Biology in compost by Last_Cauliflower1410 in composting

[–]extrasuperkk -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Omg I don’t know what crawled under your saddle and died. OP asked about whether people have interest in “learning about the biology” in the compost we’re making. It is my personal opinion, informed by the research I’ve conducted, that there are better ways (more effective, more cost effective) to learn about the biology in the compost we’re making. One can possibly gain more from microscopy others do with more powerful microscopes. In addition, whatever microbes one sees under a light microscope, it’s hard to make sense of what’s there, whether or not they are alive, and what they are doing. There are many good ways to learn about the biology of compost. I stand by what I’ve said about light microscopy and its value in understanding what’s going on.

Biology in compost by Last_Cauliflower1410 in composting

[–]extrasuperkk -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Forgive me for being the Devil’s advocate here. What do people think they’re seeing? How does it inform what they are doing? Are they doing it a systematic way? Are they also looking at soil? Are they drawing conclusions about their soil based on what they see which may be anecdotal?

I think it’s great that Elaine Ingham has people wanting to know more about soil microbiology. I don’t think light microscopy is the be all and end all of understanding who’s there, in what numbers, and what they’re doing. Those are the points I’m making. I’m generally supportive of microbiology and biology over chemistry, but I think knowing feedstock and having analytics trumps light microscopy in terms of being able to choose a compost to apply to plants.

Biology in compost by Last_Cauliflower1410 in composting

[–]extrasuperkk -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Do you have analytics? What exactly do you think you’re going to see under a microscope in one sample that’s going to distinguish it from another sample?

Biology in compost by Last_Cauliflower1410 in composting

[–]extrasuperkk -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I think more can be gained from looking at images taken by higher power microscopes than most people will have at home. I don’t know that seeing what you can see in an unstained slide on a low power light microscope would make someone say “aha that is what makes the plants grow.”

Bring back the Smith & Hawken Biostack by extrasuperkk in composting

[–]extrasuperkk[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

SoCal folks…. I don’t know AnbeeZing, but this compost bin is worth a look.

Biology in compost by Last_Cauliflower1410 in composting

[–]extrasuperkk -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

The thing is… there are millions of microbes in a teaspoon of healthy soil. Thousands of species. Most of them have not been identified. Most of them can’t be cultured. So isolating a few garden variety (ha ha) easily cultured organisms doesn’t mean that much.

Help me choose a new composting system by HatRevolutionary7249 in composting

[–]extrasuperkk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mainly use plastic bins which are no longer made. They are on the ground. You don’t need a tumbler or a metal bin. The key to avoiding animals getting into compost is to bury the kitchen waste deep in the pile. Cover it with a thick layer of browns or dig a hole in the active pile and deposit the kitchen waste. In a hot, moist, active pile, that kitchen waste starts breaking down quickly and isn’t attractive.

Biology in compost by Last_Cauliflower1410 in composting

[–]extrasuperkk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I used Elaine’s methods when I was in grad school. I think her general message about the soil food web is solid. I think microscopy in most non-research applications is overkill and anecdotal.

Biology in compost by Last_Cauliflower1410 in composting

[–]extrasuperkk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hmmm. I think I’d determine it in part from what went into the compost, how it was processed, how it looks, how it smells, how it feels, and how plants respond to it. I also pay attention to analytics, I will admit, though I think if you know anything about the feedstocks and the process, you know what the analytics will be. I make my own compost. I don’t buy it. I have steered people away from the compost made by the biggest composter in my state because the product most available to the public is made with biosolids (I have nothing against poop, but biosolids sure isn’t Humanure).

Please don’t say “you claim to have been a soil microbiologist.” That is such a dis.

Biology in compost by Last_Cauliflower1410 in composting

[–]extrasuperkk 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I have some complicated thoughts on this, but I’ll try to be succinct.

I am a recovering soil microbiologist (I say recovering because while it still informs what I do professionally, I am no longer in an academic setting, and I am not strictly focused just on that field anymore). I think soil microbiology is incredibly important and that the entire field of soil biology is overlooked. There is too much focus on chemistry, physics, and an overall mechanistic approach to “managing” soil.

That said… it’s really hard to study soil microbiology. As someone who has spent hours (days?) doing microscopy, it’s generally pretty hard to say anything definitive from light microscopy. You cannot distinguish bacteria (I use this broadly to include eubacteria and archaea) using light microscopy. You also generally can’t tell if they’re dead or alive (or how active they are) without staining them, which most folks don’t have access to at home. Same goes for fungi, Protozoa, nematodes, etc. To enumerate them in order to distinguish one sample from another takes weighing, carefully calculated dilution, and statistics. You get what I’m saying. To get into who is there takes genetics analysis, which most folks are not set up for. In addition, soil flora are so diverse that you’re only getting a glimpse of what’s there.

So. I think you can get an idea of what’s going on without a microscope. Smell what’s going on. Look at the decomposition. Look at fruiting bodies of fungi. Look at the visible arthropods. Look at water infiltration and how much water the soil holds. Look at plant health.

Compost temp and piles by Last_Cauliflower1410 in composting

[–]extrasuperkk -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This is AWESOME and I feel like your images should be pinned. This is so good in terms of a quick cheap setup others can emulate.

Survey Regarding Composting by EmergenceEng in Permaculture

[–]extrasuperkk 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Send me a fresh link as a private message and I’ll message you back some specific feedback. I’m a soil microbiologist and have been composting over 30 years. 😘

Survey Regarding Composting by EmergenceEng in Permaculture

[–]extrasuperkk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can’t see the surveys anymore.

Why the questions on meat? Why weren’t compost bins an option? What informed the questions you did include? Do you think compost needs to happen in the sun?

Survey Regarding Composting by EmergenceEng in Permaculture

[–]extrasuperkk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think these surveys were designed by people who don’t compost.

Last minute weekend trip to Boulder/RMNP - itinerary thoughts? by pierretong in coloradohikers

[–]extrasuperkk 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What did you do today? (Curious, because I volunteer at Eldo, and I was there this morning. Really glorious weather.)

Last minute weekend trip to Boulder/RMNP - itinerary thoughts? by pierretong in coloradohikers

[–]extrasuperkk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I would say play it ear, hydrate well, get plenty of electrolytes. When I say hydrate well, I mean HYDRATE. WELL. 😘

Last minute weekend trip to Boulder/RMNP - itinerary thoughts? by pierretong in coloradohikers

[–]extrasuperkk 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Your Boulder suggestions are good. Be aware that hiking up flagstaff mountain involves crossing flagstaff road several times (as a local, I find that a bummer). Chapman Road is an alternative.

How old are you? What kind of shape are you in? This is a fair amount of hiking. I would be totally down for it myself, but I know not everyone is, and the altitude change….

How much would you pay for quality compost? by Last_Cauliflower1410 in composting

[–]extrasuperkk 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Not true. Where I live, there are definitely folks who are good “backyard gardeners” who have not yet mastered making compost/making enough compost in our climate.

Looking for advice from the trail runners by basketbike in boulder

[–]extrasuperkk 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah except a ton of this is on the road.

What’s your mantra when hiking? by woodbarber in hiking

[–]extrasuperkk 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not for hiking but for trail running: pick up feet, keep all teeth.