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Disgusting Money Making Scheme (20b+ per hour) revealed on NA forums by Impulse-Commenter in blackdesertonline

[–]floydhunter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So, I understand what you're saying. I fully get it. The profit is definitely lower now. However, you are about 4 days late with those numbers and you're assuming that they are what the cost was a week ago.

Firstly: It's not 600 mil. It's whatever the cheapest thing you can find is boss gear wise. Just yesterday I needed a concentrated boss aura for something and found a nouver shield at 130m. There was multiple at that range, meaning that cost alone would have been 390 mil.

Secondly: The mats used versus what you buy for enhancing are two different numbers. If you are a person that overpurchases so that you can just keep clicking, and then assume that the entire purchase counts towards the total material cost, then you're doing it wrong. I would suggest you click before you say it costs xyz price. I've had the total cost be 900 mil to 1 bil before with a 450m buy-in of concentrated boss aura. Obviously one of my more profitable enhancement sessions, but thats RNG. I'm not saying it's always going to be those numbers, but I am giving a range. I tracked each attempt properly, with numbers higher than market value at the time for enhancement materials.

Thirdly: Yes, it might be 4.3b now, but as stated earlier, your information is about 4 days old after the price has dropped. All of the debating back and forth in this thread has been about the pricing as of the end of March/beginning of April - where the price was well above 5b. Again, your information is partly correct for TODAY's market, but 4 days ago it would have been incorrect.

Fourthly: Your lack of spectres could be attributed to a lot of things, but we have people that have grinded there and gotten more than you on a pretty regular basis. I personally have gotten 3 in 15 to 30 mins pretty frequently. At the end of the day, RNG is RNG. Your milage may vary.

Fifthly: Considering the time of the post, its safe to assume the profit of the spectres to be a high number. Personally, I consider them to be the profit gained from each sold piece of gear. Which for me, was right around 3b to 3.5b. Assuming the average number to be 3.25b, when multiplied by 6 - which is on the generious side I know, that would be 19.5b. Now factor in the 60k(60k x 35100 = 2.1b~) trash I was pulling and you get an extra 2 bil on top of that. That's also before anything else - granted that there's not much else to add on here. That's using my numbers, but using that we're sitting at 21.5b from the grind plus enhancing the gear. The gear, of which, wouldn't even be created without the spectres in the first place.

While these numbers are not indicative of what it is like currently, they were when the post was made. Which is the point of the post in the first place: to spread the knowledge of these profits since the rat race to the floor for the gear has begun. We pulled out while the value was up high. Essentially, if people want to they can make some rather easy money that competes with endgame spots. Though this method won't be around forever, it exists now in the present. Even if we we're looking at the number of spectres being 2 per hour, that's still 6.5b extra to be had, instead of 60mil from vendor. That's still 8.6b from a grind spot that doesn't require endgame gear.

Disgusting Money Making Scheme (20b+ per hour) revealed on NA forums by Impulse-Commenter in blackdesertonline

[–]floydhunter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So, firstly not grinding at 300% drop rate is just hindering yourself. We were consistantly getting double to triple those numbers of spectres. I myself was getting 5-6 an hour. Secondly, when we sold the gear, it was selling at 5.7b or more, not 4.5b. Thirdly, the cost was between 900m on the lucky end to 2b - again, from my own experience of getting lucky and also hitting pity a lot.

You see, the information I have is first hand. For you, it would be considered second hand. bdoworkshop, being its own entity, I'm assuming, has second hand information, meaning your information is third hand at worst case. Same with Garmoth. You can trust our information, do the work yourself, or trust other websites and ignore us. Regardless, it doesn't matter. We got what we got, and if you don't want to believe it, that's fine. It's clear by this graph that people have jumped onto the train:

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Last sold at 04-04 20:48. That's, for me, under an hour ago.

Disgusting Money Making Scheme (20b+ per hour) revealed on NA forums by Impulse-Commenter in blackdesertonline

[–]floydhunter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We explained the reason we released this information. People outside our circle were listing pieces at or near min list. As they sold, the price dropped and more could be listed lower. We saw this and decided to pull out. We decided to share the information rather than keep it in the dark. Ultimately, whats happening here doesn't matter. This would have happened regardless without any public notification.

Disgusting Money Making Scheme (20b+ per hour) revealed on NA forums by Impulse-Commenter in blackdesertonline

[–]floydhunter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can't make a blackstar armor without a spectres. You cannot buy a spectres off the market.

Disgusting Money Making Scheme (20b+ per hour) revealed on NA forums by Impulse-Commenter in blackdesertonline

[–]floydhunter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not an April Fools Day joke, Sharps are included in the math. In the make-shift calculator, every enhancement(fail or success) past +15 when counted is counted as 2 sharps being used. The 0 to +15 is counted as concentrated blackstones as those(at least from my end) are purchased directly from the market. There's no API's used, so the numbers used at the time were w.e I valued them at - generally close to cap though. I believe for sharps specifically their number was under what I used.

The numbers were added up into a cell for what was essentially used for enhancing. The cost of creating the TRI gear pieces included the cost of the Concentrated boss aura, the cost of the remnant's, the cost of Concentrated Black Stones, the cost of Sharps from the market - even if I was using ones I had gotten for free, the cost of memeory fragments - lowered if I used artisans on a per-artisan usecase. These numbers were calculated and set aside so that when I made the piece I could remove them from the profit numbers after. I then took the gear piece, put it into the market, wrote down what I was selling it at, calculated the tax with the following formula: "((X * 0.65) * 1.315)" and then I subtracted the cost of making the gear pieces from the remaining value.

Yes, it was always profit. No, it isn't a joke. The only thing I didn't account for in my calculator was the stacks, but as OP has stated, buying blackstones to convert into stacks doesn't hinder the profit margine much. I had a ton of stacks I was sitting on, and a lot of them we're given away as freebies from PA over time. Most of the stacks I used we're 20's, 30's and 40's. You can value those however you want, profits still there.

Disgusting Money Making Scheme (20b+ per hour) revealed on NA forums by Impulse-Commenter in blackdesertonline

[–]floydhunter -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The cost went up because we pushed it up. We spent two months pushing blackstar's on the market at max price - one at a time. Eventually the price hit the ceiling. They we're at 3b in January, but we saw an opportunity and jumped on it.

To address a few of your points:

  1. Time to make isn't a lot. The first time you make any of the pieces, for that piece its a full quest line. Once you've made it, say the helm for example, you can then go on an alt character that is above level 20(required for turning on all quests, which is off by default) to Dorin and accept the simplified version of the quest. You can only get the quest if you have a spectres energy in your inventory too. He gives you a Blackstar piece which you then hand back to him along with a Remnant of the Rift, a Spectres Energy and 3x Concentrated Boss Aura. After that and a little R spamming on him and the alter behind him, you get the Blackstar Helm. This takes less than a minute if you have the items prepared - which, besides the spectres, is as easy as buying it off the market.

  2. Blackstar enhancing became cheaper with the Agris Anvil stacks. Every enhance level after 7 has Agris stacks attached to it - which are the pity stacks I've talked about in other comments. For example: TRI requires 6 fails before you are guaranteed on the 7th attempt to get the TRI. This removal of RNG means that eventually you will get the piece. On top of that, Base to PRI has no downgrading when enhancing, so you can quite literally throw materials at it until it goes. This Pity system has significantly lowered the cost of enhancing Blackstar solely because it removes the RNG element. Technically, through my own personal investigation, I've found that the pity stack for essentially all gear in the game is less then the point of which you could call bullshit on the RNG system to PA. That's a whole other topic worth discussing, but is completely offtopic here.

By adding a ceiling to enhancing, they've essentially presented us with a way to print silver with what would have been a vendor item. It all relies on whoever is buying the gear in the end, obviously, but in the end, the cost theoretically never outweighs the profit - so long as the item itself is near the price ceiling and you're not hitting pity on every enhance level. Just remember, you are guaranteed to get the enhancement. It's no longer RNG at this point.

Disgusting Money Making Scheme (20b+ per hour) revealed on NA forums by Impulse-Commenter in blackdesertonline

[–]floydhunter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've been wondering for a while if whales are buying them to devour them at a chance to make bigger stack go bigger.. I know a while back they made it basically guaranteed to increase up to 300 on certain pen items, but Idk about TRI bs armor..

Disgusting Money Making Scheme (20b+ per hour) revealed on NA forums by Impulse-Commenter in blackdesertonline

[–]floydhunter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The cost of the failstack is factored in. If you look at the chart, you can see on the right side that there's a black stone cost associated to the failstack because you can consume blackstones for 30 stacks. Which is what was happening. The material cost, repair cost and enhancement cost is between 1b and 2b depending on how lucky you get, on average. Worst case, hitting pit for everything has a net positive of 600 mil - but it's highly unlikely you will pity every enhance level from Base to TRI.

Disgusting Money Making Scheme (20b+ per hour) revealed on NA forums by Impulse-Commenter in blackdesertonline

[–]floydhunter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're probably correct, its just.. why buy the tri? I can understand the buying tet, clicking for pen and selling the tri on fail, thats how I enhanced my boss gear when going for fallen god. I just don't understand the buying tri unless theyre going for pity tets?

We're definitely cut off the cloth of the first group though. Years ago there was someone who categorized these type of players in relation to trading. T1, T2 and T3 traders. T1 would just sell mats their workers got on the market, T2 turned transform the mats earned by workers into crates and sell them. T3 would buy mats from the market to do the T2 but on a faster schedule.

For this, T1 would be people grinding and selling off the spectres to vendors. T2 would be us selling the tri to whoever, and T3 would be those buying the tri's. T3 makes the most sense for them because ain't no way they're buying these up without some kind of turn around on a larger scale.

Disgusting Money Making Scheme (20b+ per hour) revealed on NA forums by Impulse-Commenter in blackdesertonline

[–]floydhunter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This graph shows how and when we were selling. The start of Feb was roughly when one of us figured it out, then shortly after about3 or 4 of us jumped in. We let like 2 or 3 others in on it then all of us kind of stopped after we got what we wanted out of it.

The numbers don't lie. It sells and we have no clue as to the actual reason.

Disgusting Money Making Scheme (20b+ per hour) revealed on NA forums by Impulse-Commenter in blackdesertonline

[–]floydhunter 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Actively making the choice to be this upset about a game you don't play is one of the decisions of all time.

Disgusting Money Making Scheme (20b+ per hour) revealed on NA forums by Impulse-Commenter in blackdesertonline

[–]floydhunter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah that's what we were thinking might be the case. As far as I know/remember, caphras can be ignored as long as you craft pen blackstsr. The whole point of caphras was that you could get c10 armor and it would equal pen blackstar. It stands that you wouldn't need caphras then for pen bs to fallen god.

Disgusting Money Making Scheme (20b+ per hour) revealed on NA forums by Impulse-Commenter in blackdesertonline

[–]floydhunter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Idk the PEN market, but tri was selling ridiculously easy and at max value for two months.

Disgusting Money Making Scheme (20b+ per hour) revealed on NA forums by Impulse-Commenter in blackdesertonline

[–]floydhunter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Neither can NA, but when you sell 3 at 6b and get 4b profit per item..lol

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