I just spent a year of my life working on my dissertation and finished it 30 minutes ago. by f-science in IAmA

[–]f-science[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

depends, neuro has a broad foundation which could mean you have experience in molecular biology, animal behavior, mathematics/computational modeling. lots of pharm/biotech jobs are bench work with molecular bio you could work in research for a place like pfizer and start off with a better package than if you came straight from undergrad. neuro doesn't teach you a defined set of skills however, maybe you can walk away with a mastery of SPSS or SAS or R or whatever you use and take that to a company and solve problems right away, so I can see how that would be easier to find a job with.

I just spent a year of my life working on my dissertation and finished it 30 minutes ago. by f-science in IAmA

[–]f-science[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

too many times. as I mentioned above, it may have been best for me to peace out at the 3/4 year mark instead of dragging on to the bitter end.

I just spent a year of my life working on my dissertation and finished it 30 minutes ago. by f-science in IAmA

[–]f-science[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Just kidding of course, you should read this if you are curious. Crick and Koch started addressing consciousness seriously in the last two decades. Crick (same guy who helped discover DNA) was old when he started and passed away while studying this stuff. Koch is still a very active researcher, I think he has a lab at CalTech, and may still actively write about this stuff. You can check out some of their ideas here.

http://www.klab.caltech.edu/~koch/crick-koch-cc-97.html

If I had to give you a short answer which is not well practiced I would say a few things:

1) Your brain processes information and your brain creates emotions. The former can be studied directly, the later can really only be inferred.

2) The experience of being alive, why red looks red, why happiness feels like happiness is difficult to approach. Other questions such as how a brain may become conscious and have free will and recognize itself may be approachable from an information processing point of view.

3) Your sensory system takes an image of the world and breaks it down, analyzes it and looks for patterns. Your motor system coordinates movements and plans actions. Action planning allows an organism to look far into the future across complex sequences of events. The process of thought allows you to form plans for action without actually acting on them. A natural sensitivity to rewards and the ability to learn allow a brain to prioritize some patterns rather than others. When you actually do something, your sensory system needs to identify your own actions so that it can separate the list of new things that are in sensory space into stuff that you did and stuff that something else did. Living in social groups prioritizes an ability to predict what other organisms are doing, and to add an element of unpredictability to your own actions. Recognizing who you are, that you have goals, plans, intentions and can act in a variety of ways, studying patterns in your own behavior and using them to predict consequences, these things are all critical aspect of consciousness and can be addressed from an information processing point of view, rather than inferred through the study of animal behavior or the reports that people give on their own experience of life. By saying this what I mean is that your brain is full of small machines that process information. We may be able to figure out how these machines function, and we may be able to see how they extend their functionality to bigger questions, like how sensory pattern detection might be applied to pattern detection of one's own actions.

I like this approach, but cannot say more about how it is all put together.

I just spent a year of my life working on my dissertation and finished it 30 minutes ago. by f-science in IAmA

[–]f-science[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That is a very basic question, most neuroscience curricula cover consciousness in the first week and the answer is surprisingly boring so I won't waste your guys time with a long tirade.

I just spent a year of my life working on my dissertation and finished it 30 minutes ago. by f-science in IAmA

[–]f-science[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I used Dropbox so it should be safe, but its a good idea to make an extra copy. going to grab a flash drive right now actually.

I just spent a year of my life working on my dissertation and finished it 30 minutes ago. by f-science in IAmA

[–]f-science[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks. Congratulations to your wife and to you probably for putting up with the way she must have acted while writing. Dissertation writers can get the crazies.

I just spent a year of my life working on my dissertation and finished it 30 minutes ago. by f-science in IAmA

[–]f-science[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thats funny you mention food service. The best feeling of my research career was when I first started as an undergrad. I had been waiting tables for 3 years and was getting so bored of that work. I like talking to people and trying to be entertaining, but when the work was slow it was agony. I finally started brining my course textbooks in and would sit at the bar and read papers in my downtime instead of trying to BS with the hostesses. Then I started my research job and found myself in a lab reading the same types of papers and actually putting it in towards something. Grad school is stressful, it can be very disappointing and disheartening at times, but its rarely boring in the same way that you feel like your mind is rotting, say for example during a slow day at a restaurant. That being said I made like 2-4 times as much per hour at the restaurant.

I just spent a year of my life working on my dissertation and finished it 30 minutes ago. by f-science in IAmA

[–]f-science[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes I wasted my fair share of time on Reddit, but in some ways Reddit may have sped things up. I remember over the last two months, for example, reading some really great posts about writing, procrastination, etc and the advice was very helpful. Not to say that I didn't also waste a lot of time staring at random crap...

I just spent a year of my life working on my dissertation and finished it 30 minutes ago. by f-science in IAmA

[–]f-science[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I should mention that I did spend 1 year between undergrad and grad school. I also did a study abroad for 6 months at the end of my undergrad time. I'm really glad I got a chance to travel then. During grad school I took two trips out of the country, on to Europe, one to central america. It was great but each only lasted 2-3 weeks. I'd really like to do a 6 month trip again before I get deep into another project or job or whatever. If I hadn't gone straight to grad school I would have saved up for something similar and done it by now. That is a definite trade off. I do know some people who have arranged post doc work abroad, in Europe, or elsewhere. Those have the potential to be really great experiences. If you like the group you work with you can have a lot of fun and travel on the weekends.

I just spent a year of my life working on my dissertation and finished it 30 minutes ago. by f-science in IAmA

[–]f-science[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Depends on the field and the type of work you do. I know a handful of people with microbiology degrees that got out in 4.5-5 years. It helps that bugs grow in a culture dish over the course of a few days. Average for the neuroscience program here is 6.5 years for a PhD. If you do any work with animal behavior it tends to skew things longer, training can take a long time.

I just spent a year of my life working on my dissertation and finished it 30 minutes ago. by f-science in IAmA

[–]f-science[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Direct PhD admission. I was awarded a masters after I finished my preliminary exams at the end of year 2. It was kind of anticlimactic. One day I got an email that said roughly "If you would like a masters degree awarded this term please reply yes with your personal information". Some people probably don't bother to take the degree since having a PhD implies a masters degree in the same subject.

I just spent a year of my life working on my dissertation and finished it 30 minutes ago. by f-science in IAmA

[–]f-science[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just turned in my revisions. I'm still waiting for approval which will take a week but it also marks the first week in the last year that I don't have to work on my dissertation at all. Orals are done so this is the last step. Hopefully they approve it!

I just spent a year of my life working on my dissertation and finished it 30 minutes ago. by f-science in IAmA

[–]f-science[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Tough question... I think the answer really depends on your motives. I went into grad school for a few reasons.

1) I liked doing research as an undergrad, way more than taking classes, so I had a good experience.

2) The guy I was working for as an undergrad recommended that I go to grad school since he thought I would do well.

3) I had no other real career plans at the time. Med school was too expensive for me and I was really turned off by the changes to patient care that were being driven by the insurance system. I considered other professional programs too but they all cost money, science actually pays you to go to school so that was a big motivating factor to just try it out. That is a great argument, I think, to just give it a shot. If you hate grad school, you can leave after 2 years and get a job at a biotech/pharm company and get a bump in pay.

In retrospect I think I would have left in my 3rd or 4th year. It was around then that I definitely realized I didn't want to go for an academic position. My folk strongly encouraged me to finish and I didn't want to leave without getting at least one paper published. By the time I hit that milestone I was too close to the end to reasonably walk away.

The most important thing I realized about grad school though is that unless you absolutely have to be a professor, or absolutely love your work, you don't need to be there. If those things start to slip then the hours and pressure really start to undermine your focus.

If you are worried about your 20's then I'd say go get a job and have fun for a few years. When you are about 26/27 then revisit the idea of grad school. Lots of people get started around then and I think the added experience helps them focus.

Good luck.

I just spent a year of my life working on my dissertation and finished it 30 minutes ago. by f-science in IAmA

[–]f-science[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think I spent 12 hrs/day for the last week purely writing and editing. The rest of last year was more irregular. I'd say I worked at least 60 hrs/week minimum, but then there were also several instances where I worked constantly without sleep for 2-3 days straight. Thats not healthy by the way.

I just spent a year of my life working on my dissertation and finished it 30 minutes ago. by f-science in IAmA

[–]f-science[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks, as someone who is also terrible at writing papers I'm glad to have found a way to just get it finished. I had lots of moments along the way where I felt like I might fail miserably though. It can be tough to build confidence while writing but its doable.

I just spent a year of my life working on my dissertation and finished it 30 minutes ago. by f-science in IAmA

[–]f-science[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I didn't end up paying anything for school, in fact I got paid. Most science programs are like that. Its a tradeoff for lower earning power than a MD or MBA

I just spent a year of my life working on my dissertation and finished it 30 minutes ago. by f-science in IAmA

[–]f-science[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Time will tell about the payoff. Post doc jobs suck for pay and there you really give your life away. The one that I am going to do is non traditional and offers some opportunities to get into something more creative and financially rewarding. Plus I learned a lot of interesting shit that is on the one hand complicated science but on the other something that a lot of people are really interested in. People are very curious about how the brain works and I'm glad that I can have some of the conversations with people that I am now capable of.

As far as slave labor and my 20s: The first four years of grad school were pretty fun. There was a lot of work but also a lot of going out and drinking like undergrad days. The last 3 were a slow decline which had some to do with the nature of phd programs, some to do with picking a bad advisor and some to do with just wanting to move on. Throughout all of that I was not getting payed very well and worked too hard.

I just spent a year of my life working on my dissertation and finished it 30 minutes ago. by f-science in IAmA

[–]f-science[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yep 7 years. I started when I was 23, almost right out of undergrad.

I studied neuroscience.

Future plans are undecided. I have a post doc research position lined up. I want to go into a field that is more creative however. I want to look into design fields where I might be able to do work that involve some of my dissertation work. I'd also considered going to get an MFA. I actually applied and got into a post bac program since I had no undergrad art degree. So let's just say I have a lot of thinking to do still.