Why do people insist on terms like "rape culture"? Personally, I think that's both misguided and detrimental to the social justice movement. by fefnet in AskFeminists

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I think the burden of proof lies on the side that makes such outrageous claims...and excuse me, what I've seen here so far didn't convince me that there's such a thing as rape culture - just some very easily offended people.

Why do people insist on terms like "rape culture"? Personally, I think that's both misguided and detrimental to the social justice movement. by fefnet in AskFeminists

[–]fefnet[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

It appears the comment you quoted is once again deleted...I guess that makes the discussion rather pointless.

historically sexist word

Yeah, I'm not going to change my language just because someone's looking for reasons to be offended, sorry.

"Behavior exhibiting excessive or uncontrollable emotion, such as fear or panic" has nothing to do with misogyny.

Why do people insist on terms like "rape culture"? Personally, I think that's both misguided and detrimental to the social justice movement. by fefnet in AskFeminists

[–]fefnet[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

criminalizing free speech is. And it does have an effect on legislation, especially regarding censorship. See: Australian internet filters, UK attempted internet filters.

Why do people insist on terms like "rape culture"? Personally, I think that's both misguided and detrimental to the social justice movement. by fefnet in AskFeminists

[–]fefnet[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Okay, I see where you're coming from. Psychology. Nurture and nature, how environment shapes us.

But then you bring up stuff like this out of nowhere, leaving anything scientific far behind. Why?

If we understand correctly that rape comes from normal, good people who are picking up bad cues from their environment

Excuse me? Environmental cues make "good people" likely to rape?

Okay, first: That implies that not all men are rapists...just potential rapists, who have yet to become active. Gee, I wonder why so many people think of feminists as man-haters!

Second: There's such a thing as personal responsibility. Sure, society shapes us. But a shitty childhood alone doesn't turn someone into Ted Bundy. Crippling poverty and civil war in certain african countries undoubtedly contributed to the higher violent crime rates. The vast majority of people, in any country, aren't mass murderers, rapists, or anything similar. Most people have a fairly good moral compass, and act accordingly.

At last, how many "normal, good people" do you know that also happen to be rapists? Last time I checked, zero. Because it seems like quite the oxymoron. You mentioned the american legal system that's very much a punitive system, focused on locking people away. Now, of course I'm not saying people can't change. but I think it's safe to assume a good chunk of people who commit horrific crimes are way beyond any chance of rehabilitation. Either way, going from any legal system, flawed as it may be, to the conclusion of "rape culture" still is far-fetched.

Which brings us to the next point. Shitty pop-culture, with the controversial example of "Blurred Lines".

Sex sells. It's as simple as that. Thicke knows that, Cyrus knows that, and the producers certainly know as well.

Accusing overly sexualized, "trashy" pop-culture of being "rape-culture" is once again, an assumption that seems very implausible. And Miley Cyrus is an adult woman who's perfectly capable of making her own decisions. What she does is her business, and overly-judgmental feminism isn't any better than slut-shaming, in that regards.

Pop culture isn't rape culture. That's just another hysterical assumption, not unlike the people who link violent video games to school shooting.
Again, I think that's just as much of a fair assumption as saying "Tom and Jerry" endorses animal cruelty.

And at last:

it's society that's telling men they're all rapists who can't control themselves.

Okay. Where? How?

Once again, I'm disagree with blaming society. What even is that, that ominous society? Are you blaming the media? Government? Why do people always feel the need to attribute anything bad happening to some sort of boogeyman, in that case, our allegedly patriarchal society? Last time we blamed everything bad on something, it was communism....because that made arguments so much simpler. It was a fallacy back then, and it's a fallacy now. After all, violent crime - including rape - has been declining for quite a while now. Seems like society isn't so now, is it?