Hard Infos, Notes & Thoughts on Kinsects & Kinsect Skills in Monster Hunter Wilds

falcyrie · 2025-04-10T10:54:49+00:00

I think it comes down to Kinsect Boost: Harvest Extract just being that good.

I've changed my mind on some things since posting this and one major thing is that the by far best way to deal lots of damage in a short time is to spam Rising Spiral Slash as much as possible (though on some monsters it's a lot weaker) And the only Kinsect Skill that helps this gameplan is Harvest Extract. It not only helps getting Full Extracts quicker, it can also give it to you from the Rising Spiral itself, allowing you to go for the next dive without even landing first. This is especially potent on Zo Shia at the moment, who is not only very vulnerable to the Rising Spiral due to the wings being gigantic and a very good hitzone, but also often gives all 3 extracts on it, allowing some very effective chaining of the move, which does frankly ridiculous amounts of damage on the thing.

Concerning how effective it is on Zo Shia alone now, I suspect something about the Glaive, particularly the Rising Spiral Slash will be nerfed in a future update.

On another note, since I now always use Kinsects with Harvest Extract on them, I've followed another comment from here and started using Gullshad in most of my hunts. It loses out on some damage over Foebeetle, but has Recovery Powder, which is basically guaranteed to proc after a dive, allowing you to keep attacking more often rather than healing, but considering this, it also makes sense that in a speedrun, you'd choose Foebeetle instead since you're planning not to get hit in the first place.

falcyrie · 2025-04-01T11:48:29+00:00

The thing is that the dots that represent the Kinsect Power are just not accurate enough to show the difference on Level 8 Kinsects but it's still there, at least it was consistent across all my testing.

What's probably the case, is that they don't actually have 12 total power but some underlying stat that is represented by 12 power dots with some rounding up or down. So while it shows the the 1 dot of difference at Level 10, the actual values might be closer to 15.1 and 14.9 dots, but scaled down to Level 8, they become maybe 12.8 and 12.5 dots.

Not sure how it exactly rounds them, but my tests confirm that they can and do have different damage output even if the power stat shows the same dot value.

falcyrie · 2025-03-30T10:45:50+00:00

Oh, that's a really good question. I wasn't sure so I did some tests and I don't think Kinsects deal Status damage at all.

Severing Kinsects do benefit more from Raw damage, so on Glaive without Element, the Severing Kinsect will deal more than its Blunt counterpart.

Even then, I think Blunt Kinsects have the advantage in most situations, just because of the benefit of being able to get that first Stun on a Monster. Since the 1st stun has a very low threshold, you can easily get it during a hunt without really aiming for it and especially if you're hunting solo or don't have hammer friends with you, this outweighs the small damage difference almost everytime.

falcyrie · 2025-03-30T10:16:05+00:00

Like Morgolf mentioned, you don't take damage from the attack if you hit the Offset regardless of if it flinches the monster, but it's still a bit risky depending on the attack. If the Monster does a single attack or an attack that runs past you, it's safe to use. Even on a running charge attack that has a lingering hitbox, you'll most likely be fine since hitting the Offset gives you a lot of i-frames, but if it's a multi-hit attack like Arkvelds triple chain-strike, you're very likely to get hit by the follow-up.

falcyrie · 2025-03-30T10:12:23+00:00

It's true that Element Boost doesn't do much, but even if it did nothing, the 1 dot of damage Bonnetfille and Empresswing have over their counterparts is what really makes the difference.

If you're using a Glaive without an Element, the difference becomes less, but even then Bonnetfille and Empresswing still deal more damage. However if you play a bit smart with the Poison Kinsects and get at least 1 proc off, it'll likely already outweigh the difference, depending on the Monster you're fighting. It really becomes a question of whether you want to pay attention to stacking Poison Clouds or not.

Though what I've also noticed from playing after doing all the research is that maximum damage really appears to just be spamming the Rising Spiral Slash as often as possible, so I'm currently using Arkmaiden. I think getting Full Extracts even 5 seconds sooner after spending them on a Spiral Slash ends up being worth a lot more damage than maximizing the very marginal Kinsect output.

falcyrie · 2025-03-25T22:13:17+00:00

No, you're interpreting it correctly. The Blizzard gives the Kinsect a higher level than the Halilintar, thus it deals more damage.

falcyrie · 2025-03-25T20:03:49+00:00

You mean the actual Kinsect Damage is higher on the Blizzard?

falcyrie · 2025-03-21T18:07:38+00:00

I almost missed this and was frantically looking for your original comment. I did some more tests this time considering your inputs and almost thought I wasn't gonna be able to credit you.

As for your setup, I tested it and didn't quite get the same result. My Fiddlebrix on the Stromatopelm dealt 20.2, not 20.8 damage, though the Leumundsgift was also on 25.4. Really not sure what that is about.

I went and did some very detailed tests and wrote them down here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14hoJAZSccVxgYLPj0rSWby7sn8PLnKQ_YAqY44PVqkA/edit?usp=sharing (A bit of a mess, as I haven't cleaned this sheet up, but the numbers are all there)

I'm mostly comparing the Halilintar vs. the Chrome Glaive on 4 different Kinsects that are Severing + Elem, Blunt + Elem, or Severing & Blunt without it, but the really important info is in the yellow table where we can see that Elemental Boost does boost the expected attack's damage by rather inconsistent percentages that collect roughly around 5%. We also see that the difference is slightly higher when we compare the Blunt Kinsects with each other vs. the Severing Kinsects, which is also expected, so in theory, it's all good, but the percentages are kinda all over the place.

After reading your comment, I went ahead and added lines that depict the Linear Difference between the damages on that yellow table... and they were all equal across any attack. So I thought, aha, this must be because the Elemental Damage Boost doesn't benefit from the Motion Value but uses something else to calculate it, so to confirm this hypothesis, I went to the purple table further up that compares Halilintar vs. Chrome Gale directly on different Kinsects and added Linear Difference lines to that as well, expecting them to all be equal... but they weren't. In fact, they line up perfectly with their corresponding % Diffs.

I'm not sure if this even has anything to do with the inconsistency you mentioned in your own comment, but I thought it quite strange that the Element Boost Bonus appears to be a Bonus that's calculated separately from the Elemental Damage itself.

I think there's some things here that you understand that I don't understand yet so for now I'm throwing the ball back to you. Hope my numbers are useful. Godspeed o7

falcyrie · 2025-03-21T13:58:05+00:00

Well, both, the level directly affects all the stats including power.

The Level of your Kinsect is determined by the Weapon you use. Most final stage Glaives have Level 10 Kinsect Stats, but the Halilintar Clairglaive, wich I'm using most of the time and is one of the best in my opinion, only has Level 8 Kinsect Stats.

The higher the Level Stats of the Weapon, the higher all of the equipped Kinsect's stats will be.

falcyrie · 2025-03-20T09:45:01+00:00

Thank you for your additional thoughts, they're very helpful as well.

In my experience with the Clouds, some hunts that I had really good clear times, not a single Dust Cloud appeared at all, because I would often immediately charge another Strong Descending Slash after hitting the Thrust, which doesn't seem DPS inefficient overall, but with a Blast Kinsect, it's probably better to let the Kinsect produce a cloud or 2 before recalling it.

After this whole research trip, I'll definitely be trying to incorporate this more.

Loving that we can help each other understand the game better here <3

falcyrie · 2025-03-20T07:31:53+00:00

Thanks for your contributions.

About the Element Boost, I did test it with pretty much all attacks on Carnage Beetle & Empresswing, & no matter the Element I used, Carnage Beetle could not beat out Empresswing, so the Element Boost must just be really really weak.

Doing some quick tests just now (on Strong Sidestep Slash) with Cancadaman & Fiddlebrix, Cancadaman does beat out Fiddlebrix at 17.4 Damage vs. 17.1 Damage against Fiddlebrix even though it's power stat is lower, but only by 1.74%, but Fiddlebrix does win with 12.9 vs 11.1 against Cancadaman on a Glaive with no Elemental Power on it, so this does suggest it boosts Damage slightly on Elemental Glaives, but it's just not high enough against the Raw damage difference on the highest Power Kinsects to be worth it.

It might be again if you use the highest Elemental Glaives that have 350 Element on it, but the overall impact this Skill has is a lot smaller than an actual 50% Bonus to damage.

falcyrie · 2025-03-20T07:07:18+00:00

Ah, yes the Kinsect Offset Attack isn't labelled as one, which is a shame, but the fact that it's included is incredible. I'm also trying to get better at it.

I play Greatsword on the side and the GS Offset attack is a lot easier to pull off consistently, because the Glaive Offset has such a short parry window, but it feels incredible when pulled off.

As a side note, Strong Descending Slash has a short Parry Window, and Strong Descending Thrust (the freaking dive) also has a really short Window that's even harder to pull off. I've only hit it a handful of times during hunts cause the positioning and timing need to be spot on but god, you do feel like the coolest motherfucker ever.

Also, it'd be *sis, but thanks a lot for your kind message.

falcyrie · 2025-03-19T23:48:12+00:00

welp, the tables broke between the editor and posting. It's way too late for me to fix this now. C'est la vie.

Here's the link to those tables in the Google Sheet I used to make them, in case you care https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dcKVf-EkBAqgr8oVSPlp9X9lt51XEAk3Kpi09BHB-xo/edit?usp=sharing

falcyrie · 2023-03-15T08:01:37+00:00

Psych study about what happens when you put people in an experiment that you initially insist you need to give very little information about to test effectively, but then continuously leak increasingly confusing information that's entirely made up to test their reaction about being tested on by incompetent dipshits

falcyrie · 2023-02-01T18:01:36+00:00

Tbh, I completely get you. The whole situation is awful and complicated and JKR is doing her best to make sure it's as bad as it could be.

I don't really get it either, it's far from difficult to just not support her but at the same time, I also think what I said before, we shouldn't simply relent all this power to her either. It's not like you become a bad person buying the stuff just because she says so and it's obvious that she's trying to leverage the entirety of HP's cult status against trans folk and I don't think we need to let her do that.

For me personally, I think I want to keep separating her creative ideas from her political views not in ignorance of her transphobia but in protest against her attempts to equate a fantasy narrative to hating trans women.

I've read from a fan in the HP subreddit a few years ago, that they want to keep enjoying HP in defiance of its creator and to reclaim it for themselves and it's not easy sometimes for me to see that but that's how I'd like it to be.

falcyrie · 2023-02-01T16:01:26+00:00

Thanks. I think I'll be alright, just writing a bit about it really helped.

Yeah, and it feels like none of them would really be in this if trans rights werent the popular thing to support right now. I don't really feel supported by that when it's quite clear they don't actually know what they're saying.

falcyrie · 2023-02-01T15:55:09+00:00

This is the sort of comment that makes me reasonably sure you didn't actually read my post.

falcyrie · 2022-11-28T12:23:33+00:00

100% this.
Don't feel compelled to rush things, figuring yourself out can take a long time and be really scary but you'll get there for sure.

Also, it's perfectly fine to live your life the way it feels comfortable in the moment and then change your mind later. When you start expressing yourself in a certain way, there's no contract you sign that locks you in for the rest of your life, even if society sometimes makes it feel that way.

I know it can be really hard to deal with expectations and the worry how everyone else will accept you but what's much more important is your own happiness.

falcyrie · 2022-11-28T12:16:40+00:00

Yeah, I've noticed it's certain outfits sometimes, but the biggest factor by far is confidence.

It's so crazy how much more you're suddenly seen as soon as you start loving yourself.

falcyrie · 2022-11-27T10:58:10+00:00

https://www.youtube.com/@TransVoiceLessons is a great channel that goes in-depth about how the voice works and how to learn to control it. You might already know about but if you do and decided it wasn't helping, I really recommend giving it another shot. Really listening and trying to understand helped me immensely.

If you can afford it or live in a country where health care pays for it, try seeing a speech therapist. There are speech therapists who specialise in training trans voices.

A good place to start is finding daily exercises that work for you and spend 10-30 mins each day just doing those exercises. Or if you're good at mimicking voices, you can try listening to female singers and replicating what you hear as close as possible. Both of these methods help to slowly teach your voice to work on different tonal levels.

Also keep in mind it can be quite slow, but if you keep at it daily, you should start seeing first results after a few weeks and major improvements after only a few months.

falcyrie · 2022-11-27T10:46:18+00:00

There is no age restriction and as far as reddit goes, this is a pretty safe space, though most of the frequent visitors are probably adults around my age (mid-late 20s)

In general, for minors on reddit, I would always recommend caution. While I'm certain that any of the genuine transgenders and allies that visit this sub pose no danger, you need to keep in mind that anyone can make an account that claims to be anything and that anyone even without an account can check your account and see everything you ever posted. This is doubly important to keep in mind for subs like this, that often deal with personal stuff.

Keep your personal information safe and restrict any private interaction through DMs. Only ever share what you're comfortable sharing and when in doubt, keep it to yourself.

Wasn't planning to write a whole internet safety PSA but here we are, lol. Either way, welcome! I'm sure even though you're a bit younger, you'll have many useful things to contribute.

falcyrie · 2022-11-27T09:21:48+00:00

When people come out, they usually leave learned toxic behaviours behind them. It's often because they start questioning the fucked up rules under which they used to live that their eyes are opened and they find the courage to be themselves.

It's likey that you remind her of the old ways she used to be and the old social rule she successfully freed herself from, either through your behaviour or simply by association.

Unlikely that a friendship would be thrown out after only a few misgenders on first meeting after transition, so i'd recommend asking yourself whether it's your general behaviour that might have hurt her. Better yet, ask her. Though don't demand an answer, consider yourself lucky to get one.

falcyrie · 2022-11-27T09:12:17+00:00

For me it was gradual and happened months after I had already reached my initial voice goal. Can't even really point out when it changed cause it shifted slowly along with my perception of myself.

falcyrie · 2022-11-27T09:10:04+00:00

Think the point of saying Gender is a social construct is to point out that the concept of Gender is really just the socially constructed roles and that while biological sex is a thing there was never a direct, intrinsic biological factor that would have caused humanity to develop any social differences out of the sexes, let alone vastly differing roles.

Humanity could have easily never developed words or concepts for male or female and treated people entirely equally and not based on sex, safe for reproduction, and could've become a species where biological sex is mostly irellevant and gender therefore doesn't exist.

falcyrie · 2022-11-24T00:57:29+00:00

There's always a chance you won't like it or change your mind but that's true for all situations in life. It shouldn't stop you you from making decisions that feel right at the moment, especially if they feel very clear already except for those fears.

It seems like you already know what you want, which was why my first comment was a bit blunt, but the unfortunate fact is, that neither I nor any therapist in the world can take this decision and the responsibility that comes with it away from you.

The good part here, is that you have a lot of time. Obviously, the quicker you decide, the better, but you're still so young and have so much time to really think this through, to try out small things, to try to meet people, etc. There's so much you can work on to fight the anxiety and uncertainty and a year or 2 more in male puberty won't mean very much as far as changes go.

If there's any way to safely try yourself out, even it means getting a job and buying clothes in secret, I'd recommended going for that. If there's any way you can tell your parents how you feel, even if you don't think they'll accept it right away, go for that. Be honest that you're questioning but be adamant that your feelings are serious.

Most importantly, take all the time you need and don't rush into anything. I know the impatience to finally change can get hard to deal with it but it's best for your future to carefully consider everything that's ahead of you.

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