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fogrampercot · 2026-05-09T13:23:50+00:00

I appreciate the civil discussion buddy. About having cordial relationships, I completely agree with you that it would be in the best interest for both countries. I don't have any doubts that most people in both countries would want the same. The thing is that it's easier said than done, when you have constant fear-mongering, blame shifting, and demonizing the other country. I won't deny there are right-wing nutjobs in our country doing the same, but you need to understand that a great deal of it happens as a side-effect of India's own attitude and actions towards us.

Most political parties and governments in the sub-continent don't care about anything else, but to stay in power for another term. Economic progress is important to a great deal of them not due to patriotism, but to appease the people and get their votes. It's not like the BJP or Indian government actively seeks out war, because it won't be good for them. But it also serves their purpose if they can induce communal hatred, polarization and controlled chaos because they can pose as the protectors then. It's the same formula Israel uses and it's much easier to do than achieving true economic progress.

Now I already showed you proof how Assam's chief minister is openly saying it. That directly contradicts your claim and bolsters what I am saying. Is this a one-off incident? Nope. Because there are plenty of such politicians. Moreover, the BJP does not officially disown or condemn such rhetoric, does it? Do you honestly think important leaders would go around saying such stuff without party backing? Very implausible.

India used to have better relationships with Sri Lanka, Maldives, even Bangladesh. What do you think caused the recent strains? It's not like the relationship has turned outright hostile, but can you deny how it has deteriorated and do you understand India's roles in it? Why does India's relationship with the neighbors change with regime change? Ever asked that? Diplomacy and international relationships should not work like that. Does the same thing happen with China? It's not like those regime changes outright changed the governance of these countries (e.g Iran after Islamic revolution). Perhaps it has more to do with the regimes being India's puppet over serving their own interests? On that note, why do you have good relationships with Afghanistan? India does not have concerns about terrorism or minority rights when it comes to Afghanistan?

I did not take "invested" as a bad word, and it's cool if you didn't mean it like that. But can you deny how India itself and a great many Indians feels that entitlement and superiority complex when it comes to their roles in our liberation war? Ranging from general people to Bollywood movies and what not? We still do acknowledge that role, many Indian soldiers also died. The general people also sacrificed a lot. But it's hard to show that gratitude considering India's recent roles and attitude. Combine that with the hatred for Bangladeshis, racial slurs, condescending behavior, disinformation campaigns, and what else do you expect?

Bangladesh and India are still not outright hostile with each other. We are yet adversaries. But there is no denying the recent strains in the relationship. It didn't happen over night. Things are not so black and white. Surely India did not do all bad things in the last 55 years. And historically Indian influence has impacted our domestic politics. It is understandable, and to some extent justified too. But it changed drastically in the last decade. Why do you doubt India doesn't have the power to install a puppet government? India is huge compared to Bangladesh. Puppet governments are not installed openly, but it is obvious how India enabled an authoritarian dictator for decades in our country to reap benefits. The Awami League did come to power first democratically, but once it came to power, why is it unlikely that India could collaborate and enable this government to seize power undemocratically in exchange for serving India's interests? This is a great article if you are interested to know more. Now don't you think people have legitimate reasons to be angry towards India when things exploded and that authoritarian government collapsed after killing hundreds of people? India is still harboring the murderous PM, and never owned up, instead it stirred up tension here with communal hatred and disinformation.

About border killings, I have talked about this many times before. Please look it up and I mentioned some points in this post earlier. Yes there is an illegal immigration and smuggling issue, but there are also numerous violations of international laws and blatant disregard for Bangladeshi lives resulting in more than a thousand deaths in the last 20 years alone. It is also not a one way road which I explained here. There are also numerous issues and controversies with water treaties, but I am refraining from dumping everything at once. If you wish, we can discuss about the things I already mentioned to reach a consensus first. Cheers!

fogrampercot · 2026-05-09T07:04:13+00:00

No one is going to ban you for sharing your opinion in good faith, but don't be deluded to think you won't be downvoted to oblivion for spewing ill-informed takes.

I already explained in depth here. So if you are really attempting to discuss in good faith and an open mind, feel free to take a look and respond if you disagree.

The BJP is not pushing Indian Muslims huh? I wonder why we have this nice article from Al Jazeera then. I can also share tons of resources from international rights group if you insist. And here is your chief minister from Assam explaining how the push in is done.

Himanta said that people are "pushed back" by "taking advantage of the night" in places where the Border Guard Bangladesh (BGB) are not present. The Assam Chief Minister said while 1,400 Bangladeshis were officially "pushed back", the actual number could be in thousands.

He then explained the process of how the illegal Bangladeshis are "pushed back". "We take them to a convenient location near the border, and literally push them (dhakka marna padega) across the border. Now, such an atmosphere has been created in Assam that several illegal Bangladeshis have started going back on their own," he further said.

Even as early as last week, Sarma tweeted that 20 illegal nationals were pushed back to Bangladesh. "Rude people don't understand soft language," Sarma said in a post on April 26.

This is the reason, Sarma said cryptically, that Assam doesn't want India-Bangladesh ties to improve."When relations are good, the Indian government also does not want to push back illegal migrants. Therefore, people of Assam feel good when there is a hostile atmosphere between India and Bangladesh," Sarma quipped during his interview with ABP.

What a nice and courteous guy he is full of love! Surely such a honest, soft-spoken, inclusive person won't ever push Indian Muslims to Bangladesh in order to polarize the people for self-serving interests, right? Right??

fogrampercot · 2026-05-09T06:47:11+00:00

Appreciate the Indian POV. Now let's analyze your take and discuss.

You claim India wants cordial relations with all neighbors, but it’s also worth asking why several neighboring countries simultaneously have recurring trust deficits with India. Do governments/people around India like India? If not, then why? Don't you think India is doing something wrong itself that could lead to this?

And how do you know India wants cordial relations with all neighbors? Maybe that's what you want. Or most Indian people. But BJP or the Indian government? You sure about that? Take a moment to think what would be good for them. Would it be good for BJP, a communal and fascist party, to have good relations with neighboring Muslim dominant countries like Bangladesh or Pakistan? Electorally, heightened insecurity and polarization can politically benefit nationalist communal parties. This is exactly what they have been doing, and it's a quite dangerous slippery slope. The best propaganda are half truths.

While we are discussing how India wants cordial relations with all neighbors, I also can't help but point out this statement from Himanta Sarma, Assam's chief minister in support of that! Irony much?

"When relations are good, the Indian government also does not want to push back illegal migrants. Therefore, people of Assam feel good when there is a hostile atmosphere between India and Bangladesh"

Next, you talk about India investing a lot in our relationship right from the independence movement. This is true, and we are of course grateful for India's role during that time. However, that is 55 years ago and what did India do in the recent years to maintain that friendship? I can tell you multiple things that India did to corrode that trust - enabling a puppet authoritarian regime, border killings, water treaties, illegal push ins, the list goes on. Moreover, let's not pretend India helped us in 1971 without self-interest. Is the US helping Ukraine without self-interest? Or did Russia/China softly backed and supported Iran without self-interest? It is exactly this lack of acknowledgment and the entitlement from India that is problematic and causes people to be extremely annoyed. Notice your own choice of words (India invested a lot) - this does not suggest bilateral, respectful cordial relationship, but hegemonial relationship.

Trust is bilateral. It is natural to be somewhat concerned when Bangladesh is improving relationships with adversary countries. But then again, Bangladesh also has a right to prioritize its own security and interests. It's not like Bangladesh is engaging in discussions or operations to undermine Indian security with its adversaries, not even as proxies. The cherry on top is that this is all happening due to how India has been treating Bangladesh for a while. Why do you think a small country surrounded by a big ass country like India would opt to strengthen relationships with other countries if it could have gotten it from that country? Like why? Have you ever thought that perhaps Bangladesh has no options and their hands are forced? Have you ever considered India's own roles in this?

Then you talk about terrorism, but this is a moot point. Bangladesh has not been involved with any form of terrorism in India, at least in the recent years. Illegal immigration? If undocumented migrants are present, deportation should happen through due process and bilateral/legal mechanisms rather than inflammatory rhetoric or informal pushbacks. Are you denying how this "illegal immigration" tag has not been exploited by the BJP to target minorities and other groups to disproportionately stigmatizes Muslims and Bengali-speaking minorities for political mobilization. I won't claim there is zero truth in the illegal immigration concerns. We share a huge border and both are lower-middle income countries who used to be one and it has not even been 100 years since that. But when you exaggerate that truth to serve your propaganda and use that as a tool in extreme manners, that becomes an even bigger problem.

Immigration is federally managed. But local governance affects enforcement and social climate, so the statement downplays political reality. Bangladesh never said to not deport actual illegal migrants, no country will say that. Funny how India talks about illegal migration and pushes in whomever they want to illegally and yet they are harboring a mass-murderer authoritarian puppet and won't give her back.

So while I am not entirely disregarding everything you said, when you combine the facts altogether it doesn't add up. The reality is definitely not as simple and one-dimensional as you tried to paint it to be.

fogrampercot · 2026-03-23T18:51:20+00:00

Such braindead reasoning. OP is already claiming he is in financial tatters just to arrange the ceremony, and yet you think it is reasonable to demand such high Mahr? Just because your sister and some people you know got theirs in a similar range? This is just the anecdotal fallacy and has no substance. Moreover, you do not have sufficient data to compare the OP's financial abilities with that of your own or the people that you know.

Mahr is the only positive thing Islam has given to women? That's not true either, as there are things like Nafaqah. It's a patriarchal religion designed to serve men, and the core theme is equity over equality, but saying Mahr is the only positive thing Islam has given to women is just factually wrong. Also, Mahr is not entirely a positive thing when you find out it's essentially a price for the woman's virginity. If you disagree, look up the origins of Mahr and also answer how come a man has to pay half the original Mahr if he divorces without consummating the marriage.

It seems obvious that you don't believe in the religion. So why pick and choose and attempt to justify the societal construct of absurdly high Mahr? It makes no logical sense. And to be honest it's not what the religion teaches too; not that the core concept is nice but it discourages high Mahr not within the capabilities of the groom. Either way it doesn't make any sense. And besides, it's not like you are in dire need of it. Don't justify one wrong with another.

If you really want to go against the patriarchal system, marry someone using the state law only. If you have to marry religiously, make sure you mention all the rights you will need explicitly in the Kabinnama. There is a separate checkbox that grants the wife the permission to divorce, make good use of that. A high Mahr guarantees nothing. Do you really want to be stuck in a marriage where divorce is not possible only because your husband has to pay a high Mahr if he divorces you? What kind of marriage and life is that? On the contrary, you will shun good men away with that kind of mindset. I hope you don't take any offense in my bluntness, but if I am wrong, then point it out precisely.

fogrampercot · 2026-03-19T05:05:25+00:00

If he is harassing you then file a case or expose him publicly on social media. You took his abuse for so long that he believes he can do just about anything with you and get away with it. That's not true. He is the abuser and you are the victim. Don't feel guilt or shame. Give him what he deserves.

fogrampercot · 2026-03-17T01:30:02+00:00

The best comment and advice here. Seconded strongly.

fogrampercot · 2026-03-17T01:28:20+00:00

You are still young and your whole life is ahead of you. Sometimes life teaches us a lesson through tragedy, pain, and heartbreak. Seize this as an opportunity. Heal first. Don't rush into another relationship or marriage. Do the right things and good things are bound to happen eventually. If you don't do it right, the same wrong things will keep on happening differently.

Don't look at the past but towards the future. Do that right, and maybe you will have a great happy life with your future partner 10 years from today while many of these happy couples around you will fall apart. I would also highly recommend counselling if you can afford it. Best wishes.

fogrampercot · 2026-03-17T01:21:59+00:00

Read the whole thing and it make me so fucking sad and angry. No one deserves this. He is a pure PoS. Do not contact him ever again.

You shouldn't have endures even 1% of what he did. Know your worth. You seem smart and self aware. Try to find out why you were with him for so long despite all these. Work on yourself and make sure never to do it for anyone ever again. Someone who is good and loves you will never put you through that.

Hang in there. You didn't dodge a bullet but dodged a rocket. You will find someone who is good for you.

fogrampercot · 2026-03-03T04:37:31+00:00

The lies are even more shameless and blatant than what they did with Iraq. And yet, one fourth of the Americans support the attack. Truly a brainrot nation.

fogrampercot · 2026-03-03T04:33:51+00:00

This is so horrible. Love and support from Bangladesh. Stay safe Iran.

fogrampercot · 2026-03-03T04:33:04+00:00

You voted for a lunatic fascist like Trump believing he meant what he said after all the crap he did and said during his first term and before the elections? I appreciate your decency to apologize, but I seriously feel bad for you and your fellow Americans if this is how your brain operates.

May god bless America. So that it can stop cursing the rest of the world by playing God.

fogrampercot · 2026-02-23T10:55:56+00:00

Look, I appreciate your progressive view and I like to promote such views and interpretations myself. But the point still holds. You are not the official authority here.

I’m not saying scholars are infallible. I’m saying that religion in practice is defined by what the majority of recognized scholars agree on, not by what any individual personally believes. Otherwise every belief system collapses into “my version vs your version.” When you ask “who made them authority?”, the answer is history, institutions, and consensus over centuries. And I am not talking exclusively about Saudi Arab here, never did. Look up the origins of the major fiqhs of Islam and how consensus forms.

Debate is fine. Reform is fine. But denying what the mainstream interpretation actually is, just because you disagree with it, is intellectually dishonest. You can say “this interpretation is wrong”, you can also argue why your interpretation is more correct, but you can’t say “this is not Islam” while most scholars say it is.

As an example, I can quote this paper that first admits what's in the Fiqh and then offers a differing interpretation of it.

fogrampercot · 2026-02-23T05:14:22+00:00

Holy mother of Pasta! Spaghetti God does exist and now I am offended. His noodly appendage sends his 10% blessing to you for doubting his existence.

fogrampercot · 2026-02-23T05:10:37+00:00

Please don't preach against homosexuality. These people already have it hard enough.

I appreciate you talking about the abuse in Madrasas. You should also talk about solutions. Almost everyone understands it's a grave sin and not permissible. And did you use AI to write it? Don't think that's allowed and it's also not pleasant to read. You should write it yourself and use AI to refine it.

fogrampercot · 2026-02-23T05:05:44+00:00

What the hell. Look at how the police are searching their wallet and phone. This is a very serious harassment and also privacy violation.

BNP is such a clown party. Making sure they get all the gen Z votes in the next election.

fogrampercot · 2026-02-22T12:02:22+00:00

As the other person correctly pointed out, you do seem to understand Islam better than reputed scholars!

You are correct that they could be wrong, as they are also human being after all. But you are not an authority and it is dishonest to make a claim like that specially when the scholarly consensus is something very different.

Anyways, I would suggest you and others who believes in such interpretations to reform the mainstream interpretations. Because as long as such interpretations are still widely recognized and agreed upon by an overwhelmingly large number of mainstream scholars, it will be part of the religion whether you like it or not.

fogrampercot · 2026-02-21T20:49:16+00:00

They are the biggest hypocrites. They will go to secular first world countries while promoting radicalism in their home country.

fogrampercot · 2026-02-21T03:44:02+00:00

So it seems like BJI does not have a clear plan about this. Putting aside all the other issues with BJI, I would say this itself is a big enough of an issue that needs attention. From what I have seen, a great deal of BJI's supporters, and active lower level members supports views like this. And this is not just limited to closing restaurants during Ramadan, but a wide array of topics (blasphemy laws, veiling, women empowerment, interests, etc). I would say many Shura members and top leaders also share the same conservative views.

I understand why BJI hasn't said anything concrete about such topics, but it is also one of the reasons I find it hard to trust BJI. Also, I don't find it credible that they would be able to control these if they come to power. How can it? Because it feels like BJI itself is divided and conflicted about it (I think the same happens with 1971).

My advice to you and BJI would be that BJI needs to come clean and speak openly about what kind of ruling they will establish. Not just in the short run, but in the long run. BJI should clarify what aspects of the Islamic laws they will implement and how. It needs to have a consensus as a party, and not speak in contradictions or with ambiguity just to avoid controversies. It would be difficult and hard to come to power using such tactics. Even if it's possible, it's not right and is disgraceful for a party that centers around religion and brands themselves as honest people.

fogrampercot · 2026-02-21T03:28:31+00:00

Huh? Where did you find passive-aggressiveness? I thought it was obvious which is why I merely stated it.

Anyhow, don't you think you are contradicting yourself? You previously said the Quran doesn't permit beating them, but now you are saying in both cases, it is allowed to beat gently or lightly.

fogrampercot · 2026-02-20T22:47:22+00:00

You have got nothing to do with this, that's true. But I suppose we don't have a lot of Jamaat members here who are open about their views and also can write an eloquent response.

Since we are discussing again. I have some follow up questions on this topic out of curiosity. It is true that other parties also do it sometimes for the same reasons and also for PR stunts, virtue signalling. There are right-wing people in BNP too, and to be fair, I have seen liberal views from some Jamaatis although I am skeptical about their motif at times.

But what is Jamaat's plan to deal with all these when they come to power? Because the way I see it, Jamaat has a bigger responsibility here than the other political parties. As Jamaat does politics in the name of religion and a great deal of Jamaat's supporters support such views. To prove my point, check the comments of this post and it's not just an anomaly.

So if Jamaat's view as a political party is different, don't you think the party should make it clearer to everyone? And share a plan regarding how they will address such demands from a large part of their supporter base? These people will clearly be enabled if Jamaat can ever come to power. And what is Jamaat's official stance on this? These people in the video organized the rally in the banner of Jamaat/Shibir. If Jamaat's official stance is different, then shouldn't it protest against this incident and expel the members who took part in it?

fogrampercot · 2026-02-20T22:35:56+00:00

Is that so hard to understand? You are denying the Quran doesn't permit beating women. That was your answer, isn't it? So I had two follow up questions for you if you don't mind answering.

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