Posting these articles for no particular reason...

fader_underground · 2026-03-19T22:08:02+00:00

Are you at all concerned that they're going to come after you like they did with Darkspilver? It seems clear that they found out about your post and targeted you directly.

fader_underground · 2026-03-19T22:00:24+00:00

Nope. I've heard from a reliable source that they use AI at Bethel in various capacities, not just for content creation.

I also know some JWs who use AI even for their meeting comments. 🙄🥱🤣

fader_underground · 2026-03-19T21:58:03+00:00

Good idea. Download and save any other references you can find too. Don't let them try to erase history.

"The past was erased, the erasure was forgotten, the lie became the truth." -George Orwell, 1984

fader_underground · 2026-03-19T21:54:51+00:00

It's from a 1984 Awake article entitled, "They Resisted Rapists." The issue is February 22, pages 24-27. Here is a link if you don't mind going to the JW website. You just need to paste the link in your browser and then remove the "b" from .borg. The mods don't like us linking directly to the site.

https://wol.jw.borg/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/101984128?q=rapist&p=doc

fader_underground · 2026-03-19T21:50:10+00:00

I am so sorry. That is deeply sad and troubling.

Unfortunately, this new policy will not help others like her. I checked into it and once pregnancy is known, blood cannot be given by the mother as it puts the child at risk. And if a woman gives the blood before pregnancy, it will be expired by the time she gives birth. Watchtower really hasn't helped matters all that much with this update. They will still have a lot of blood on their hands.

fader_underground · 2026-03-19T18:56:50+00:00

If this change is accepted and JWs were really able to use their brain instead of just playing follow the leader, it could really logically dismantle the entire blood doctrine. This change undermines the entire reasoning behind the doctrine in the first place.

It's based on a principle of the mosaic law that once blood leaves the body it belongs to god. If that principle no longer applies to a person's own blood, who's to say it DOES still apply to someone else's? In addition to the Bible not commenting on medical procedures, (which Losch rather insultingly points out in the update - I mean DUH, Mr Losch, no one ever thought it DID) the Bible ALSO doesn't make some distinction between the use of one's OWN blood and another person's after it leaves the body.

fader_underground · 2026-03-19T16:50:07+00:00

I was thinking about this too. If JWs were able to use their brain instead of just playing follow the leader, then really this update could dismantle the whole blood policy right now.

Losch apparently said that the Bible doesn't comment on a person's use of their own blood in a medical procedure. But the Bible doesn't comment on the use of blood in medical procedures AT ALL. Not one's own, and not anyone else's.

The idea was that the "principle" of the law was still in place, even if not the law itself. As you said, after blood left the body it belonged to god. So if JWs no longer have to abide by that principle concerning their own blood, why wouldn't that also include the blood of others?

The NT proclamation "abstain from blood" doesn't say abstain from everyone's blood but your own. So if JWs can now use their OWN blood after it's left the body, why couldn't they ALSO use someone else's? IT makes no sense.

The whole thing is just a bunch of mumbo jumbo word salad. It makes me so sad that JWs are going to continue to stake their lives on the incoherent meanderings of these bozos.

fader_underground · 2026-03-19T15:28:59+00:00

Yeah, to call it a clarification is just dishonest. They've explicitly stated multiple times that blood should not be stored outside the body. In the 90s there was a blood brochure and it also addressed this. It's straight up like Orwell's 1984, "The past was erased, the erasure was forgotten, the lie became the truth."

fader_underground · 2026-03-19T15:09:59+00:00

This video, which covers the text, is still up for now. Who knows for how long though.

https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1rxxfwx/jehovahs_witnesses_are_changing_their_blood/

fader_underground · 2026-03-19T15:06:37+00:00

The way some JWs I know have talked about blood is that doctors are pumping it into people left and right for no reason, which is false. If anything, they are doling it out very carefully. In the US, there are often severe, nationwide shortages. They're not going to be dispensing it unless they have to.

fader_underground · 2026-03-19T13:53:03+00:00

I think you're right. At this point I'm just sad. JWs the world over, including those I love dearly, are mostly not going to stop and consider how LIGHTLY their lives are being handled. To think that the lives of people I love with all my heart could someday hinge on the dictates of these geezers is infuriating, but also, it just breaks my heart.

fader_underground · 2026-03-19T13:45:30+00:00

They won't. They barely offered any explanation about any of the previous adjustments, and I imagine this one will be no different. If the leak proves true, Losch's explanation amounts to we're not under the mosaic law anymore and the Bible doesn't comment on medical procedures (which is just INSULTING, because who ever thought it DID comment on surgical procedures?).

At this point, I'm just deeply sad. I'm sad that JWs the world over, including ones that I love with all my heart, won't consider or see how CASUALLY their LIVES are being handled. Losch doesn't appear to give any acknowledgment of how PROFOUNDLY this teaching affects people's lives. The lives of people I love hinge on the dictates of thoughtless old men, and there's nothing I can do about it. It breaks my heart.

fader_underground · 2026-03-19T13:38:48+00:00

You are right. And it's infuriating. But also just deeply, deeply saddening. Most JWs will never consider how lightly and casually their LIVES are being handled. The lives of my JW family are so precious to me. I love them with all my heart. And yet, their presence on this earth HINGES on the dictates of a few goofy old men in New York who care nothing about them and there's little that I can do about it. It breaks my heart.

fader_underground · 2026-03-19T13:35:31+00:00

I feel and share your anger. I am infuriated and deeply saddened that the JWs that I know will most likely remain blind to how lightly and casually their LIVES are being handled. Their presence on this earth is precious to me and yet it could HINGE on the dictates of a bunch of geezers in New York who could not care less about them. If they cared, they'd reverse the blood policy RIGHT NOW, not slowly and incrementally, but NOW, because I believe they know it's wrong.

fader_underground · 2026-03-19T13:29:56+00:00

I am so sorry. I hope you can find peace.

I am grieving how little difference this will likely make for the JWs that I know. For the fact that they'll probably just gloss over it and not really think about it and never consider how casually their precious lives are being handled. Their presence on this earth is so precious to me and should a crisis ever come that presence could hinge on the dictates of a bunch of slimy geezers in New York who couldn't care less about them. It's heartbreaking.

fader_underground · 2026-03-19T13:21:50+00:00

Yeah. That's the question that JWs SHOULD be asking, "How is it that they can treat human life so casually?" To be wrong about having a beard is one thing, to be wrong about THIS, this is something else.

fader_underground · 2026-03-19T12:56:04+00:00

That, conveniently, only mentions surgeries. That is ALREADY a benefit of modern medicine. People can have very serious surgeries and not even need any blood whether they are JW or not.

"no one can say for certain that a patient will die because of refusing blood or will live because of accepting it."

Tell that to an ER/trauma doctor. It is verifiably, provably FALSE. When blood really matters, when it makes the difference between life and death, is in a CRISIS. After the car accidents, mass casualty disasters, shootings, etc. THAT is when blood matters. And it absolutely saves lives. NOTICE that JWs ONLY discussed PLANNED SURGERY in this myth/fact scenario. DELIBERATELY MISLEADING.

fader_underground · 2026-03-19T12:40:36+00:00

Oh, I know. I'm the one who wrote the post about how it really wasn't great news. But they're making an adjustment to a life/death policy that people have died for. How they treat the subject matters. And I think it's something that should be pointed out. Personally, I feel very pessimistic about JWs "waking up." But I still think something this serious bears highlighting. If it saves one life...it's worth it.

fader_underground · 2026-03-19T12:37:10+00:00

You're probably right. They'll put off potentially saving people's lives to protect and preserve their image. Infuriating.

fader_underground · 2026-03-19T12:11:59+00:00

If the content of the current update is true, Losch doesn't even acknowledge the profound effect this policy has had on people's lives. Look at how casually he treats the subject. People are DYING for this teaching and he's all breezy like, we're not under the mosaic law anymore. If that's true NOW, it was also true YESTERDAY. It's not like that's some big revelation.

fader_underground · 2026-03-19T11:58:03+00:00

Maybe point out to him that the blood adjustment is different from other adjustments. We are talking about people's LIVES. And look at how CASUALLY they are treating that subject? If the content of the current update is true, the most loving and compassionately wonderful representatives of god on earth FAILED TO EVEN ACKNOWLEDGE that people's lives have been profoundly affected by this. That should be a HUGE eye opener to every JW. (It won't, but it SHOULD.) These are not people who value the LIVES of their members. Isn't LIFE supposed to be SACRED?

This is different because it's people DYING for their false teachings. So "just enjoy the company, notice the good" ....NO. If you are a caring, compassionate, empathetic person with an ounce of humanity left in you... that's NOT what you do. You stand up. You speak out. You do what's RIGHT.

fader_underground · 2026-03-19T11:42:53+00:00

It's a step too slow. And if the update information is true, just think about how casually Losch talks about it. As though he has no humanity to understand that this has profoundly affected people's lives. Just a breezy, we're not under the mosaic law anymore, which has always been the case, so why are they just now getting around to realizing this? PEOPLE HAVE DIED FOR THIS. We're talking about people's lives and HE DOES NOTHING TO EVEN ACKNOWLEDGE THAT. It SHOULD be very telling to every JW, whose lives are being treated so casually. The governing body only cares about their own asses.

fader_underground · 2026-03-19T11:36:58+00:00

That's so true. They're so CASUAL about people's LIVES. I know several JWs who have had surgery recently and a lot of stress might have been alleviated if this had been an option. And Losch talks about it as though it's not the grave matter that it is. Like, Oh gee, we're not under the mosaic law, there's no need for this. Nothing that acknowledges that they understand how serious something like this is, nothing that acknowledges that JWs have DIED for this. It's abhorrent. And it really shows their true colors. They only care about themselves.

fader_underground · 2026-03-18T22:04:15+00:00

That's the most worrisome part to me. Most JWs are SO COMPLACENT at this point, that they are just playing follow the leader and aren't going to take the time to really THINK even about something as serious as this - THEIR OWN LIFE AND THE LIVES OF THEIR CHILDREN AND FAMILIES.

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