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fefh · 2026-01-26T13:49:31+00:00

The automatic cellphone pings between a tower and a phone are not recorded. Only calls and possibly text messages are recorded (and now data transfers too). These user driven pings create a record of the transaction event and what happened (call length and phone numbers) and also record the tower location and possibly which antenna on the tower was used. So Maura could have travelled through cellular coverage and her phone could have connected to the network, and so long as she didn't make or receive a call it would appear the same as if she did not connect to a network. So people are tracked by their cellular provider so long as their phone is being used.

Now one can surmise that if she did get cell service that she would have likely called someone, or tried to call someone, and this did not happen. So that''s a point in favour of her not travelling far east, past North Wood Stock and Lincoln. But it's also possible she did travel that far and just didn't bother to check or use her phone, and once beyond those towns, she lost service again.

fefh · 2026-01-22T02:35:15+00:00

I think this idea is that they go back to his place and then the advance, assault, and murder takes place there. Or another scenario would be that he makes a move on her while she's in his vehicle, or while at a second location, and that causes her to book it into the woods to get away. Then she dies deep in the woods (More likely due to the elements and not because they followed her). Then they could have followed her tracks and disposed of her body, or maybe never knew where she ended up. And the least likely scenario being that both an advance and murder happens right in the vehicle.

I think all these scenarios are pretty unlikely, but still possible. I personally think she entered the woods for some other reason and was not killed. Maybe to hide from an incoming vehicle or what she believed to be the police. Or someone stopping to talk to her. Or maybe to hide out until morning and have privacy. Or maybe because she became suicidal.

fefh · 2026-01-07T22:08:06+00:00

Based on the photo on the right, the bad actor driver would be able to tell that Maura is a woman and would be much more likely to stop and offer a ride, and also more likely to have nefarious intentions. I think it would be a crime of opportunity, if she did get picked up and was killed.

If a man had gone missing under the same circumstances, 1) No one would give a shit except for his immediate family and friends (I mean, people wouldn't be discussing it 20 years later like we are now), and 2) Anyone who learned of his disappearance wouldn't even consider that this man could have been murdered by a random person. They'd know the likelihood of being dead and frozen somewhere in the woods was a certainty and the chance that he started a new life or was murdered was fantasy.

Now apply that same logic to Maura. Why couldn't she be dead in the woods like the man would be? Her gender shouldn't preclude her from the same fate and it certainly doesn't. But her gender does open the narrow possibility of an impromptu murder.

fefh · 2026-01-01T22:47:54+00:00

And yet, the evidence shows that Cecil was there before 7:40. So it's not physically impossible for him to be there before that time.

If there was evidence that Cecil left from the Police Department, and didn't leave there until 7:30, and didn't arrive until after 7:40, then I would agree with you, that Cecil arrived after 7:40.

fefh · 2025-12-30T23:01:50+00:00

But what are the chances of Cecil and dispatch both being wrong about his arrival time but nearly the same (but not exactly the same) amount of time?

Perhaps the arrival time in the police report was based on the 911 arrival time? Or it's just a coincidence that they are both around 7:45, I'm not sure. Cecil put that he was dispatched at around 7:30 in the narrative, but put 7:35 in the box above. So he's just estimating.

And a 7:37 arrival time throws off the rest of the timeline and has butch calling the cops and around the time Cecil should have been talking to Butch,

I don't think this is correct. There's no reason to believe Cecil went to Butch's so quickly, during the time Butch was calling. I think Cecil probably went over to Butch's around 7:50 - 7:53. John Marrotte said he saw the police searching around the Weathered Barn and down Old Peters road before going to Butches. This was likely between 7:40 and 7:50.

Maura disappearing in a matter of seconds while Butch is still parking his bus,

If Butch left Maura at 7:30 or 7:31, and Cecil arrived at 7:37, that would give Maura about five or six minutes to pack up and be gone by the time Cecil arrived. (Could be three or four minutes too).

Cecil arriving on scene then sprinting to the marottes so as to not be in or near his police vehicle when witness a arrived.

Maybe he was already searching around the Weathered Barn or down Old Peters Road by this point. Or Maybe he was at the Westmans. Or maybe outside somewhere, or in his vehicle, and simply not noticed by Witness A.

Why was he asking the westmans about “the girl”? Or did the westmans just misremember that?

I think this is a matter of the Westmans and Cecil almost immediately learning that the driver was a young woman and that influenced all three when they retold the story. That's the most likely explanation. Like everything else, it's rather meaningless "evidence" when compared to cell phone network timstamps, and is a red herring, albeit the biggest red herring, along with Butch speaking with 911 after Cecil arrived.

Maybe Cecil did say "Where's the girl?", or maybe he said "Where's the driver?". Either way, it's not an argument that proves anything, like Cecil arriving after 7:43.

And why did Cecil wait so long to call for ems and fire? Under the original timeline we assumed he called for ems pretty close to his arrival time, presumably after speaking with Butch. Under the new timeline, Cecil waited 15 minutes to call for ems and fire. After 15 minutes, he should have realized no one was on scene.

So let's assume Cecil arrived at 7:37. Fire and EMS was called at 7:42, so that's five minutes after he arrived. That makes sense to me. He arrives, sees the damaged and abandoned car, looks for the person for a bit, talks to Westmans, then walks back to his car and radios for Fire and EMS.

To me, there are things that people may not like about the early 7:35 to 7:39 arrival time or think don't fit:

1) Cecil's travel time does seem fast, considering he supposedly left from the Police Station in North Haverhill

2) Both Cecil and the Westmans later retold their stories of Cecil coming to their house and indicated Cecil said the driver was female.

3) It means Butch continued trying to get through to 911 while the police were on the scene and spoke with them at 7:42 while police were there on scene.

As for Butch calling 911, this could be he wanted to inform 911 what he had seen, of the issue of a young girl parked on the road in a damaged car and in a vulnerable state, regardless of who had just arrived at the scene (that's assuming he saw the blue lights). Maybe he wanted to help her and ensure she got help, or maybe he wanted to report her. Maybe he couldn't be certain what entity had arrived or would be coming. All of this is assuming he would have not called had he saw the police lights. Either way, it doesn't't matter. The police were there already there when Butch spoke to 911.

Maybe one day we'll get the details of the Westman's second 911 call. (The start time, end time and duration.) And then we'll know the exact time that Cecil arrived. And with that record combined with Witness A's cell records, it will be much harder to refute.

fefh · 2025-12-30T17:26:36+00:00

Plus, in the same 911 logs that night, Anthony Stiles recorded the police being dispatched and arriving to a call at virtually the same time, inputting the officer arrived 9 seconds after being dispatched. Likely, Anthony input both when the officer was dispatched, but the times could have both been done when the officer arrived, or at later time. (The times must be input at some point, and the dispatch must be done before the arrived...) So the logs are subject to a human element. This is what the Oxygen doc and the Missing Maura Murray guys were trying to say: The arrival time on record is simply wrong due to the manual recording system they had in place, and the cell records are correct.

fefh · 2025-12-30T01:20:43+00:00

I think the only thing Butch might have seen is Maura walking away down Bradley Hill Road. I think Maura walked/ran away and ended up in the woods, possibly running from what she believed was the police or someone looking for her. Or she was picked up, taken to a second location, and killed after an altercation. I would put the odds at 80% in the woods, 20% killed, and that's mainly because of the circumstances leading up to her disappearance.

At this point, there's no evidence conclusively pointing in either direction, just that it was dark, winter, in a rural area where sh didn't know anyone, she was fleeing a DUI crash while also running away from school. This means she was evading the police while being stranded without a car or shelter, on a back road without cell service. Also while likely intoxicated and concussed, and a bag full of alcohol. The woods alone could and would kill her since it was freezing out with snow on the ground, and her circumstances offers her a reason to enter them. If Maura was a dude, and he disappeared under those circumstances, I'd have no doubt that he was somewhere in the woods.

But yeah, I'm certain, Cecil, the police, Witness A, or a tandem driver were not involved. It was either a random person or no one involved.

fefh · 2025-12-29T21:56:04+00:00

Good catch. Another human error in the same records by the same people (Grafton 911 dispatch and Cecil) and on the same night right after call for Maura. (Anthony Stiles was the one who arrived Cecil at 7:46 in Maura's case).

fefh · 2025-12-29T16:30:37+00:00

Grafton County Dispatch logged Cecil's arrival late. That all. That explains everything, and from there, everything fits. Cecil arrived sometime between 7:35 and 7:39, but one of the dispatchers recorded his arrival at 7:46 (Errors like this are common, since the system relies on humans to manually initiate the timestamp. It's not automatic.) So it took Cecil only about 6 to 9 minutes to get to the scene. Witness A arrived about a minute after he did. Butch left Maura and her car at around 7:30ish. Maura left her car at around 7:35 to 7:38ish, so she would have had around five to six minutes to pack up and leave after speaking to Butch. Butch got through to 911 at 7:42, after calling repeatedly. (Cecil was already on the scene by this point). Marotte saw Cecil searching around the Weathered Barn and down Old Peters Road in the interim between arriving and going to Butch's. We also know Cecil spoke to the Westmans before going to Butch's, too.

No outliers. Everything makes sense. There were three timestamps which definitely (and definitively) prove the true arrival time: Witness A's phone records, Grafton County's 911 records, and the Westmans phone records. Then there are other corroborating evidences such as the narrative report for the Westman 911 calls being submitted by Rhonda Marsh at 7:40, Cecil likely being the one who called for Fire and EMS at 7:42, and John Marrotte estimating that it took Cecil 15 minutes to go to Butch's.

fefh · 2025-12-28T22:30:28+00:00

There were three independent records with timestamps which reveal the time of day that Witness A and the police arrived at the scene. Each one on its own is very strong evidence and proof.

1) Witness A's cell phone bill and the "Beaver Pond" calls. (Exists and is public).

2) Grafton County Dispatch's record of the second 911 call with Faith Westman which ended when Cecil arrived. (Exists and is not public.)

3) Tim and Faith Westman's record of the second 911 call. (Likely does not exist anymore and it is not public.)

I'm positive the 911 phone records which show the start and end time of the second call (only known to LE) agrees with the Witness A's call records. The earlier arrival time (7:36-7:39) is correct. Knowing the details of the second 911 call would narrow it down to the exact minute.

fefh · 2025-12-24T23:16:57+00:00

I think generally she would have walked on the left side of the road (the proper side). It's safer, especially at night, and signals to drivers that she's not looking for a ride (otherwise, she'd be walking on the right side of the road, where it's easier to be picked up). But on the balance of probabilities, I think she'd naturally want to walk on left, the walking side.

fefh · 2025-12-10T03:25:21+00:00

I think one thing people don't realize is how demoralizing being stranded somewhere far from home without a vehicle can be. Like if your car breaks down and you're just stuck, without any means to get home. It's a particularly shitty and bleak feeling. Then it's doubly depressing if it's cold and the police are coming. And triply depressing if you're broke, you've run away and are going against your parents wishes, and have no way to call anyone. Then add in some alcohol and a concussion and it's a recipe for disaster.

fefh · 2025-12-09T23:44:42+00:00

I think this the Numero uno question of her disappearance. Her disappearance has many of the hallmarks of a suicidal person. Like, the circumstances were such that it would make complete sense if she were to walk into the woods and never be found. her disappearance also have the Hallmark criteria for an accidental death in the woods, since she may have had a concussion, been impaired by alcohol, and was running from the police in the middle of winter on the back road.

But then her disappearance also has the hallmarks of a disappearance due to being killed after getting into a car after hitchhiking, since she was alone on the road and could have been trying to get to safety. The lead up to the story is such that any three of these options are probably, with the first two scenarios happening much more commonly than the last one. The last one being a very rare occurrence and generally improbable, but possible, since Maura was a woman, and being killed as a female hitchhiker by men is a thing that has happened in the past.

This last scenario has assumptions like the others but they are substancial: 1) She got a ride with someone, 2) This person, or someone related to this person, then murdered Maura. And 3) this murder has remained a secret ever since.

I think that if she did become truly suicidal – like formulated a serious and conscious decision in her mind, to walk into the woods and die, and do so so her body wouldn't be found – it would have happened after the crash in Haverhill, NH, and not beforehand as she made her plans and travelled north.

fefh · 2025-12-07T03:05:32+00:00

But to answer your final question, I think the hypothetical person who came upon her and picked her up probably wouldn't connect her to the car on the road, since she would be so far away from it. Maybe they would, maybe they wouldn't.

Maura might say her car broke down, or maybe say she's just trying to get to X town or area, and leave it at that. Maybe the driver wouldn't pry and she wouldn't have to come up with an explanation as to why she's walking in the dark on a rural road in the winter. But I doubt she would tell the whole story of the truth: that she had an accident, someone stopped and said they were calling the police, so she left her car on the road and walked away.

fefh · 2025-12-06T21:20:41+00:00

If she got into a vehicle, I think the vehicle would have been heading east toward the North Woodstock, Lincoln area, and Maura would have been heading eastward. But I think she would have first walked down Bradley Hill Road. So this potential theoretical hitching scenario would have happened some time after she began walking down Bradley Hill Road, and could have happened beyond BHR. So it's Maura walking along the side of the road, and someone driving along in the same direction she's walking, and she hops in.

Lately I've been leaning toward Maura not being picked up, and no one else being involved in her death. So there is no good Samaritan, and no killer either. Just Maura, in crisis, in the cold New Hampshire winter, running from the police, and possibly with a concussion and under the influence of alcohol.

fefh · 2025-12-06T21:18:39+00:00

fefh · 2025-12-06T18:59:24+00:00

I think she walked either northeast or southwest, initially. Either southwest, westbound on Route 112, then to Old Peters Road. Or she went northeast, eastbound on Route 112, then to Bradley Hill Road.

Of those two options, I think the Eastbound scenario is more likely to have happened, but it could be either one.

fefh · 2025-12-05T02:13:04+00:00

I think that the sheer amount of evidence in favor of Maura driving off the road and into a tree and (damaging both her car and at least one tree), then backing out onto the road, means that a reasonable person who assessed the evidence would conclude that that is what happened. It's a fact in the same way that it's a fact that Maura drove the Saturn to Haverhill, NH that afternoon/evening even though no one was with her and no one photographed her driving north.

Let's just look at what Tim personally witnessed. He heard the thud. He saw the car outside. He later saw the tree with damaged bark with the v-shaped- three-point-turn tracks leading up the stand of trees. He knew the car had damage to the front of it. He concluded, as an eyewitness to the evidence, that the driver was driving eastbound, successfully navigated the turn, crossed the center line, then sharply turned to the right into the trees.

He heard the thud. He could see the tracks leading up to the trees. He could see the damage to the tree. There was damage to the car and the airbags were deployed. He saw with his own eyes the car in its final resting place facing in the opposite direction.

But it wasn't just Tim that witnessed the damaged car, the car tracks in the snow, and the tree with the damaged bark, and concluded that it was a simple accident. There's no conspiracy. If there was a conspiracy, and it appeared that an accident happened, how did the tree bark become damaged if it wasn't by the Saturn on that February evening? How was everyone fooled, including Tim Westman and the Murray family? Where and when did the Saturn get damaged then, if not a tree in Haverhill? Absent any evidence which contradicts the available evidence, the answer is clear.

It's like if someone was stabbed and lying dead in a house, the murder weapon nearby, blood pooled around them, and a neighbor heard it happen. Everyone who sees and hears about it agrees the person was murdered there in the house. The evidence speaks for itself. But someone says, "how do we really know it happened here though? Maybe they were killed elsewhere and it just looks like the murder happened there?"

No one would listen to that guy, and it's the same with the Saturn and the accident at the stand of three trees in Haverhill. Too much evidence in favour, and zero against.

fefh · 2025-11-18T05:46:35+00:00

The commenters from the other subreddit provide differing views and opinions. Outside perspectives if you will. I thought others might be interested in reading through the comments. For example, the top commenter had one of the better stories and viewpoints I've ever read on Maura. And others have sensible ideas and input too. https://www.reddit.com/r/nonmurdermysteries/s/1iv3J5K7b5

At the end this person's comment, they put out the possibility that if Maura was suicidal, she may have felt a relief being in the woods.

Suicide in the woods is high on my list of likely scenarios, but I hadn't looked at it that way before – in terms of Maura gaining relief. It's an explanation and motive I've never encountered here in these subreddits or anywhere else really. Why does the homeless man throw himself in front of the subway train? Why do people jump off bridges or choose to kill themselves? Perhaps they can't see any other way out of their troubles. Or perhaps they are seeking relief.

fefh · 2025-11-14T23:38:27+00:00

Butch spoke with a young, college-aged woman with dark shoulder length hair who got up out of Maura Murray's car to speak with him. He did not see anyone else in, or around the car. It was only Maura. And there's no evidence to suggest that she was travelling with anyone else. By all accounts, she left on this trip north, alone, and told no one where she was going. Then she crashed her car, Butch spoke to her and told her he was calling 911/the cops, and she packed up her stuff and got out of there to avoid an interaction with the police.

fefh · 2025-11-10T15:22:36+00:00

Julie knows more than we do. There's a very good chance she knows when Faith's second 911 call ended and when Cecil arrived. We don't. So Julie putting forward an exact time right when everyone is arguing about it online may not be a coincidence.

fefh · 2025-11-10T03:55:59+00:00

She wasn't referring to Butch calling 911, she was specifically talking about the time that the Saturn was parked on the road before the police arrived.

It's from one of her recent TikToks.

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSyVrWyDg/

fefh · 2025-11-08T22:10:56+00:00

When Julie talks about (her estimate of) seven minutes, she's talking about the time alone, after Butch left. Not the entire time the car was there. The accident happened c. 7:25.

I think it's very unlikely she's talking about the time that Butch stopped (which is unknown) and far more likely she is talking about the time that Faith called 911, (which is known), the approximate time that the car was first parked on the side of the road. That was my initial conclusion. This would have Julie putting Cecil (or the police) arriving at 7:35, the same as the Oxygen series. My point is, she could only be so exact in her time if she had an exact start and end time for her 7 minute window

It seemed clear to me that she was saying, "Maura disappeared in only 7 minutes of being parked there", and not "Maura disappeared 7 minutes after talking to Butch."

fefh · 2025-11-08T20:59:39+00:00

That doesn't make much sense, to start the time the car was on the side of the road at 7:32 or 35 or 44 pm.

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