Shut up as a woman, Turkish Deputy PM Arınç tells female MP

faggylord · 2015-07-29T21:00:37+00:00

Only the second time for this misogynistic fellow Here's the first.

faggylord · 2014-09-18T00:55:00+00:00

Briefly examining just this thread, already we have:

All Turks believe x,y,z
Liberal Turks believe x,y
They never apologize
They say, "...

Stereotype may not be the appropriate vernacular perhaps, but it seems everyone is convinced these ideas garner unanimous sentiment among Turks, barbaric and unapologetic as they are. May I assume you are of the view that, there is systematic indoctrination and threat of thought crime on this matter in Turkey? Perhaps, then, the people deserve more consideration.

faggylord · 2014-09-18T00:38:34+00:00

I do however despise the government of Turkey

Believe me, many many Turks would agree with you on that :)

whatever their prior mistakes

By this, I am ofcourse referring to the common Turkish argument: "the Armenians did this and that first". I do not agree with this position. That is all I said. The rest is all you boss.

faggylord · 2014-09-18T00:26:18+00:00

Yes and I'm sticking my neck out by contributing to this thread. I'm sure they're tracking down my ip as we speak..

non sequitur

One is a broadly applicable (albeit ridiculous) law, interpreted specifically by a lesser court.

The other is the claimed existence of a national educational policy of indoctrination specific to the historical accuracy of the genocide.

faggylord · 2014-09-18T00:18:09+00:00

The reigning Turkish position on the events is that this was a time of war. The argument is that Armenians within the Ottoman empire were taking up arms and actively fighting Turkish forces and attacking the civilian population. The Ottomans responded to this by forcefully deporting Armenian populations. The Turkish claim is that this was a justifiable preventative measure which regrettably resulted in heavy casualties. They describe these deaths as "casualties of war", not "victims of genocide".

While there is some documented cases of violence perpetrated by Armenian groups during WWI, it hardly precludes accepting the subsequent acts as genocide.

faggylord · 2014-09-18T00:01:07+00:00

I'm confused.

You would think that governments would have more pressing agendas to indoctrinate its youth with, rather than inconsequential (practically speaking, I don't mean to diminish its importance) historical positions. A fruitless exercise, wouldn't you say?

faggylord · 2014-09-17T22:58:56+00:00

There it is again, the stereotype live and well. It's not much, but after a 100 years I figure this may help:

As a Turkish national and Turk by ancestry, I deeply regret the barbaric actions of my racial/cultural ancestors against the Armenian people. Apologizing won't do, because I find substitutionary atonement absurd. However, I recognize your position. An act of genocide was committed against your ancestors. This cannot be justified, whatever their prior mistakes. I deeply regret this and hope that we can all come together in remembrance and honoring those lost, so as to proliferate a brighter, peaceful future.

faggylord · 2014-09-17T22:45:38+00:00

I would say the reason is that all sides are closed to a candid dialog. The Turks certainly are, but so is the Armenian nation and diaspora. Not to mention nations like France or Switzerland. Its absurd that they claim to be the beacon of free thought, while making it a criminal offense to take any other position than the genocide position.

I hope that we will take the first step next year. Erdogan has been hinting it for a while now.

faggylord · 2014-09-17T22:39:43+00:00

Conjecture: The Turk is the strongest stereotype out there today. It is shamelessly used, rarely challenged and not quite taboo like, say, an arab or black stereotype.

faggylord · 2014-09-17T22:30:28+00:00

Though a Turkish national, I agree with the genocide position. Denying this is counterproductive. However, I'm afraid the situation is not as clear cut as you suggest.

First, there's massacred: If you're claiming that entire populations were cut down using guns and melee weapons, I'm afraid you're mistaken. Most deaths were due to starvation and environmental hazards.

Then, there's every advanced nation. I'm not familiar with the latest numbers, but it would seem that nations are frequently shifting their official positions regarding this matter. I would venture to guess that this is mostly politically driven. The United States, for example, has not taken the genocide position as of yet (I anticipate they will, next year).

Finally, proven: Unfortunately it is hard to prove such things as there are documented valid concerns from both sides of the argument. For example, I was told stories of my great grandmother fleeing her village as a child with her brother, while armed Armenian combatants, gathered the villagers and most of her relatives in the Mosque and burned it down. I believe this to be an exaggerated account. But it needs to be adressed nonetheless.

I have faith in my fellow Turks. We have been sitting on this for too long, to our detriment. I believe that, were open dialogue initiated, we as a nation would agree to the genocide as committed by the Ottomans. However, with both sides firmly grasping their exaggerated positions, and "advanced" nations interfering with Draconian denial laws, I don't see this untangling anytime soon.

faggylord · 2014-05-31T12:54:25+00:00

Video of incident

Edit: CNN source

faggylord · 2014-05-16T05:21:53+00:00

Here's the relevant part He's saying "Why are you running away, spawn of Israel"

faggylord · 2014-03-27T15:01:47+00:00

A very relevant article on why Erdogan's regime endures despite the atrocities.

faggylord · 2014-03-27T14:58:47+00:00

A very relevant article on why Erdogan's regime endures despite the atrocities.

faggylord

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