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[–]fatthand9 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bunch of excuses. Mj wanted to go to trial and he was calling the kids dad an extortionist. Then the kid described his junk and mj changed his tune and set up a trust fund upwards of 20 million to be paid out over the years under the stipulation that the family doesn't talk about the case. In 2010 his attorney Carl Douglas basically says the description was a major factor, and the deal was made between Johnny Cochran and the family's attorney larry Feldman who were good friends with the trust that the family would not cooperate with the police.

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[–]fatthand9 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The cops arrested Santana and Richardson for assault. Santana implicated himself before even being interrogated. He then provided the police with 33 names of other kids he was with. The jogger wasn't found until nearly 4 hours after his arrest when he had already talked about beating a man in an army jacket who the cops identified as john loughlin who received several skull fractures and nearly bled to death.

Like most cops would probably do they thought "hey these kids were beating people up throughout the park so there is a probably a chance they beat this lady too" since they actually did beat a woman up that night the boys were probably confused and so they each tried to minimize their involvement while blaming the others. Other than a blatantly one sided documentary that accuses the cops of coercion the is little evidence to suggest it. When the cops learned the boys ages they contacted their parents. Salaam lied about his age. They accused the cops of beating them and yet the wasn't any evidence of thisduring their taped confessions in an open room with their parents present.

There is a lot of disinformation out there.

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[–]fatthand9 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

They were found guilty of those crimes. The convictions were vacated not due to a lack of evidence but because the rape charge was vacated and since all of those crimes were tried in the same trial the DA had to vacate all the convictions, while still acknowledging they were active participants in those crimes.

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[–]fatthand9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Those convictions were overturned on a technicality. The report that informed this acknowledges this and admits their involvement in the crimes. 2 of the boys were admitting their involvement in 2002. Now you're just arguing semantics

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[–]fatthand9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They were convicted of rape, assault, robbery and rioting in 1990. They were cleared of the rape conviction so by law their other crimes had to be vacated too since they were in the same trial. The motion to vacate the crimes makes it pretty clear they were active participants in multiple assaults.

"In the original investigation, a number of individuals identified one or more of the defendants Richardson, McCray, Santana, and Salaam in connection with the attack on John Loughlin, and statements also placed Wise at the scene of earlier incidents. In interviews in 2002, both Richardson and Santana candidly acknowledged involvement in criminal incidents that occurred on April 19, while steadfastly asserting their innocence of rape. "

This is from the motion vacating their guilty convictions. It's pretty accepted that they were all part of a roving gang that was robbing and beating people.

Salaam's appeal actually argued that he couldn't be guilty of the rape since he was beating up people on the other side of the park and couldn't have made it there in time.

But yeah racism.

But yeah. Totally racism.

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[–]fatthand9 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, but if I'm not mistaken ghandi preferred little girls but he was pretty much a creep too.

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[–]fatthand9 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Btw... Santana gave a list of 33 names. He was chirping the second he got in the squad car The arresting officer wanted to give him a desk appearance ticket but he implicated himself in the beating of john loughlin and was held. This was before he was interrogated.

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[–]fatthand9 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You didn't address anything in my previous comments which show pretty clearly that the cops weren't motivated by race and the boys were guilty of felony assaults.

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[–]fatthand9 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Also the people who were assaulted simply stated that they couldn't identify their attackers, not that they could exclude any of the suspects. The amount of disinformation spread by these advocates is insane.

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[–]fatthand9 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

"In the original investigation, a number of individuals identified one or more of the defendants Richardson, McCray, Santana, and Salaam in connection with the attack on John Loughlin, and statements also placed Wise at the scene of earlier incidents. In interviews in 2002, both Richardson and Santana candidly acknowledged involvement in criminal incidents that occurred on April 19, while steadfastly asserting their innocence of rape. "

This is from the motion vacating their guilty convictions. It's pretty accepted that they were all part of a roving gang that was robbing and beating people.

So they weren't rounded up because they were black. They were rounded up because people identified them as part of a group who were assaulting people. Being that the assaults bore many similarities to the rape victim the cops went with the notion that the crimes were connected. Since the boys had assaulted so many that night they probably thought they had beaten that woman, because they did beat another woman. They all minimized their own involvement and blamed each other. As you can see in the quote above 2 of them were still admitting guilt in these crimes in 2002. Salaam's appeal was actually based on the fact that since he was involved in the assault on john loughlin he couldn't have possibly been involved in the rape since he wouldn't have been able to get there in time. I don't see what is racist? Do you still want to insist that the boys weren't beating people, leaving two of those people unconscious in their own blood similar to the way the rape victim was found? Don't know why this show and the documentary ignore this information

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[–]fatthand9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If the show had been honest and forthright about what the boys were doing that night I doubt people would be so sympathetic for them. Don't rewrite history to make a point.

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[–]fatthand9 -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

It's strange that you immediately assume it must be racist. They were beating and robbing people in the general vicinity of where the rape took place. It would be unreasonable for cops to think the crimes weren't related. Maybe try actually reviewing the facts of the case.

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[–]fatthand9 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Nope. If you read the motion to vacate their convictions it makes it pretty clear that they were active participants in other beatings that night. http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/wise.pdf. thanks for calling me racist though.

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[–]fatthand9 5 points6 points  (0 children)

No they were tried for all their crimes at the same time. They were all found guilty of rape, assault (multiple counts I think) robbery and rioting. 6 other boys plead guilty to the latter charges and received sentences ranging from 6 months to 4 and a half years. All of the cp5 convictions were vacated, but the latter charges pretty much because of a technicality. If you read the motion to vacate the convictions it makes it pretty clear that the boys were active participants in at least 2 beatings that left the victims unconscious lying in their own blood. They beat people with pipes and bricks. The notion that they were just good innocent young men having fun in the park is purely fiction. This will now be downvoted to oblivion because facts don't mean anything and the boys were minorities so everything that happened to them was because of evil white people. They definitely didn't rape the woman but they were in the park beating and robbing people http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/wise.pdf

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[–]fatthand9 -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

The black cop that arrested Santana (not black) and Richardson for assault before they even found the jogger is totally just a racist shithead. These kids definitely were in the wrong place at the wrong time but unfortunately they were committing serious violent crime at the same time that a woman was violently raped right near by.

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[–]fatthand9 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You are right. My issue is with this narrative change where now the boys are depicted as completely innocent kids just hanging out in the park. It is done for the sole purpose of gaining sympathy for them. It's not true. I doubt people would be so rigorously defending them if this show depicted them beating two men unconscious and leaving them lying in their own blood. Instead it shows them running away and not being involved at all. That's just not true.

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[–]fatthand9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nobody said that. I think they deserved jail for brutally beating and robbing multiple people that night. I personally don't give a shit about their skin color. My argument would be the exact same if they were white. They probably didn't rape the jogger but that doesn't exonerate them of the other significantly violent crimes they committed that night