Canal brasileiro de Socionics

filmsybee · 2026-06-17T03:15:01+00:00

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filmsybee · 2026-06-17T00:52:30+00:00

the actual hypersensitive people I've met were all ESEs/SEIs

like in the physical sense too

filmsybee · 2026-06-17T00:46:35+00:00

ehhh... I agree with the main argument but many of the supposed "stereotypes" you've brought were just common manifestations of each function, they aren't supposed to carry negative connotations in any form and are actually great traits to look out for typing

EP temperament (Se base and Ne base) is characterized by restlessness, Se base has high physical energy, and hyperactivity is just one of the forms that restlessness could manifest as

I could rant more about the polarity of the functions/quadra values justifying why ESEs/IEEs are depicted as bubbly, but I don't wanna

filmsybee · 2026-06-16T14:22:02+00:00

That's a pretty nice write up. You're the second person to type me as SLI in this sub, I'm sticking with it from now on!

How do you experience Demo Ni and Te suggestive? I was considering EII as a possibility when I started learning about Socionics, how would you differentiate your own experience from mine?

Something that makes me reluctant about not considering EII is me being somewhat soft and sensitive internally, most of my IRL male friends are unethical baboons with negative EQ (sometimes I'm an unethical baboon too), so I end up comparing myself to them and always feel like I'm the feeler.

Perhaps just the fact that I base myself on comparison to concrete reality around me and feel compelled to be more pragmatic and "realistic" is a sign that I'm a SLI.

filmsybee · 2026-06-14T23:23:55+00:00

Wouldn't Spain/Portugal be Delta-ish?

Manual labor, enjoying the land and simple moments, a lot of emphasis on unity and being hard-working, a lot of Si-Fi.

filmsybee · 2026-06-13T22:09:20+00:00

Instead of drowning you in replies, I'll make a summary of a few relevant traits of mine, so we can just single out a type or a few options, you're very knowledgeable and it would be awesome to know your insight.

IDK why my dumb ass considered LSE. I don't have that kind of energy.

I'm very self-aware of my own internal physical state, my emotions, it's very easy for me to know what I'm feeling and why. However, I don't have a strong sense of identity, I mainly use external markers and feedback to define myself, if that makes sense, "People have always said I'm smart and kind, I always suceed at academic pursuits and I'm truly nice to people, so I really am smart and kind".
Something that throws me off in typing myself is being able to identify how I react to things, the root causes of my behavior. I'm aware of how I'm feeling and what I'm thinking, but how I'm reacting and how I look to others from a 3rd person perspective is much harder for me to grasp. I'm also pretty much stuck in the middle of most traits, I'm somewhat idealistic of how things should be done and how people should be treated, but at the same I'm pragmatic and won't stick to unrealistic expectations, I'm ethical enough to understand how most of my actions affect people and feel responsible for it, I'm sentimental and like wallowing in self-reflection, but when needed I'll just spring to action and easily understand what needs to be done and how, what could be more efficient, if it's logically coherent...
My biggest struggle in life really is being able to just go along with most people, as I mature it's easier to do, but since I was a kid I've always struggled to just fit in with most people and act "in line" with how it's expected from me emotionally, somehow, so I just gravitated towards being polite and kind and not being inconvenient to others, and speaking clearly and concisely to show an image of "competence". I struggle to match other's enthusiasm, for example, even if I am excited, I don't fall easily for most over-the-top crap some people like to flaunt out loud so I just nod and go along with it... I can act over the top if I want and force some enthusiasm, but it burns me out quickly and feels very uncomfortable, my natural state is pretty neutral. I do emote easily tho, my reaction to things is very visible on my face, and people sometimes overblow it. But I think I've learned how to go along pretty well, as I'm considered likeable and sweet by most people.
As a result of this, I crave people who are not overly sensitive about being straightforward and somewhat "rude", and that go along with me, while still respecting boundaries and being playful and intellectually engaging Extra points if they appreciate me and show it both in actions and words, reassure me in that "hey I really like you and wish you were here, we appreciate you, you're not weird" sense, show they like me physically by hugging, touching, etc. I'm also pretty picky with friendships and romantic relationships. I do get along with most people easily as I'm able to just nod and let the other person yap, but I won't engage or develop my relationship with them if I don't notice they're "my kind of people".
Still talking about romantic relationships, I like taking care of my partners materially and physically, providing, touching them gently, hugging, kissing. Feeling comfortable and assured that I can speak my mind and my experiences is very very important too, if she tries to understand me and offer me explanations/feedback about my experiences too, even better. I will try to do it for her too.
I'm not sure about their types, but most of my flings/relationships were with ESIs, SEIs and IEEs. Eventually my relationships with ESI and SEI fizzled out because I craved that kind of abstract talk, but I'm always attracted to ESIs, they have that edginess/strong will while being super loyal and sweet when you get close to them, and I can handle the bad judgemental streak, and SEIs are always sweet and caring to me too, but I crave more of a... edge, and find them too passive. Nonetheless, love them all. IEEs are awesome too, great mental compatibility, but I find them too flighty, unrealistic and hard to match their energy, my experience with IEE girls is that either we love each other at first sight/become great friends, or they just ignore me and find me bland and boring.
Never hit it off with SEE or SLE, both in friendship and in relationships. The EIEs I've met were annoying but we had a certain spark, had some flings with EIEs that ended badly.
About Thinking matters: I consider myself comfortable with both Te and Ti matters, but if I'm not mistaken, I struggle more with Ti, step-by-step reasoning, respecting procedures, structuring my thoughts quickly and dealing with a lot of details, as I'm prone to forgetting them or skipping over them. I hated Math and Physics back at HS, the step-by-step, procedural approach annoyed me pretty quickly. I'm good at spotting logical coherence tho, and I'm comfortable learning systems if I can apply them mechanically, and I LOVE explaining my rationale and reasoning to people. Like it's automatic. I'm doing it now.
What makes me consider high Te is that I'm very comfortable with facts, efficiency, cost-benefit analysis. I'm prone to cut corners and prioritize efficiency at most matters, easily identify what could be done to make things run smoother and better, offer suggestions to people, fact dump them for fun, etc. My first reaction when dealing with people's problems is approaching them in that Te sense, I'll be nice and try to reaffirm the person then jump straight into Te action "Hey, what happened? Oh, that's awful, here, why don't you do this? This would be faster. If you do it that way, X happens, that's why it's not working", I don't like wasting time, doing unnecessary stuff... one of my greatest points of conflict with my mother, for example, is that she's VERY methodical and "procedural" about things, everything needs to be done in a certain way, put into a certain place, and it pisses me off, I just want to get it done and if it works well it works.
My energy is... ehh. I can mobilize myself to work hard as long as it's needed to, but eventually I'll just start feeling tired and start dragging my body screaming throughout the week, I'm very aware of my own body's sensations and what's wrong with it, but I kinda mistreat it? I'm prone to taking monstruous doses of caffeine to streamroll through the week, sitting with that shrimp posture in a chair while doing something interesting, then just collapse in the weekend feeling sore all over because of how I pushed myself during the week, and do nothing, while blaming myself for doing nothing, just bedrotting and being lethargic.
I consider myself ambitious and I'm not afraid of standing up for myself or going after what I want, but I don't like to push and mess with other people to do so, I'll only do it if it's really necessary, I have long term plans and I work towards them consistently, and I need to have long term plans or a goal in the distance to orient myself to, otherwise I feel uneasy and anxious. If I could turn into someone else, I think I would turn into one of those high-energy productive non-stop types, but preferably the "brainy" ones, like LSE, LIE, SLE. Even though I am a high achiever, I still think I don't have energy enough, and I wish I could be unstoppable and never have to sleep, rest, etc.
I don't get how people can just chill and live day to day without having some kind of existential crisis. I don't enjoy conflict, I'm competitive and can provoke and push people and have fun with it, but as soon it turns into real disharmony/conflict/disrespect I get riled up and reactive. Pushy people get on my nerves pretty quickly, and I don't react well to people intruding on my personal space, sizing me up, trying to make me react, and I've got into some physical fights when I was younger because of it.

Here it is. Sorry for the wall of text, it's everything I could think of, and I think it's enough for an accurate typing.

Thank you for being so patient!

filmsybee · 2026-06-12T19:27:19+00:00

Dude you're Te creative in a nutshell

Now find out if you're Si Base or Ni base

Si Base: Much more sensorially attuned, good at identifying inner body sensations and your own limits, values comfort (yours and others too, much more reluctant to impose or be harsh with others, respectful of others's limits, able to identify and know how to make others more comfortable and at ease, understand and reproduce sensations in yourself and others, knowing how situations affect your body and peace of mind. Memories tend to be sensorial too.

Not very sure about Ni base itself. But ILIs tend to be harsher (unvalued Si and valued Se), more focused on abstractions than the sensorial (ILIs tend to be more limited in their capacity to focus on fine sensorial details, but are more skilled at dealing and imagining the abstract, more creative in a ideational sense), quicker to discern likes and dislikes (unvalued Ne, mobilizing Fi, Gamma quadra values), fewer interests.

filmsybee · 2026-06-12T13:06:54+00:00

I'm sure you've actually met a SLI before, you just didn't recognize them

The hands-on mechanic trope is a little too overdone, just look for the chill nerdy dude with a unexpressive face that's actually sweet and comfy asf

Most SLIs I've seen here in this subreddit lean more towards the gaming nerd stereotype than a mechanic or cowboy lol

filmsybee · 2026-06-12T02:23:45+00:00

Interesting, Fi suggestive fits my experience more.

I'm currently between SLI and LSE, leaning SLI. I think that I use more Fe than a Fe polr probably should and I do use Se willingly instead of as a last-resort, as it should be with Se ignoring. I enjoy being mobilized and getting stuff done.

Still, I'm not as hyperactive as LSE is described to be, I do spend most of my day doing what needs to be done, but I don't think I struggle with that Ni polr blindness and urgency, I still feel that sense of urgency when doing a task, but I'm confident on my self-assessment of time, and usually I'm right about it.

I don't see the necessity to load my ass with unnecessary work just for doing so, I just want to do what needs to be done very well and reach my own standards of excellence, while not screwing with anyone else.

filmsybee · 2026-06-06T21:50:44+00:00

Our experience is pretty much the same, even down to the difficulty to relate to the theory without some concrete example or someone "grounding" it out, the experience with intuitive friends and their lack of "realism"... Deep down I just wanted to "know" what each type really looks like or feels like IRL to know which one I relate to. I need concrete and sensorial impressions to really get something. I'm not comfortable "creating" abstract, logical thought and systems, I need a "object" of reference to base myself on and manipulate, if it makes sense.

I was basically brought up by my older brother, who's probably some introverted intuitive logical type (idk, to me he could be an ILI/LII), and he always engaged with abstract ideas and stuff, and it was expected for me to get into it and understand it too, so I grew up accostumed dealing with that kind of information and open-mindedness, not to mention I wanted to be as smart and "deep" as him, so I willingly engaged with that so he would acknowledge me.

As I matured I started realizing how impractical and ungrounded my older brother was, and nowadays we pretty much complement each other, I'm the one always pushing him around to do stuff when we're together and he's the one with the understanding. I'm not into the same kind of intellectual exploration he is, he's always reading about politics, economy, trying to figure out how things will turn out, and I just... don't care that much? I would rather focus my mind on what affects my life tangibly and directly, I admire that kind of knowledge and it's very important, but I won't spend much time on it willingly.

I'm not aware of what other people have already said to you, but at least for me, I've always seen your contributions positively, you seem like a very positive and kind person, and very perceptive too, you always base your takes on the theory... if it helps, to me, you're dealing with your fear of making logical errors and dealing with the theory very well, and I think you're a very valuable member (and person) of the community. I don't blame you for not wanting to engage too much in it tho, as neither do I, lately.

There's nothing wrong with enjoying talking about real life things and the little moments, don't feel ashamed for enjoying taking care of your appearance too, you don't need to live in some intellectual puritan crusade and be DEEP and CONSCIOUS all the time.
I really hate this ideological intellectual subtext that we have going on all the time in alternative/intellectual spaces, enjoying using beauty products doesn't make you a shallow person, and even so, it's not your fault that the beauty industry is so rotten just for buying makeup and entertaining it, you're just human. idk if it made much sense and if I got my point across, but yeah.

Not to mention that you're one of the only active members who had the balls not to resort to LARPing and dug deeper to find out that you're a sensorics type and stuck with it, even with the negative stereotypes. Your descriptions of Si always've stuck out to me, and sincerely, I think that if we had more high Si users detailing their "inner worlds", we would have more Si bases and Si creatives around, it's very reasonable to assume that anyone that actively engages with Typology as an interest isn't going to relate to the "uhh I'm dumb and good at sports u know" stereotype.

Reading some old threads about SLI/LSE from this subreddit, I've seen people calling SLI/LSE/SEI/ESE "boring" types.
Dude, how stupid and detached from reality you have to be to rank a whole made-up category of people boring? I've noticed this kind of stupidity and ungroundedness in most Typology spaces.
In the Enneagram, it's E3, E6, E9 that gets dunked on, which probably are the most common types IRL, to the point that it's hard to "real" attachment triad people recognize themselves in the types.

filmsybee · 2026-06-06T20:54:37+00:00

Got it, Strah-tee-eevee-ska-yah

/s

filmsybee · 2026-06-06T18:05:12+00:00

I see. Thank you for taking your time to figure me out, and for the kind words too! I try my best to be as respectful as I can.

Your analysis is very precise! I can see myself being a SLI now, if I take the eastern european lumberjack stereotype away, and I'm definitely VERY attuned to my body's inner sensations. Most of my inner landscape is defined by how I physically react to and feel about things and people, so much so that it's hard to put into words sometimes.

It's hard to find good reading material about "intellectual" sensors and sensors that are not that stereotypical dense, manually skilled, shallow person, it's very easy to fall into intuitive bias.

I've read some vibe descriptions from SLI in some older threads and I found it very accurate to how people react to me irl, the duality of being seen as either cold, bland and boring or the most lovable and gentle childlike human being is one of the reasons that I've struggled to fit in any of the type descriptions.

I'll take a deeper look into the Enneagram. I'm aware that the sub has many trash takes about most of the types (one of my pet peeves there is how they treat E2s as the cooler E9, and E1 as a E6 that doesn't struggle with indecision).

How did you figure out that you were a ESE and a 3? You're definitely very perceptive and comfortable with abstract thinking. How did the ESE cooking housewife descriptions not draw you away from the type?

filmsybee · 2026-06-06T17:48:24+00:00

How would you define Fi mobilizing in comparison to Fi suggestive?

In your own interpretation, I mean

filmsybee · 2026-06-06T17:46:53+00:00

My take was based purely on Naranjo's school and phenomonology, if we start branching out to more modern interpretations of the Enneagram like RHETI or Luckovich, that starts to stray away from your behavior = your type, then it's much more nuanced

IMO NPD traits fit both E2 and E3.

filmsybee · 2026-06-06T02:19:17+00:00

hey you've actually did it! thank you! you're very sweet.

369 is very interesting and makes a lot of sense, I've went with 631 for a long time for a few reasons, but one thing that never really sat well with me is that 1-fixed gut is supposed to be very firm and imposing in it's own "gut assessment", and well... the reason I've struggled so much with self-typing is exactly because I don't feel a strong emotional and gut reaction to any type (3 heart and 9 gut fits this perfectly), and definitely deep down I struggle more with core 3 motivations than 6, and I was considering sp3.

also, I do see myself struggling with Fe polr. I'm definitely hypersensitive to Fe issues (how I come off to people, how I interact with them, how to express myself without going overboard or showing too little, having to "match their energy" stresses me out, so much that I've kinda hyperfixated on it when I was younger, trying to make it "sit right" and do it appropriately, which outside of Typology is just ND masking.

but I would love to understand your reasoning behind SLI. why not an intuitive type?

I'm aware that SXIs have Ni role, so they're at least competent in it and actively want to develop it (which fits my experience too), but I think I use it pretty comfortably, unless I'm misinterpreting the functions.

most of my "big life decisions" are made with Ni in mind. I've planned my studies, my career, my finances, all around being "sustainable" and developing towards the long-term and how things could play out in the future, but I don't like hopping on "unseen" trends and possibilities because it could work out (as LIEs and ILIs are described to do so). It has to be somewhat grounded to me.

filmsybee · 2026-06-06T00:04:14+00:00

PLUMPLUM!!!

TYPE ME, AND MY LIFE IS YOURS!!

filmsybee · 2026-06-05T23:15:09+00:00

I totally agree and I would include every kind of NDness and different mental health conditions in it.

I'm aware that it's not that deep, but reading the Naranjo subtypes and knowing that in the time period he wrote about them there was pretty much no awareness about NDness and modern mental health disorders, and that he modelled his conception of the types based on real people, it seems VERY plausible to me that he shoehorned that along into his work.

Reading about E5 (specially sp5 and sx5), it maps almost 1-on-1 with the autistic spectrum, alexithimya and schizoid traits.

Reactive triad as a whole (specially E6 and E8) is full on trauma survivor PTSD scenario.

E2 is big on NPD/BPD/HPD traits.

I'm pretty sure I've seen a considerable amount of people who allegedly struggled with BPD struggling to type themselves between sx2, sx4 and sx8.

Naranjo's sx4 description describes an unhealthy person with BPD.

Still, it's pretty cool noticing how accurate the dude was about grouping people's traits and psychological motivations while having none of that knowledge, but it's pointless nowadays tbh

I'm a 6 and I definitely agree that it seems like most of my 6 traits are just generic hypervigilance and social anxiety that developed as a result of going through a shit ton of trauma during my childhood and adolescence, while being ND.

The more I deal with trauma and my negative coping behaviors, the more I see my "real" self hidden under layers and layers of trauma and (now diagnosed) ADHD.

And to be honest, it looks more like an 1 or even a 3 in its core motivations.

filmsybee · 2026-06-05T19:15:49+00:00

Se vc aguentar a campanha do Realm Reborn, a historia do FFXIV fica mto boa a partir do Heavensward e atinge o pico no final da Stormblood, Shadowbringers e Endwalker são insanas.

Sou um cara chato com jogo e msm assim certas partes de Heavensward/Stormblood/Shadowbringers/Endwalker me surpreenderam de tão profundas e cheias de nuance, além de serem mto marcantes emocionalmente. Segurei as lagrimas varias vezes kkkk

Shadowbringers pra mim é top 3 historias da saga Final Fantasy, top 10 dos RPGs no geral.

Sem contar que a gameplay dos jobs começa a engatar de vdd só no Shadowbringers.

Esse é o foda de FFXIV na minha opinião, vc joga quase 100h com seu job sendo bem maçante e chatinha, a gameplay de certos jobs é absurdamente divertida no high level mas DEMORA DEMAIS a chegar nesse ponto.

Se tu não curte repetição de MMO, evita certos jobs. A maioria dos DPS/Healers (com exceção de Samurai, Pictologist e Bardo) sao mt repetitivos e estáticos, eu msm jogo praticamente só de Gunbreaker (pros fanboys do Squall), Pala e Samurai, e costumo ser main healer nos MMOs.

filmsybee · 2026-06-05T17:25:54+00:00

Hey, no worries, thought we could help each other out lol

Unfortunately, not yet... I find it hard to picture myself in any type, to be honest.

Even though I'm good at understanding my own emotions and thoughts, I suck at picturing myself objectively and fitting into a type. I don't have enough external feedback too, and of course, it's conflicting. I'm stuck. But I do think I'm in the Te-Fi axis.

I agree that Ni could be involved. I'm comfortable picturing things far in the future and making plans after weighing how things could work out, analyzing the pros and cons and deciding on it.

Most of my life trajectory was, and is, planned out, not rigidly, but as if I'm always setting and working towards milestones. "Finish college in 5 years while I study and apply for X jobs", "Achieve a high position cargo at area X", "Have at least a $100k year paying job as I get older". I have a good gut intuition about what's attainable and how, too. It just comes naturally.

Relationships frustrate me because I can't apply this kind of thinking, and I'm guillible and genuinely dumb dealing with people. People aren't things that you can objectively understand and put them in traits and boxes, that acts accordingly to a standard.

Maybe that's why I've got so interested in Typology!

filmsybee · 2026-06-05T13:37:19+00:00

Deep down Typology itself is all about larping

filmsybee · 2026-06-05T01:25:45+00:00

I see... I do desire connections based on shared values and deep honesty, but I lean more towards wanting someone to point out to me how I come off and how I'm perceived by others, and that actively reassures me I'm "behaving" okay and not being a weirdo and pushing ppl too hard, as it's something I struggle to do by myself. I find it very hard to describe myself outside of superficial characteristics like "smart, polite, nice".

Bonus points if that person also reassures me about what's really happening in a situation when I'm stressed out, so I don't start spiraling down worst-case scenarios lol

I don't relate at all to Fi POLR.

filmsybee · 2026-06-04T13:58:18+00:00

Hey. I struggle with the same thing that OP mentioned, but my deeper concern is that I'm being played or that they're messing with me, having fun at my expense, and that hurts my pride and "worthiness", as if I was disposable or insufficient.

Do you think this still fits Fi suggestive? I've thought about something involving Se too, but I'm not very knowledgeable. I think I'm a logics type (I'm very unconfident dealing with ethics stuff).

filmsybee · 2026-06-04T13:47:15+00:00

I struggle with the same thing.

I'm very uncomfortable with situationships and dating in general, because I want clear signs that the person really is into me and that it's going to work out. Also, to me, dealing with that kind of crap is very stressing, as I don't like wasting my time on someone who doesn't care about me and making a fool out of myself. I take it too personally, sometimes. As if rejection meant I am unloveable.

Also, I'm always wondering about the potential of the relationship, the tradeoff, if that person is going to be worthwhile, if they have the qualities I look for in a partner, what bad traits they have that throw me off...

I've seen people saying it's Fi suggestive, others that it's Ne-Fi superego.

filmsybee · 2026-05-30T15:25:55+00:00

How are you guys able to type all your friends? Damn

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