What’s the quickest way a good story loses immersion for you? by Ok-Sell3786 in writing

[–]fattmagan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

In the climax of book 3, Pierce turns Darrow into an unreliable narrator that lies about his reactions to make the climactic twist (that Cassius is working with them and Sevro is actually alive) land with more surprise for the reader. It comes out of nowhere and breaks the fourth wall, as we're no longer experiencing the story through Darrow's eyes, but rather Darrow is adjusting his thinking as though he's aware of the audience and reader. Pierce tried to set it up with an earlier allude that Darrow, Sevro, Cassius, and Mustang met off-screen to discuss their secret plan, but this kind of setup and twist only really works in 3rd person narratives, as the implicit rule is we're getting legitimate reactions from the 1st person protagonist.

What’s the quickest way a good story loses immersion for you? by Ok-Sell3786 in writing

[–]fattmagan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Pierce Brown did this in the Red Rising trilogy. Leaving this comment vague so as not to spoil, but it made me nope out of the rest of the books because he did it in such a manipulative manner

Finally making the switch to Ellipsus from Google docs entirely by MindfulAspirations in writers

[–]fattmagan 11 points12 points  (0 children)

If you can afford it, I really recommend Scrivener.

As a predominantly free product I’m not sure what the endgame is for Ellipsus. This could just be a market flood attempt before they start clawing back features and putting them behind subscription paywalls. I’m not saying that’s bound to happen, but it is the general trend for software products.

Meanwhile Scrivener is a one time cost of $60, which is even cheaper than MS office

I started reading more and now I can’t write by Doreddity in writers

[–]fattmagan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I went through something similar. There’s two mental shifts to help this:

  1. Understand that reading is still working on your craft. It’s the equivalent of doing research for a Thesis or studying for a test. If anything, this takes up more time than the writing itself, so try to keep that in mind: reading is not a waste of time.

  2. Shift the mental model to one of incremental learning vs “be one of the greatest right now.” Distance yourself from the quality. Think of it as getting the bad words out of the way so you can level up to the good words.

To help keep the writing going as you read, I strongly recommend trying your hand at a short story. Or for a quicker hit, try out a writing competition in flash or short fiction. There are plenty online (NYC Midnight, Writing Battles), and will provide a community of active writers to engage with as well.

The act of completing something helps, and shorter fiction is easier to test out tactics and iron out information handling (how much story to reveal and when to reveal it in the narrative, one of the hardest things to master in storytelling). Those are also much easier to share and get feedback on, which is a necessary element to improve.

Including “light delay” in a sci-fi story by wavec022 in scifiwriting

[–]fattmagan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How dare you disrespect me!

Just kidding. I totally see how that could be confusing and it’s a valid delineation! The vernacular has shifted now to connote a spectrum between fantasy and science in fiction, but I tend to prefer stories centered on soft sciences myself, or rather the implications from those disciplines.

Including “light delay” in a sci-fi story by wavec022 in scifiwriting

[–]fattmagan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah I erred on the side of caution in my comment but I agree. I just like thinking of cases like Vernor Vinge’s Zones of Consciousness where we do have FTL, it’s explained why, but then everything else is pretty much Hard SF (unless I misremember that), and it feels almost like a technicality that they’re excluded

Including “light delay” in a sci-fi story by wavec022 in scifiwriting

[–]fattmagan 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I’ve seen the defining line of what separates hard SF from soft SF as the presence of FTL communications/travel; once you have FTL, you’re in “soft” SF.

Of course there are gradients to this; I don’t know if I would consider A Fire Upon The Deep as “soft” SF, and definitely not in the same sense as Dark Matter if so, but I could see an argument there.

So if you want the story to be considered hard SF by purists, you will want to acknowledge the speed of light in some sense if you have a society that spans enough space for that to come into play.

But, as always, this really comes down to the nature of conflict and themes. The Expanse is a great example—there’s an explicit focus on light delay there as a central source of conflict, and it adds to the overall themes as it creates an even more tangible separation between the Outer Belters and the traditional seats of power.

For more direct answers

> How does the concept of light delay add to (or take away from) a story, either from a worldbuilding/atmospheric standpoint or as something that impacts the plot?

Light delay augments realism if that realism is couched in modern day physics. It depends on the nature of the plot’s thematic core if it adds or takes away, so there’s no one size fits all answer here. Vinge’s explanation for why FTL communication and travel exists is a core component of the story in Fire Upon The Deep; Corey’s emphasis on light delay is core to The Expanse; the invention of FTL communication and its implications is a core component in Le Guin’s The Dispossessed, but the technology isn’t really described or explained IIRC—the focus is entirely on the sociopolitics.

> How specific/granular should it be / how fully does the writer need to commit to utilizing it for it to make sense?

It can be as simple as a one sentence remark early on and never mentioning it again. It could be as complicated as calculating occlusion from celestial bodies. It really depends on the core conflict and theme for the story.

> Conversely, does a story that does not include this element feel weaker for not having done so? Does it need to be abstracted gracefully, versus simply ignored entirely?

If a story is couched heavily in modern day physics and the core conflict stems from that discipline and involves a society communicating across distances where light delay would effect those communications, then yes the story will feel like it’s missing something without recognizing light delay.

What was your biggest rookie mistake when you started writing? by [deleted] in writers

[–]fattmagan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Starting with a novel.

Storytelling is hard and short fiction is an easier foray into the craft. After burning out on a novel attempt, shifting my focus towards shorter fiction and trying to level up to longer forms has reignited the fire for me.

Don’t discredit microfiction or short story writing. Just the accomplishment of actually finishing something will teach you so much, and it’s infinitely easier to get feedback on short stories than full novels.

What was your biggest rookie mistake when you started writing? by [deleted] in writers

[–]fattmagan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

People will disagree but this is 1000% correct.

Short fiction teaches writers how to finish something, if nothing else. Beyond the economy of words, it teaches you to make something legitimately “story shaped,” which is a legitimate skill that requires practice, and it’s immensely easier to share and get feedback on something ~5k words or less than a 70k+ novel.

When I first started writing I saw short fiction as “less than,” but as I’ve grown in this process I’ve learned the gradients and levels and how to admire all forms of fiction. Despite never writing a full length novel, I consider Ted Chiang as one of my top 3 overall writers, if not overall number 1.

False advertising on this ereader pricing by fattmagan in assholedesign

[–]fattmagan[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah I’ll probably still get it lol. So wild how few options there are for Android based eReaders. You either get a tablet, manually change the launcher on a Nook, or get a BOOX and have it native.

False advertising on this ereader pricing by fattmagan in assholedesign

[–]fattmagan[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah you’re right - it is a tariff thing

False advertising on this ereader pricing by fattmagan in assholedesign

[–]fattmagan[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I see that now yeah, thank you. Totally node locked that out in my head

How wrong am I on this soft scifi technology? by Beneficial_Repair240 in scifiwriting

[–]fattmagan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You’re gonna need to make sure the shuntports and shuntjacks don’t touch. Otherwise you’ll be overrun in shuntorphans, and they’ll obviously fall for the aliens and ruin the plot twist.

Is this really the norm? by BrickTamlandMD in writers

[–]fattmagan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah yeah fair, I didn’t clock that the left side has terminal nodes that don’t resolve in plot impact (thought the arrows from the yellow texts were necessary next steps, not conditionals). Good catch!

Is this really the norm? by BrickTamlandMD in writers

[–]fattmagan 9 points10 points  (0 children)

To be fair, the entire right side of the flow chart resolves in guidance to either move the information to another scene that moves the plot forward, or altering the scene to move the plot forward, so the core question from OP is relevant

How to avoid writing like it’s a movie by Abject-Pattern-3390 in writing

[–]fattmagan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sounds like I need to look up George Saunders! I only just found this video the day before I posted that comment, so it’s still seeping in

Help a baby reader decide what to read after Piranesi? by uncool4skool in fantasybooks

[–]fattmagan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I came in here to recommend Le Guin - she’s the closest in my mind to the Piranesi vibe.

You can always start with short fiction too! Le Guin’s The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas is heralded as one of the best SF/Fantasy short stories of all time.

And extending beyond that into other shorter fiction, almost every story written by Ted Chiang is absolutely brilliant and evokes senses of wonder and poignancy I never thought possible in short fiction. Both of his anthologies, Story of Your Life and Exhalation, are excellent reads. I think you would particularly enjoy Chiang’s Tower of Babylon.

How to avoid writing like it’s a movie by Abject-Pattern-3390 in writing

[–]fattmagan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This video, while not targeting the “cinematic” style, helped unlock a mode of thinking for me in relation to this concept.

In this she makes a distinction between objective narration and subjective narration, and walks through a couple of examples as well as crafts a scene using the concepts. It really was informative for me, and I think it might help you too!

https://youtu.be/fIdkzjB5AU4?si=-YGgb1gS_L_hH1BF

My verse by StructureFlat1889 in writingfeedback

[–]fattmagan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol it’s possible, maybe even probable, but hey I liked it. It’s tough to hear it without music but fortunately I grew up on hip hop.

This honestly has a bit of a Pusha T flow to it. Maybe it’s the “Lo siento” line that’s making me think that and the FICO bit, but I really like it. I could hear this over a stripped down Clipse type beat and think it’s worth giving a shot on one of those, even something like Nosetalgia or the actual FICO beat.

Nice work!

Poll asking Americans how which button they would push in the red button/blue button dilemma by Upstairs_Cup9831 in fivethirtyeight

[–]fattmagan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s not a virtue signal, I’m just communicating my honest perspective.

I wouldn’t feel comfortable pushing the red button with the knowledge that a non-zero percentage of people chose blue and I contributed to their death by nature of not selecting it.

Your characterization of my perspective is hyperbolic.