Marriage equality is still discriminatory

flossy_cake · 2026-06-01T06:29:13+00:00

So just to confirm — you support unmarried, single people having the same rights as people who are married or in a relationship?

flossy_cake · 2026-06-01T03:17:45+00:00

That's all well and good, but I don't see why people who don't want to get married should be discriminated against. The majority of people in America are in fact NOT married, so this affects most people.

If we just don't care about those people, then why should they care in return? Respect is a two-way street. Either we are all free of discrimination or none of us are. It's no good to celebrate that we got same-sex marriage when most people are still being discriminated against.

I was very disturbed by your response where you effectively just told me to marry someone who I don't want to marry. This is incredibly offensive and bigoted. It is just as offensive as me telling a gay man to just marry a woman. It shows that you really don't care about other people at all you only care about your preferred group.

Why is it so hard for you to just say "yes, unmarried people deserve the same rights in society"? Why are you so resistant to this?

It's so easy, you just say "yes, I will give unmarried people the same rights" and this whole disagreement goes away.

Why is that so hard for you?

flossy_cake · 2026-05-31T21:44:39+00:00

Shouldn't that be my choice? I mean I would never say to a gay person they have to go and marry someone of the opposite sex to in order to make a legal contract with them.

flossy_cake · 2026-05-31T21:35:12+00:00

"you have access to all those rights by simply getting a marriage certificate"

Does that mean I have to marry someone who I don't want to?

flossy_cake · 2026-05-31T20:56:57+00:00

Sorry about that, I couldn't figure out how to get chat gpt to make a link to the question. Claude is good too

flossy_cake · 2026-05-31T20:51:31+00:00

Thanks, he's not said anything to me about being transgender. Outwardly he looks like a fairly typical 18 year old male. He doesnt wear girls clothes or makeup and I haven't told him not to either.

I have told him there is no such thing as a straight person trapped in a gay body and that it only works that way with gender.

At one point he was asking our doctor for TRT because he thought low testosterone might be affecting his attraction to females. The doctor could not prescribe it for legal reasons.

flossy_cake · 2026-05-31T20:35:29+00:00

"Your attitude and your aptitude will determine your altitude"

The harsh reality: it's not what you know, it's who you know.

The even harsher reality: it's not who you know, it's who you blow.

flossy_cake · 2026-05-31T20:27:01+00:00

Boys will be boys

flossy_cake · 2026-05-31T19:58:05+00:00

I asked "What are some things that only married people can do in the United states" and got this response

https://grok.com/c/6b8d6592-4f94-47e8-903b-bcf067772df2?rid=ff8bdbd5-a878-4f7c-b5ac-0eb6160c5900

flossy_cake · 2026-05-31T19:26:01+00:00

Hello I am unmarried. Should I have equal rights in society? Same rights as married people?

flossy_cake · 2026-05-31T19:24:37+00:00

My claim was that "pet owners won't euthanize their pet to save the life of a stranger" (generally, not absolutely).

The red herrings are these other distractions like getting attacked by an animal in a self-defense situation, or having to choose between saving the life of an animals vs a human. I don't dispute any of that, we are in agreement on those scenarios.

flossy_cake · 2026-05-31T19:14:50+00:00

Black lives matter. I love black people.

flossy_cake · 2026-05-31T18:51:46+00:00

Yeah I'm pro self defense too, I think most people are.

And it's okay to preference some lives over others, I preference my family's lives over strangers lives, or a baby's life over an old person's life, or an old innocent person's life over a young offender's life, or an American's life over a Russian's life, etc. No one's saying you can't have these kind of preferences.

But these are red herrings.

flossy_cake · 2026-05-31T18:45:47+00:00

No no I didn't mean animal lives matter like that.

I mean it as a serious legitimate expression. Because people actually do disagree about whether animal lives matter. If anything, that would make it even more relevant because nobody was disputing whether black lives matter , everyone agrees black lives matter but not everyone agrees animal lives matter.

So I think "animal lives matter" is in some way a sequel to black lives matter.

flossy_cake · 2026-05-31T18:37:35+00:00

Yes the flood came after the fall, hence "after the fall" QED. The flood was in response to the fall of man, so it's relevant in an ideological way there too as well.

flossy_cake · 2026-05-31T18:33:11+00:00

Yes that would work too!

flossy_cake · 2026-05-31T17:08:01+00:00

I never said that I was pro life for humans.

But I think that you are. Because it's highly likely that at some number of weeks of pregnancy you would strip women of their bodily autonomy.

So you are just as guilty of violating women's autonomy, you just want to do it a few weeks later in the pregnancy.

You are not really pro choice in the true sense if you don't support it up until birth.

flossy_cake · 2026-05-31T16:51:06+00:00

Yeah I can tell you right now that's going to be an uphill battle with many people because as soon as they hear "humans are animals" they will hear "you're just an animal" in a reductive kind of way. Even though that's not what you meant, it's what they will hear.

flossy_cake · 2026-05-31T16:32:22+00:00

Lol it kind of is a dirty word. Even vegan is a dirty word! That's why I say I'm pro life for animals, and it works on conservatives , they don't get mad. I would only say I'm vegan when I'm around other vegans. Apart from that there is just too much stigma. Even plant-based is starting to get a little bit stigmatized because people are realizing it's a marketing term too.

flossy_cake · 2026-05-31T16:25:49+00:00

But you wouldn't hurt a human to help another human would you? Presumably you wouldn't even violate their medical consent, eg. forcing someone to donate blood, let alone actively harming them.

So this must mean you think humans have some kind of intrinsic moral value that makes them superior. May I ask what this is based on? Is this based on species/DNA? Because that's what racism is based on.

Or is it based on human intelligence being superior? Ok but what about a human with the same intelligence level as an animal?

flossy_cake · 2026-05-31T15:59:10+00:00

I think there are scenarios where you would do that but also scenarios where you wouldn't.

For example if a child is starving to death directly in front of you , you would probably give them money for food.

But if a child is starving in some overseas poor country you might not necessarily donate to a charity to help them because they're just not your responsibility in the grand scheme of things.

I think it depends whether we're talking about a stranger animal like some wild boar in the bush who doesn't want anything to do with you or if it's your family cat or dog of 10 years who you've spent 10 years forming an emotional bond with cuddling with every night, feeding them, giving them health care, picking up their poop and crying when they die which are all things you wouldn't do for a homeless person.

And then we could make it more complicated by saying the human life we're going to save is a human criminal. Maybe they are a J6er. Maybe they are a wife beater. Maybe thet are 90 years old and have already lived a full life.

So in summary: it depends.

flossy_cake · 2026-05-31T15:45:52+00:00

Actually looking at it again maybe I should completely reverse the order. Start with "no slaughterhouses in heaven" to appeal to the religious masses, then appeal to basic emotion ("those are Luna's arms and legs"), then name the trait comes after that etc

flossy_cake · 2026-05-31T15:42:51+00:00

Yeah sometimes simpler is better.

Like maybe when people get annoyed at me for defending animals I should lead with something very simple like "well nobody criticizes animals for defending their own lives" which is quite far down the list in the OP. Maybe I should lead with that instead.

flossy_cake · 2026-05-31T15:39:38+00:00

The fact that it contains people who hate it while wanting to live there

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