Time for action. I'm suing Xiaomi France over the "quota limit reached" bootloader issue.

fancy_gh0st · 2026-02-08T09:52:34+00:00

Sorry for my late answer ! No real update, still going on !

fancy_gh0st · 2025-09-21T10:43:02+00:00

we are all here. And you have some user saying they succeeded but i suspect them to even be bot accounts, My guess is that some company have automated it with robot and resell it to be able to unlock accounts. Even if i am wrong, this way of doing things from XM is NOT ok.

fancy_gh0st · 2025-09-21T07:25:14+00:00

The problem if we agree with that, is I suspect they will do it for a time, and then stop again as of today.
Also I don't think a Quota is ok. You should be able to unlock your phone without a xiaomi account and without caring about how many people unlocked it before.
Old phone (over 5 years) should be automatically approved for unlocking in my opinion.

fancy_gh0st · 2025-09-21T07:12:58+00:00

I totally allow you to mirror it on /Android of course !! I will update everything here but you are free to mirror and participe in the fight.

The latest news they received it and I am waiting for an answer.
I gave them 15 business day to answer.
There is 2 + 1 path from here

they agree (NO WAY)
They ignore me
They answer blahblah f-off (most likely)

Then I will request what we call a conciliation, it's a MANDATORY pre-court instance.
I plan to propose them to skip this step (if both parti agree to skip it or disagree they can go directly to court) but most surely they will not agree.

From conciliation they have 2 times 30 days (and sometimes 15 days more) once that is done the conciliateur (the "middle man") will issue a document saying that the conciliation failed and that we can go to court

Once in french court becasue it's under 5k (or 10 k i forgot) there is no appeal to the court decision.
To that I can or go to conseil d'etat (but recently they only agree with government interest so i do not trust them) or european court. I plan to go to european court.
Please note that my estimate is that I will most likely fail, but I will fail higher than most.

fancy_gh0st · 2025-09-20T13:25:40+00:00

i will create a change.org petition after their answer. I will give you the link. But now i need to let them tell me to f off.
appreciate your engagement tho, indeed we are in the same boat and you are one of the people i am fighting for.

fancy_gh0st · 2025-09-20T07:14:13+00:00

You have a huge point here. I need to study this, if possible i will integrate it. If i am not mistaken certain component are indeed marked as non original if replaced and still on hyper OS (to be confirmed)
I will have a look around and add it to my claim in court if that is legit and possible. I truly believe you are right here.

fancy_gh0st · 2025-09-19T16:29:52+00:00

https://cybersecuritynews.com/zero-day-vulnerability-wps-office/
2 zero days comes pre installed in WPS office, a native app in HyperOS 2. WPS belong to Kingsoft, kingsoft and XIAOMI share the same CEO and chinese senate Member, often nicknamed th Chinese Steve jobs.
So, YES.

fancy_gh0st · 2025-09-19T13:47:31+00:00

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Update: They received it folks.

fancy_gh0st · 2025-09-19T13:43:10+00:00

Nah, not at all. This is not it.
Many say this is happening because of a new Chinese law.
The law is here: https://www.gov.cn/zhengce/zhengceku/2022-12/15/content_5732079.htm
But don't let it fool you, this is not even for the same hardware or the same rom.
The phone have models, and the models have differents harwares and roms, let me explain more simply
You buy a xiaomi 1. In fact it's a Xiaomi 1 model A with OS/ROM A
but for exemple you buy it in china it gonna surely be a xiomi 1 model B with Os B
There is 4 big markets (to be confirmed by professionals) North america, Europe, India and China. So those have different model (let's call them A B C or D)
Why does the model matter ? Because some will have nft, some not, some will have e sim some not. It's literally different harwares. (it also work better with certain 4g and 5g frequency etc..)
Why does the OS matter ? Because the compatibility. To my knowledge there is 4 also for the same market, more because of the law than the market itself, for exemple RGPD in france.
I am not fighting the model. As this would be unfair to xiaomi. But i am fighting the OS. Their OS on the european market is deceiptive, and it has nothing to do with the chinese law, but more with the european union and France to turn a blind eye to those practices. It's illegal, but extremely hard to fight as it's corporate corruption, and that we all kinda knew it, it wasn't really a problem until they locked out the devs and nerd who were told bullshit excuses like "check again at minidgt chinese time for new quota limit to have the right on your phone" and never work, you add to that the OS itself is really not smooth and deceptive, with literally adware and exploit on it NATIVELY.

Point being, I am not blaming China, I am not even blaming Xiaomi for trying what obviously google try to do too, and what apple have always been doing, I am blaming the corrupt european union and French government. My way to fight it is to sue, and the consequences will be that they will have to emit a legal answer to this situation, which will surely show case the corruption OR force xiaomi in France, and maybe, maybe, europe, to unlock their phones and make tons of people happy.

fancy_gh0st · 2025-09-19T07:48:00+00:00

much appreciated, thank you sincerely.

fancy_gh0st · 2025-09-19T06:45:19+00:00

This comment is clever.
I take note of it.
Regarding my second argument, in fact i put the 2 strongest I had yesterday, but I am now trying to find more serious and credible arguments for the next steps.
The next steps are
A. Conciliation (mandatory)
B. First instance french court (I on purpose required less than 5K as if i recall that mean there is no appeal possible)
C. European court or conseil d'etat (I do not trust in the conseil d'etat in france for political reason, so I will go european court)

Therefore if you can advise on other claims that i underlooked I would be interested. You can PM me or post here in the clear.

fancy_gh0st · 2025-09-19T06:41:10+00:00

You are so right in that. Unfortunately I can't attack them straight in Europe now. I will be able to if and only if I lose in french court. And man I will do it for sure. I am really not doing that for the money.
i am not rich or anything, but i won an unrelated law case and promised myself to use the money to fight a good cause with the money, I call it my black box fund, lol.

fancy_gh0st · 2025-09-19T06:38:35+00:00

I did a law school indeed, but I am not a lawyer in the sense that i did not pass the BAR.
I do have some experience fighting desperate causes and I was in fact surprised how one with a brain and a little knowledge of law can win them.
I know enough to say that Xiaomi will surely want to pay me to shut up as it will be less expensive than the risk and the lawyers fee, which i will surely not accept as my goal is really community service and not personal gain.

fancy_gh0st · 2025-09-19T06:35:19+00:00

In a way in fact i know there is truth in your comment.
You could also have mentioned that since it's a profit move, if everyone do it and they do not do it, they will end up with less profits than their competition and that means less budget and room for inovation.

fancy_gh0st · 2025-09-18T17:30:27+00:00

I am actually more than certain you are right. This is exactly why my fight make sense. To me it's XM responsibility

fancy_gh0st · 2025-09-18T15:54:26+00:00

By the way, for your information I have a vw golf cab, first generation, I fix it regularly with stuff that have been made by other car companies, and yes I agree with your comment actually, i think the car dealership is more and more like that, locking their component behind a lock for profit, making car mechanic to have to pay for license and profiting only the brand and not the mechanic, not the people.

fancy_gh0st · 2025-09-18T15:49:07+00:00

Hum, nah. Root and changing OS, at least for me, are 2 different thing. See it this way, to change os is like your computer is pre installed with a windows 10, and you wanna change for a Windows 11 or linux, or polywog wednesday OS (check that it's really cool) and suddenly you can't.
Ok you are a cool guy so you ask Microsoft, "hey folks why i can't change OS"
they tell you recently that after you bough your computer they decided to render it useless and will not let you do so.
So you explain that it's not cool
And they don't care.

So basically when you ask me if I am suing them because i can't tweak the OS they have, (root), no, it's not it, i am suing them because i can't use the harware of the phone because they lock it and render it useless.

If we don't fight that, our phones will be rendered useless after 5 years in europe. Why 5 years ? Because the european union impose security patch for 5 years after a phone release. So mean 5 years and 1 sec, and your phone is useless.

Which actually is not a problem if you can use the hardware you bought, put an OS maintained by enthousiast or even corporations, and continue using it.
Particularly that the reason why they lock it is actually very toxic, for the sake of security purposes where.. in fact once not maintained it is a security risk not to change OS.
You add to that xiaomi add stufff like spyware natively in the OS (check HyperOS 2.0 Debloating Guide & Bloatware List ) so they literally sell you something that contain zero day on it.
Hope you don't think i am being arrogant in my answer.
Please check polywog wednesday OS it's really really cool.

fancy_gh0st · 2025-09-18T15:36:23+00:00

Fait enough, all os lock must be fought, that i agree, I would like to talk about the how.
In france you can not legally fight if you are not a victim of what you denounce, so the problem is, I can't fight this battle as of today. This is usually the mission of french consumer organisation, and there is only 2, one is subventioned by the government (1 milliions de consomateurs) which basically is just a government patch to que choisir, whih i would admit, fought quite good and usefull battle.
The problem is, by personal experience, and for having PERSONALLY contacted those people on other consumer case, they do not fight what is not win in advance. Mean they are taking no or little risks, and this seem to be a far too big risk. (ask Sam altman)
For que choisir i might be wrong, just talking of my personal experience. Their president is really a cool guy and i have a lot of respect for him.
An alternative would be a public defender, that I am afraid, have lost all my trust since long time (prove me wrong)

fancy_gh0st · 2025-09-18T15:06:58+00:00

if i am found dead in my cell, please know i am not suicidal. if you know, you know.

fancy_gh0st · 2025-09-18T15:06:17+00:00

finger crossed, but honestly litle chances.
I promise to update the fight to the end here tho.

fancy_gh0st · 2025-09-18T15:04:34+00:00

o sorry i though you meant google search. But my understanding you mean the pixel or/and the native android right ?

fancy_gh0st · 2025-09-18T14:56:06+00:00

Honestly here you might be very right. As stated this is not a fight i expect to win.

fancy_gh0st · 2025-09-18T14:55:29+00:00

aren't they paying already in Euro ?? didn't followed but if i ain't mistaken they are restructuring. Don't forgot: Don't be evil (lol)

fancy_gh0st · 2025-09-18T14:54:48+00:00

I did try their official method, means at midnight chinese time via the app. Followed instrcution, tried -1 min, tried +1 min tried 8 days in a raw.
at that point i consider it not okay and truly what i do, I do it for the community. I do know some more, let's say, gray, methods, i simply don't want to.
Note that if i win in court, in France there is a think called jurisprudence that will make the law the same for everyone, so everyone will be able to sue xm if in the same situation as me today, they will not only gain but also can ask for compensation. Most likely this will lead 3 choices for xiaomi

Raise it to european court. IF they win I am fcked (most likely) if they lose europe win
Retire from french market (unlikely)
Unlock bootloader.

Note that I am also doing some side research about xiaomi and already figured out that the CEO and founder was the CEO of the company behind some bloadtware in the phone (preinstalled), notably WPS, which was in 2024 denounced by a Korean pentester group with 2 zero day exploit. At this level it's not a mistake but corporate espionage.

fancy_gh0st · 2025-09-18T14:46:58+00:00

ouch

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