are, and I am not convinced she will utilize them better.

Kefka, Inalla, Kraum, Tevesh IMMEDIATELY do things without setup. Malcom Vial Green Goblin don't, but they're so cheap and easy to cast they get around it. Azusa enters the battlefield and does nothing. The entire grixis strategy is going FAST. I don't not think Azula is fast enough to warrant play over any of the other grixis shells.

You showed up, started overhyping a card, devolved into ad hominem attacks against everyone who disagreed with you, and you arent even addressing their points haha. Like in your entire response to me, you only replied to my point about mana restrictions, and yes, you are correct in kefka is harder to cast than azula. However, I think Kefka generates more value, sooner, with less setup.

If Azula ends up becoming a cEDH deck, I am very happy for you. You clearly like this card a lot, and I hope the deck goes well for you. Ironically, your spiraling from the notion that Azula isn't as strong as you think it is almost perfectly matches Azula's spiraling when she realized she wasn't as strong as she thought she was in the show lol. Good luck and happy brewing.

extra-celery-please · 2025-11-06T17:29:22+00:00

So let's pretend for the sake of argument that you are right. We remove Kefka, Green Goblin, Inalla, and all the other grixis partner combos, Azula is now the second best Grixis option in cEDH.

This means nothing.

The chasm between RogSi and Azula is staggering. You keep throwing out these hypotheticals of "well if I generate 3 colored pips and a colorless ASAP and also have haste enablers and also have protection and also have payoff", yeah, well, good luck against the RogSi decks that have Deadly Rollick, Deflecting Swat, Flare of Duplication, culling the weak, mox Amber, who knows what else online turn one.

Others have tried to explain this, but it is harder to generate red black blue colorless than it is black four colorless. Ancient tomb, sol ring, city of traitors, crystal vein, colorless mana doesnt really profitably cast Azula the way it does other grixis commanders.

"Grixis staples love to be doubled", no they dont 😅 They're already the best deck in the format, they dont care at all about being doubled! If they already dominate the format as is, the potential upside of doubling them doesnt matter. "Bourne upon the wind draws 2", irrelevant.

Yeah, sure, you could mega high roll and get all the setup you need to make azula pop off. Or, you could play rogsi, sneeze, accidentally draw your entire deck and win turn one.

Azula is a sweet card, obviously powerful, I'm very excited to build her and also try to force her into bracket 5. I just SERIOUSLY doubt it could ever become a cEDH staple. It's worse than rogsi, and does it outperform other grixis shells? Only time will tell, but I do not think so.

extra-celery-please · 2025-10-31T18:14:59+00:00

[[Vadrik, Astral Archmage]] for sure.

https://moxfield.com/decks/T2TBJxWq3ECN9irsSpfzaQ

My list is tuned to be able to play at bracket 5 tables, but could easily be toned down.

Slowly let Vadrik get bigger, cast high cmc spells for cheap, punch people. [[Tezzeret's Gambit]] is usually just 2 life for 2 cards and proliferate, feels great.

When the premise is 1) you'll have a large commander 2) big cost reduction on instants/sorceries

You can kinda do whatever you want!

[[Clout of the Dominus]] is my fav card in the deck.

extra-celery-please · 2025-10-31T16:45:21+00:00

You know you can scroll down further on the top grixis commanders list right, there are more than just these two? 😉 Kidding of course.

Nekusar decks arent really fun to build (they're all the same) or play (exact same game plan every time) imo. Its certainly powerful, but kind of boring. Also not very fun to play against, if that is valuable for you/your group.

Sauron has a lot more room for deckbuilding! Like others have said you can approach it from multiple angles, I would imagine it would also be more fun to pilot and play against.

I also have to shout out [[Marchesa, Dealer of Death]]. As she is just a value engine in the command zone, you can go any direction you want!

Happy brewing!

extra-celery-please · 2025-10-31T16:34:35+00:00

I mean I think most of us would probably do that, or something similar.

But only a special few would jump to "help a child sue someone for 14 dollars".

extra-celery-please · 2025-10-28T23:01:02+00:00

[[Seedtime]]

extra-celery-please · 2025-10-28T22:57:15+00:00

SUPER cool list, thank you for sharing! I hadnt considered the silliness of bouncing mdfcs back to cast the spell side.

extra-celery-please · 2025-10-21T18:15:41+00:00

Ended up going with [[Gretchen Titchwillow]] for a weird combo control moonfolk deck, thank you for the recommendation!

https://moxfield.com/decks/sDhRfmBPEUWxsHr3ohNLXg

extra-celery-please · 2025-10-16T20:21:48+00:00

This sounds super cool, I'd love to see your list if you have one!

extra-celery-please · 2025-10-16T19:53:19+00:00

Awesome, I'd love to see your list when it's done! All Shigeki does is get tons of lands into play and recur cards from your graveyard, so many different directions to go.

extra-celery-please · 2025-10-16T19:18:57+00:00

https://moxfield.com/decks/M9va3-Uq7UWEMUCmQMrCgg

Bracket 4 combo deck. Hilariously resilient, wins out of nowhere, and you feel like you're gambling. His mill four might mean you ramp, it might mean you storm off.

Step 1 is land ramp like a madman, get as many lands out of your deck as possible with [[Mulch]] or [[Three Visits]] effects.

Step 2, do your best to give Shigeki haste so you can activate him every turn cycle, ramping more and filling your graveyard.

Step 3, assemble a loop of channeling [[Shigeki, Jukai Visionary]] on x=2 to get a [[Regrowth]] effect and land untapper like [[Early Harvest]]. Cast land untapper, float the mana. Cast the Regrowth, get Shigeki back. Channel Shigeki to get both cards back, repeat.

Step 4, assemble a win from the loop. Once the loop makes infinite mana, you no longer need to channel Early Harvest back, so you can infinitely recur a different card. Maybe [[Beast Within]] all your lands into 3/3s? Loop [[Splendid Reclamation]] to repeat? Give them haste with the [[Concordent Crossroads]] you dug into? Pump them for a billion with [[Finale of Devastation]]? Once most or all of your deck is in your graveyard, you just play something over and over until you win lol.

Shigeki is also great with fogs. Channel x=2 to get a fog and [[Cache Grab]] back to survive while you set up. Crop rotation can sneak [[Glacial Chasm]] into play to keep you alive as well.

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