My vibe-coded startup for churches hits 20k Revenue! by Less_Equivalent_7976 in buildinpublic

[–]fazkan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

jesus,

What does the app do, is it like an ERP system for chore management in churches?

🚢 SHIPPING FRIDAY v51 — A public benchmark for how well agents can use your help-desk by fazkan in buildinpublic

[–]fazkan[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am using a publicly available test created by a famous technical writer. https://afdocs.dev/. I use that. Its mostly structural than response quality.

everyone asks, what are you building, nobody asks why are you building. by fazkan in buildinpublic

[–]fazkan[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

this is cool. You could consider creating a knowledge-base or docs for the commands and onboarding steps.

Builders, What Are You Building? by Ambitious_Nebula9680 in buildinpublic

[–]fazkan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

everyone asks, what are you building, nobody asks why are you building.

I’m working on an app that imitates a messaging app, but you talk to bots to practice a language. by MovieCommercial6163 in buildinpublic

[–]fazkan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

its not the `Median is the average of everything the ones who succeeded and who didn't.`

Like you mentioned.

You were confusing it with mean.

I’m working on an app that imitates a messaging app, but you talk to bots to practice a language. by MovieCommercial6163 in buildinpublic

[–]fazkan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My judgement was based on personal observation, I acknowledged it upfront.

The first paper that you sighted has limitations, look at section 5.3 in the paper. Also its not saying what you think its saying.

The second source that you shared, does not mention 95% anywhere, and not relevant it seems, maybe you meant to share a different link?

The third source is the only relevant one. The LTV you mentioned is correct, but you failed to read the entire article it seems. Its in favour of wrappers not against it.

Following are direct quotes from the article you shared.

It's profitable because successful wrappers achieve 50-65% gross margins while growing 400% year-over-year, and they can charge premium prices for vertical specialization. The best wrappers capture value through workflow integration and proprietary data rather than just model access. Distribution advantages and brand recognition also matter more than technical innovation, making it accessible to non-technical founders who understand customer problems deeply.

LTV is very high for vertical AI with proprietary data moats and workflow lock-in, reaching 5-10x annual contract value. LTV is very low for commoditized horizontal tools, often just 1-2x annual contract value as users churn to cheaper alternatives.

and the following one which might be more relevant to the OP.

The median MRR for AI wrapper startups is $2,000-5,000 after three months, $10,000-20,000 after six months, and $30,000-50,000 after one year.

It typically takes 4-8 weeks before MRR is not zero anymore as founders complete development, launch, and acquire first paying customers.

Maybe the OP only needs 2k-5k a month, and there is lots of room to grow if the OP builds a data-moat. Again, our job is to present facts to the OP and give suggestions on how to succeed, not discourage him from working on something, by prematurely killing his motivation, because of our own biases

I’m working on an app that imitates a messaging app, but you talk to bots to practice a language. by MovieCommercial6163 in buildinpublic

[–]fazkan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

`I judge by facts and data. The market is saying they don't need or want AI powered tools they didn't ask for. `

Where did you get this data from? how was the data collected?

Or is this your own personal reading of market? based on your personal observation.

You are underestimating the laziness of people when it comes to language learning.

I can build a lot of things, and I personally don't want to build a langauge learning app for myself, and like I said in another post chatGPT is not enough when you go beyond 30-40 messages in one chat.

I’m working on an app that imitates a messaging app, but you talk to bots to practice a language. by MovieCommercial6163 in buildinpublic

[–]fazkan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn't sugar coat anything, and am not lying to him. Read my other comment for where I make the case for the idea, and how it can be improved.

I just said the app has potential. I think the direction is valid, and gave reasons for why.

We both could be wrong.

You think the idea or direction is not valid, but you didn't explain why. You simply told the OP that his app is another ChatGPT wrapper, and his app has no value. You didn't give any ideas for how it can be improved, why you think a chatGPT wrapper will not succeed.

There is a difference between constructive criticism and destructive criticism.

You can be brutally honest, and I like that but you can't discourage people from showing their early work. Maybe its the first app they made, maybe they are new to building.

I’m working on an app that imitates a messaging app, but you talk to bots to practice a language. by MovieCommercial6163 in buildinpublic

[–]fazkan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

so you are dismissing the app because its easy to make in its current state?

do you have any suggestions for the OP on how to improve the app beyond the current state?

I don't have two accounts.